Topic: Greece and balkan europeans under attack by migrants, is this a Case for Nato? - page 2. (Read 314 times)

This is the point. Indifference! Europeans and NATO have blocked their ears for long calls. They did not perform both their military and financial duties. And they caused a great economic crisis and military damage to our country. The cost of the chaos caused by the imperialist powers were forced to pay Turkiye. Now you start crying because a few immigrants come to your country. We have a word here; '' The snake that does not touch me will live a thousand years! '' Maybe you are the inventor of this word?

These migrants are useless in everywhere, Turkey doesn’t need them. EU countries especially France/Greece didn’t allow us to build safe zone that prevents coming of immigrants from Syria. We don’t have to deal with all of this bullshit that happened in the middle-east.

are you stupid? stopping those migrants will finally stop the "braindrain" to europe. there was nothing negative sown, the west was for decades begged by lobbyists from those countries to intervene into their political affairs to get rid of so called "tyrants". why did they constantly asked the west to tear down another tyriant and whined for a nother regime change?

these migrants are useless in europe, europe doesnt need them.

this is clearly a case for nato, usa has gambled too long in the middle east, the gambling around syria was completely uninvolved with europens who constantly prefer to be neutral

Are you stupid? Now the Europeans and the US will have to carry the results of what they have done there. I can't say I'm sorry for that. We have carried out deportation operations to prevent the flow of refugees coming to our country for years and to create a safe zone. but as a result, we were accused of barbarism by the Europeans and most of our soldiers died.
Also, you cannot estimate the harm caused by the remaining 5 million untrained refugees to our country while you are getting good income and educated immigrants to your country. Stop whining now.

these immigrants are effectively evil and racists against the people where they go to, you idiot, they want you to have to work for them, build them a housing educate their spoiled brat gangsta children etc. pay taxes for migrant aid, instead of investing the money into your own children, because they are comming from huge ressource rich countries like nigeria or afghanistan or syria into small ressource poor ones. like greece or hungary.  these migrants are the evil ones, they are fleeing the ressource rich third world to tiny dense populated europe
 i doubt even you are a greek you might be one of them, pretending to be a greek.

We're all people. The idea that they can somehow take over society and destroy a country is far-right fear-mongering. In truth they are a net benefit to society. The rules won't change. Just more diversity in the crowd.

In my experience immigrants were more fun to hangout than racists.

Even in a small village up in the mountains, I met an Albanian, well respected in the community and part of it. Now Imagine that all over Greece but with Syrians. I don't see how it makes Greece any worse.


To your points. There are going to be bigots among the immigrants, just like the native population. Hopefully if the culture goes right these people will become more secular.

As for immigrants not being fruitful labor, you're probably eating vegetables grown by immigrants and enter buildings and drive on roads that were build by illegal immigrant labor. A lot of people immigrate illegally simply to find work.

I bet the reason they don't have legal status to work is because the system failed them. I respect the lengths that these people take to get what we take for granted.

The only point where I'd advocate for a military like defense of the borders would be if it was a legit invasion. And I know you probably get a ha**on just thinking about shooting brown people but this is not what's happening here.

are you stupid? among those migrants there are also many hateful racists islamists and other haters, that simply don't want to work at home, a society needs labour to be fruitful for all, refugees aren't necessarily labour they could have also come legaly with a work visa.

europe block off these migrants is also helping the development of those noneuropean countries they came from because their labour actually stays there.

I'm Greek but I've lived Outside of Greece for 10 years.


I think that we should keep an open mind. As long at the laws are being upheld, we're very far away from a malthusian situation. Greece like a lot of the luckier countries is not in a terrible crisis at the moment.

Things will only get worse for people in the middle east thanks to climate change. Since we're luckier we should do what we can to accept immigrants into our country. My current country is the US and I think the same about here.

Some immigrants will commit crime. They start out in a real shitty situation. But in total I think they are a positive thing. I don't see a cultural threat due to immigrants. Greece has an awesome culture and even if we got millions of immigrants in the country that wouldn't change.

Hell, we get millions of tourists every summer and things work out fine.


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grammar +

If we're talking Syrian immigrants I had one in my class growing up and he was awesome. I remember one day he gave me some of his food, and even though Greek food is probably the best in the world his stuff was also really, really good. He's cool, he's got tons of friends and still lives in Athens.

got it. you hate yourself and can't deal with it.

there are not just syrian migrants, there are also african ones, afghan ones etc.

I don't think I am. Compared to the other smarter guys maybe, relatively. Possible.


I know Turkey didn't have 5+ million Syrians inside their borders. Why do you think there are millions of Syrians in Turkey while there were none 10 years ago?


http://nearfuturesonline.org/on-governing-the-syrian-refugee-crisis-collectively-the-view-from-turkey/
(this map is from 2015-2106 couldn't find an updated one but I know I saw and read that the numbers are way higher now)


Africa and the Middle East can be saved. Any instability in these areas will affect Europe and other parts of the world too. I have been to Europe many times and it is not really much different than the Middle East lately tbh. Maybe slightly better.

The only thing that makes a difference now is your wealth status. If you are rich enough you don't get to see any poor people. The working middle class who have to deal with these people every day is completely got fucked though.

nope i am not racist, i am a communist i want stability and prosperity for everyone. these migrants are racist and nazis,

are you stupid the migrants where comming since decades.

lets just face it africa and the middle east can't be saved, and can't stay how they are they have to drastically decline in birth rates, those idiots don't want to run their land they only are fighting each other for power.

should they? better ask them!


where did you learn this nonsense?


your speech seems racist and savage to me.

are you sure that you're talking about them or it is a projection of your own shadow?

NATO (USA) is responsible for this mess in the first place. If they didn't wage war with Syria, there wouldn't be any migrant problems.

Just because Assad didn't let Muricans to have their pipeline, he had to go.

This article is explains it pretty well:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/pipelineistan-conspiracy-war-syria-has-never-been-about-gas

they should, the west has to use military force to finally fix controll the migration, or the societies desintegrate, thse third world savages, have lost all responsibilities and have become racist abusers of humanist ideals.

why is the west running a military if not for that?

So what the Greeks think about it? are they calling for NATO?

Nato should protect greece and southern europeans from these migrants.

its a clear attack against the stability and the integrity of those states, those migrants dont just come once they are inside they start stealing and crime sometimes even murdering locals until the society starts to desintegrate.

why is nato completely sleeping on this are they drunken?