The reason is because the way the litigation works in this country it takes 40 years to put a new nuclear plant online. We don't have a system in place to move waste around long distances nor do we have reprocessing infrastructure. Fossil fuel people push for nuclear as green energy, not because they want nuclear, but because they know it will buy them several more decades of fossil fuel burning.
We can't afford any more delay. WE have to take a path we a certain will get us where we are going in 10-15 years. The obama type liberals already waste too much time on slow drip progress.
Topic: Green New Deal (Read 742 times)
Well if I agree with you, then we agree that the "Green new deal 10 year crash program" is also completely stupid.
I think I'll agree with you.
Can't say, haven't read it.
But if it somehow implies that you will shut down your reactors BEFORE finishing the research, that's the dumbest idea I've heard coming from anyone else than TECSHARE for a looooooong time.
Yes you've just heard the dumbest idea you'll hear in a long time. Not worth reading the stupid thing. See, somehow in the USA green libtards are all anti-nuclear, which one of the few redeeming things about France, is that France is pro-nuclear.
Here, they'll lie and duck and dodge about the matter, but it's basically just plain true to say Green == anti-nuclear. Side note: I always have suspected that was due to back door funding of our Dems from Saudi oil interests, since it was rational that to the extent America went off nuclear, we went on oil ( eg Saudi oil).
Do you mind rephrasing that first statement again, only this time with a clear premise.
Oh I see, since what he was talking about was not what you were thinking about, you aren't wrong then huh? Coin4commies is not an expert on anything except Critical Theory, so sorry if I missed his expert review.
Oh I see, since what he was talking about was not what you were thinking about, you aren't wrong then huh? Coin4commies is not an expert on anything except Critical Theory, so sorry if I missed his expert review.
Your argument is incredibly ridiculous considering the fact that if you take "thorium reactor" in its broad definition, it' live since half of the 20th century. It's completely obvious that he wasn't referring to those old technologies otherwise his post makes no sense at all... We're talking fututistic technologies here, trying to say "hmm when you say thorium reactors you refer to 60 old reactors" is either a misunderstanding due to lack of knowledge (which is fine and needs explanations) or complete bad faith. Which side are you on?
For the first statement:
-I'm not criticizing America in itself which would make no sense considering the size and diversity of the country
-I'm criticizing American patriots who seem so afraid of their government and are so fond of their funding fathers and their constitution while not using the it like their funding fathers did.
Clearer now?
Yeah except its really not future technology in spite of your relativism and demands he must be speaking of the very specific type of model you were thinking of in your head but only later mentioned when called out on it then and insisted this could be the only way.
It is kind of hard to use the government in the same way... when the government is no where near the same thing so. Cool story bro. Maybe you can tell me more about my own country while you tell me more about how those protests are "scaling down" in yours eh?
Well if I agree with you, then we agree that the "Green new deal 10 year crash program" is also completely stupid.
I think I'll agree with you.
Can't say, haven't read it.
But if it somehow implies that you will shut down your reactors BEFORE finishing the research, that's the dumbest idea I've heard coming from anyone else than TECSHARE for a looooooong time.
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And there is no way a ten year program can lead to a guaranteed success in such complex field. A ten year crash program is completely stupid. That's basically saying "ok guys, scientists are going to find this revolutionnary tech in 10 years I'm confident, let's stop everything as we won't need it once they found the answer".
Subsidize research. A lot. Once the tech is mastered, crash all the old reactors.
And there is no way a ten year program can lead to a guaranteed success in such complex field. A ten year crash program is completely stupid. That's basically saying "ok guys, scientists are going to find this revolutionnary tech in 10 years I'm confident, let's stop everything as we won't need it once they found the answer".
Subsidize research. A lot. Once the tech is mastered, crash all the old reactors.
Well if I agree with you, then we agree that the "Green new deal 10 year crash program" is also completely stupid.
I think I'll agree with you.
Do you mind rephrasing that first statement again, only this time with a clear premise.
Oh I see, since what he was talking about was not what you were thinking about, you aren't wrong then huh? Coin4commies is not an expert on anything except Critical Theory, so sorry if I missed his expert review.
Oh I see, since what he was talking about was not what you were thinking about, you aren't wrong then huh? Coin4commies is not an expert on anything except Critical Theory, so sorry if I missed his expert review.
Your argument is incredibly ridiculous considering the fact that if you take "thorium reactor" in its broad definition, it' live since half of the 20th century. It's completely obvious that he wasn't referring to those old technologies otherwise his post makes no sense at all... We're talking fututistic technologies here, trying to say "hmm when you say thorium reactors you refer to 60 old reactors" is either a misunderstanding due to lack of knowledge (which is fine and needs explanations) or complete bad faith. Which side are you on?
