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hero member
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Ad astra.
So, is that the question thats being asked by you guys.. the same one I am? "who would buy all these shares at 60% fee?" pretty much and what would they be used for?

Who cares?  Do you stand outside the casino asking everyone that goes in why they are going in when there is a known house advantage?

What would you say if I told you I did?
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.
So, is that the question thats being asked by you guys.. the same one I am? "who would buy all these shares at 60% fee?" pretty much and what would they be used for?

Who cares?  Do you stand outside the casino asking everyone that goes in why they are going in when there is a known house advantage?
legendary
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So, is that the question thats being asked by you guys.. the same one I am? "who would buy all these shares at 60% fee?" pretty much and what would they be used for?

I will note some strange behaviour I have seen on eclipsemc in the last couple weeks. Normally that pool is around 400gh
But when our luck got really low for many blocks in a row. Our hashrate shot up to 900gh for a little bit(like hours or a day) then when we hit some good blocks our hashrate went back to 400-500gh.

I wonder if this was gpumax purchased mining?
legendary
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BitMinter

Who is buying?  We do have some addicts. Smiley

There should be more addicts Grin thank you for your work !
hero member
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You and me both, but if you of all people don't know then i just give up the search

Oh dont give up. Someone knows the answer for sure, but I havent seen it posted yet. Please keep looking!

THose people suggesting buyers are gambling on prop pools.. even if you can time the purchase exactly right (which as I understand, you cant), its gotta be tough to break even on 160% PPS hopping a single pool. You might do that once in a while, but on average, nope.

Im sure some people will try anyway, and all the other reasons often mentioned like testing pools, boosting hashrate etc Im sure are all valid, but for heavens sake, we are apparently talking about more than 10% of the network hashrate here, and it doesnt look like Pirate is handling this as a short term hype that will quickly blow over when the novelty wears off. There is gotta be something else. I wonder if its somehow related to the "mystery miner"?

I guess we will find out one day - and then I will probably feel stupid for not seeing it before. I already do actually.
 Smiley

legendary
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Alright, after messing around w/ GPUmax more I think I understand it better now.
I still dont get why someone would want to buy shares at such a high rate though.
I assume 2 so far: With PPS mining through this site, the best setup would be, try to get higher PPS rate when your work leased out to public, if its not being leased, send work to a PPS pool, because sending to prop pool would be pointless, cuz prop return would be horrible if your miners are doin leased work most the time.

Also, Im guessing the whole point to purchasing shares, even at such a high rate, your willing to bet those shares against the luck of a given non pps pool...that way you have a chance to make a profit on those overpaidfor shares when the pool is really lucky. What sucks is , if the pool is really unlucky while mining it w/ your purchased shares, then you not only lose money in the overpaid pps rate, but also since luck would be low, you miss out on that too.
So, I understand the mining on this site. I just dont know why someone would pay such a high rate on PPS all for a gamble on luck in prop pools.
I mean sure its being able to mine w/o needing hardware, but @ current rate its at a loss.
So, whats the appeal in buying shares?
hero member
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FPGA Mining LLC

We have no shortage of purchases and with a few things "coming soon" the purchase volume is only going to increase.

You'll be receiving a letter from my agent to discuss the lack of licensing arrangements.  Until such arrangements are worked out, I must insist that you immediately cease and desist the use of that phrase.

Where is the "Like" button?  Grin
sr. member
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Im just curious as anyone whats being done with them and how that could make them worth 160% PPS to the buyer.

You and me both, but if you of all people don't know then i just give up the search
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.
I'm pretty sure both Bitcoin Mag and Butterfly Labs are already in court fighting over this Smiley

lulz
legendary
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All paid signature campaigns should be banned.
Is it OK if I use this:  coming soonTM
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.

We have no shortage of purchases and with a few things "coming soon" the purchase volume is only going to increase.

You'll be receiving a letter from my agent to discuss the lack of licensing arrangements.  Until such arrangements are worked out, I must insist that you immediately cease and desist the use of that phrase.
sr. member
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"Yes I am a pirate, 200 years too late."
If you are pushing around multiple TH as you seem to suggest, it should come as no surprise people are curious about who's buying and where its going.. thats a pretty significant chunk of the entire network and its a bit clouded in mystery right now.

Who is buying?  We do have some addicts. Smiley

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I know, and I wasnt even trying that, I was actually only looking for increases at the approved pools, to see where they ended up, and couldnt find a lot. 

The approved pool list is a bit outdated as well.  I'll get it updated, we're always testing new pools, capable speeds and it get's tedious to keep updated.

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Looking forward to seeing on the site where the hashes are being sent to; Im just curious as anyone whats being done with them and how that could make them worth 160% PPS to the buyer.

We have no shortage of purchases and with a few things "coming soon" the purchase volume is only going to increase.

I know some people want more information and it seems to be clouded in mystery but I'm confident that within the next month everyone will see the big picture and we can all just sit back and enjoy.

hero member
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I have to say that I'm always impressed with the lengths our community will go to find out all kinds of statistical data

If you are pushing around multiple TH as you seem to suggest, it should come as no surprise people are curious about who's buying and where its going.. thats a pretty significant chunk of the entire network and its a bit clouded in mystery right now.

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I can tell you that we've gained the attention of some very large miners that need no pool to be profitable.  So even if you could gather all the information on every pool it would be hard to determine a total.

I know, and I wasnt even trying that, I was actually only looking for increases at the approved pools, to see where they ended up, and couldnt find a lot. 

Looking forward to seeing on the site where the hashes are being sent to; Im just curious as anyone whats being done with them and how that could make them worth 160% PPS to the buyer.
sr. member
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"Yes I am a pirate, 200 years too late."
sr. member
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It was fun to have GPUMAX working aggain. Sorry that that has ended :/

Diff. rised...
hero member
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GPUmax seems to be buying again nonstop atm, and has been for the past 8 or 12 hours. I dont know how many GH GPUmax controls, but its clearly in the 100s of GH, if not nearer 1TH.

The first post in this thread shows a list of approved pools where you can send hashes to if you buy them. We all wonder who is buying, but perhaps we can find out at least where they are being sent. I checked them all, one by one. Lets go over them:

Deepbit. It has no historical charts for hashrate that I can find, but its currently at 3.9 TH, which is roughly where it was yesterday.
Slush, no historical charts either, but atm down ~200GH compared to yesterday
BTC guild. No real change: https://www.btcguild.com/pool_chart.php
Ozcoin: down by 50 or so GH, perhaps more, but they had some downtime: https://ozco.in/content/hashrate
Arsbitcoin:  not sure, but compared to Organofcorti's analysis, down by 50+GH https://arsbitcoin.com/poolstats.php
Eclipse: no change: https://eclipsemc.com/graphs/historical_rate.php
Bitclockers: no change, slightly down perhaps but also had downtime: http://bitclockers.com/statistics
BTCmine: down ~50GH compared to yesterday : http://btcmine.com/stats/
Bitminter: down ~40-50GH compared to yesterday (no charts, but https://bitminter.com/livestats/big)

So almost all of them are down since gpumax became active again and miners are no longer mining on their private pools; ,
But best I can tell, none are really up either. So if those "lost" hashes from the above pools,  plus the hashes that come from pools that are not on that list,like Clipse and Goat, P2Pool, or whatever,  if they dont end up on any of those approved pools... where are they going?

Pirate, is that something you are willing to disclose, and if not, why not?


edit: shortly after writing this, gpumax seems to have stalled, and I notice deepbit is down ~400GH, slush is back up the 200GH it was missing earlier. Are they being sent to deepbit?
legendary
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Hey guys, I got the invite on this project a little while ago, and its concept still escapes me a bit.
I would like to dabble in offering up my mining at a set rate. I assume to do this is create a pool(the one I currently mine at w/ my current credentials) then a worker that points to that pool in gpumax interface. Then set the pps price if offering my work for other people on gpumax to purchase from right?
So, I dont know what to set my pps fee too, it seems pointless to set it lower than what going pps rate is cuz I could easily get that at a pool by mining there. But if I set it higher, noone will wanna buy my shares . . right?
So, I dont fully understand this =./

I bought some shares a while back @ .000055 or w/e and I havent put my btc in cuz .. I thought this was a ripoff, so its just sitting there not doing anything. I dont know how to put up a lower bid, it doesnt seem to offer option of changin purchase price when making purchase.

Anyways, if someone could jsut give me a good starting point for my mining and what to set share price @ for public work, any way to tell what the going rate avg is on the site itself? cuz its kinda hard doin it in the dark.
rjk
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1ngldh
While I do, in fact, want to purchase hashing power in this way, I have had the same sentiment as gmaxwell. There is a distinct possibility of an entity contracting for a majority of power. (through shell companies, and all kinds of obfuscation so no one noticed the consolidation even if the mining community is vigilant.

Other than this type of peer pressure, I'm not really sure that there's anyway to prevent it - consolidation is a natural process in the free market. Maybe general gentleman's agreement to not sell any one entity too much hash power at any one time is a good start?
Pools are validated as part of the process (can't just add any old pool and start mining).
hero member
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legendary
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No offense, but if you're buying shares on GPUMAX and sending them to PPS pools, you're kinda missing the point.

In any case, leave if you want, more BTC for the rest of us!
Derpbit offers proportional, btw.

Yeah, but he was specifically talking about PPS.

No offense, but if you're buying shares on GPUMAX and sending them to PPS pools, you're kinda missing the point.

But wherever else you send them, how can you achieve a positive ROI?

Since you cant time the purchases precisely (AFAIK), its rather useless for hopping. YOu might try hopping with purchased shares by sending them to your own proxy and hop from there, but aside from the stales I suspect that would cause, and your proxy that would have to withstand such massive spikes, AFAIK gpumax doesnt even let you send them to any pool other than the ones they approved. Even if you could, good luck getting >160% PPS from hopping these days.

So I guess Im missing the point too. Who is buying at 160% PPS and what for?


My guesses are private pools, volume testing (of mining proxies or whatnot) and sheer bets that a proportional pool will get lucky.

There is supposedly some secret reason that no one will reveal (see the thread a while back), but I have not managed to figure out what it is.


I have mined at gpumax with 40g for a while now.... 

I have made 7 separate purchases,   its fun
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