For the first statement:
-I'm not criticizing America in itself which would make no sense considering the size and diversity of the country
-I'm criticizing American patriots who seem so afraid of their government and are so fond of their funding fathers and their constitution while not using the it like their funding fathers did.
Clearer now?
Leaving nit picking aside I'd absolutely love to see a ten year crash program to bring molten salt reactors operational. So would a whole lot of other people.
You were the one nit picking.And there is no way a ten year program can lead to a guaranteed success in such complex field. A ten year crash program is completely stupid. That's basically saying "ok guys, scientists are going to find this revolutionnary tech in 10 years I'm confident, let's stop everything as we won't need it once they found the answer".
Subsidize research. A lot. Once the tech is mastered, crash all the old reactors.
BWAHAHA now you care about logical fallacies do you? That wasn't an argument, that was literally me just asking you what nation you are from. You seem to purposely obfuscate it while constantly criticizing other nations. I am curious.
Absolutely not, I'm criticizing the bizarre state of mind of American patriot who want so much to act like the "funding fathers" wanted them to while not doing what they really did.France if your question has any interest.
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Also what does that have to do with the fact that thorium reactors are not future technology?
Well it was probably not clear but as your answer were just 2 Wikipedia links I acted the same.
Thorium aren't future technology indeed. But when you say Thorium reactors, 98% of the time you in fact mean either subcritical reactors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerator-driven_subcritical_reactor) which are still in research or molten salt reactors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor) which are in the end of research cycle but still not operationnal.
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BWAHAHA now you care about logical fallacies do you? That wasn't an argument, that was literally me just asking you what nation you are from. You seem to purposely obfuscate it while constantly criticizing other nations. I am curious.
Absolutely not, I'm criticizing the bizarre state of mind of American patriot who want so much to act like the "funding fathers" wanted them to while not doing what they really did.France if your question has any interest.
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Also what does that have to do with the fact that thorium reactors are not future technology?
Well it was probably not clear but as your answer were just 2 Wikipedia links I acted the same.
Thorium aren't future technology indeed. But when you say Thorium reactors, 98% of the time you in fact mean either subcritical reactors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerator-driven_subcritical_reactor) which are still in research or molten salt reactors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor) which are in the end of research cycle but still not operationnal.
Anyone saying Thorium reactors refers to those 2 because those are the 2 reactors supposed to bring nuclear energy to the next level.
Coin4commies clearly talked about those 2 types of reactors saying that Thorium and fusion are future...
Do you mind rephrasing that first statement again, only this time with a clear premise.
Oh I see, since what he was talking about was not what you were thinking about, you aren't wrong then huh? Coin4commies is not an expert on anything except Critical Theory, so sorry if I missed his expert review.
BWAHAHA now you care about logical fallacies do you? That wasn't an argument, that was literally me just asking you what nation you are from. You seem to purposely obfuscate it while constantly criticizing other nations. I am curious.
Absolutely not, I'm criticizing the bizarre state of mind of American patriot who want so much to act like the "funding fathers" wanted them to while not doing what they really did.France if your question has any interest.
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Also what does that have to do with the fact that thorium reactors are not future technology?
Well it was probably not clear but as your answer were just 2 Wikipedia links I acted the same.
Thorium aren't future technology indeed. But when you say Thorium reactors, 98% of the time you in fact mean either subcritical reactors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerator-driven_subcritical_reactor) which are still in research or molten salt reactors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor) which are in the end of research cycle but still not operationnal.
Anyone saying Thorium reactors refers to those 2 because those are the 2 reactors supposed to bring nuclear energy to the next level.
Coin4commies clearly talked about those 2 types of reactors saying that Thorium and fusion are future...
Thorium is today.
No.
Not at all.
Thorium is "not so far tomorrow normally".
Not today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power#Background_and_brief_history
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/06/130605-small-modular-nuclear-reactors-tennessee/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor
My son just showed this to me. If it wasn't so true it would be hilarious.
Are you all "free citizen of the glorius America without too much government cause the Fathers were goddamn right about how horrible democracy is" even aware that normally government = citizens?
That's even the reason of your second amendment if you weren't such cowards...
That's funny. The government = citizens. That is the whole point of The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, to make sure the people have equal POWER with the government. It very explicitly limits government power, and details birth rights the government can neither grant nor take away. What are you implying, unless we start a civil war against ourselves we are cowards? I am sure you are very hard core on the internet. Where are you from again? Lets talk about your nation.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
BWAHAHA now you care about logical fallacies do you? That wasn't an argument, that was literally me just asking you what nation you are from. You seem to purposely obfuscate it while constantly criticizing other nations. I am curious.
Also what does that have to do with the fact that thorium reactors are not future technology?
Thorium is today.
No.
Not at all.
Thorium is "not so far tomorrow normally".
Not today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power#Background_and_brief_history
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/06/130605-small-modular-nuclear-reactors-tennessee/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor
My son just showed this to me. If it wasn't so true it would be hilarious.
Are you all "free citizen of the glorius America without too much government cause the Fathers were goddamn right about how horrible democracy is" even aware that normally government = citizens?
That's even the reason of your second amendment if you weren't such cowards...
That's funny. The government = citizens. That is the whole point of The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, to make sure the people have equal POWER with the government. It very explicitly limits government power, and details birth rights the government can neither grant nor take away. What are you implying, unless we start a civil war against ourselves we are cowards? I am sure you are very hard core on the internet. Where are you from again? Lets talk about your nation.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
Thorium is today.
No.
Not at all.
Thorium is "not so far tomorrow normally".
Not today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power#Background_and_brief_history
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/06/130605-small-modular-nuclear-reactors-tennessee/
My son just showed this to me. If it wasn't so true it would be hilarious.
Are you all "free citizen of the glorius America without too much government cause the Fathers were goddamn right about how horrible democracy is" even aware that normally government = citizens?
That's even the reason of your second amendment if you weren't such cowards...
That's funny. The government = citizens. That is the whole point of The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, to make sure the people have equal POWER with the government. It very explicitly limits government power, and details birth rights the government can neither grant nor take away. What are you implying, unless we start a civil war against ourselves we are cowards? I am sure you are very hard core on the internet. Where are you from again? Lets talk about your nation.
My son just showed this to me. If it wasn't so true it would be hilarious.
Are you all "free citizen of the glorius America without too much government cause the Fathers were goddamn right about how horrible democracy is" even aware that normally government = citizens?
That's even the reason of your second amendment if you weren't such cowards...
Thorium is today.
No.
Not at all.
Thorium is "not so far tomorrow normally".
Not today.
My son just showed this to me. If it wasn't so true it would be hilarious.
The other thing is that women without education and access to reproductive healthcare have a lot more children so providing those things to everyone is a right would be the easiest solution.
I'll just leave this here for all to enjoy, as a wise man once said:
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The green new deal has already brought the conversation right back into mainstream focus and like healthcare will help the GOP take another epic lose in 2020 like they did in 2018!
Theorizing aside... what is not a theory is that humans have shown the capacity and will for genocide and depopulation on a massive scale in the past. Pretending it will never happen again is the exact kind of mistake that will allow it to happen again. The difference is this time they will have a better marketing strategy. I am sure it is just a coincidence "environmentalism" and mass depopulation have parallel goals...
This is a mischaracterization. Population is not an issue and depopulation is not achieved through genocide. The problem with the environment is how the top 50% consume almost all of the natural resources. Its a small amount of people causing all of the environmental harm and the population of this group is not actually increasing.The other thing is that women without education and access to reproductive healthcare have a lot more children so providing those things to everyone is a right would be the easiest solution.
Its only people who want to avoid the inconvenience of cutting back consumption or spending money on education who even bring up "overpopulation"
Thanks for this reply as it is a great demonstration of how you don't actually read and absorb a premise, you just talk past people as if their sentences are just a bag of words for you to pick out and reply to in any order or context you choose to make it relevant to making your world view seem right.
First of all I never said I thought overpopulation was an issue. I said depopulation via genocide has happened before and could happen again. Now before the steam shoots out of your ears and you shift to your preprogrammed response go back and read what I just said again.
This is a fact. Again, this is a fact, not open for dispute. Also it is interesting that you mention women and consumption, because it seems the ones crying the loudest about these things are the biggest perpetrators of it. Women do something like 70%-80% of all the purchasing and consumption by dollar value. Perhaps they should be looking closer at their own habits then trying so hard to find scapegoats. This is just another case of wanting all the rights but shifting the responsibilities off to others...
The other thing is that women without education and access to reproductive healthcare have a lot more children so providing those things to everyone is a right would be the easiest solution.
I'll just leave this here for all to enjoy, as a wise man once said:
The green new deal has already brought the conversation right back into mainstream focus and like healthcare will help the GOP take another epic lose in 2020 like they did in 2018!
Theorizing aside... what is not a theory is that humans have shown the capacity and will for genocide and depopulation on a massive scale in the past. Pretending it will never happen again is the exact kind of mistake that will allow it to happen again. The difference is this time they will have a better marketing strategy. I am sure it is just a coincidence "environmentalism" and mass depopulation have parallel goals...
That's the crux of the issue, isn't it? It isn't climate change, it's control. Control not only of your modes of transportation, but also your thoughts. They know they won't win a debate peddling a transparent socialist agenda. So they attempt to peddle it to you hidden and obfuscated by legislating moral virtues. The newspeak Green New Deal is nothing but a Red Old Scam. ....
If you look at the proposed power structures only and ignore the nonsense, that's correct. The claim is "my way will save the planet so give me total control of the planet."
Yes, they think people are that stupid.
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