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February 10, 2019, 01:54:30 PM
#15
My favorite part is where they say it provides economic security for all, even those unwilling to work.

The Green New Deal is the most fantasyland proposal I’ve ever personally seen proposed seriously in government.

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February 10, 2019, 11:49:49 AM
#14
It is effectively trying to outlaw the use of Airplanes (no fossil fuels after 10 years).

Trump seems to think AOC and democrats should move forward with the Green New Deal

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094375749279248385
Quote from:  President Trump cia Twitter
I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military - even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!
6:21 PM · Feb 9, 2019 · Twitter for iPhonE

Why interrupt your opponent when they are making an error?
This is never going to be put for a vote, as it is dead on arrival in the House. Pelosi has publicly said what amounts to that it will not be put to a vote, and she is smart enough to not put it to a vote based on the amount of ridicule it is receiving alone.

Trump is wanting to give this as much attention it can get to highlight the extremism on the left.

It is effectively trying to outlaw the use of Airplanes (no fossil fuels after 10 years). .....

Wait...

What would happen to all my frequent flyer miles?
They would get redistributed to those with less. The miles would not be good for anything though.   
legendary
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February 10, 2019, 09:52:10 AM
#13
It is effectively trying to outlaw the use of Airplanes (no fossil fuels after 10 years). .....

Wait...

What would happen to all my frequent flyer miles?

They have a few electric planes, and electric turbines are being developed. And we can get electricity from nuclear, water, and solar.

You will be able to keep all your frequent flyer miles... except if you use them, of course.

Cool
legendary
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February 10, 2019, 08:59:39 AM
#12
It is effectively trying to outlaw the use of Airplanes (no fossil fuels after 10 years). .....

Wait...

What would happen to all my frequent flyer miles?
legendary
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February 10, 2019, 02:53:40 AM
#11
It is effectively trying to outlaw the use of Airplanes (no fossil fuels after 10 years).

Trump seems to think AOC and democrats should move forward with the Green New Deal

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094375749279248385
Quote from:  President Trump cia Twitter
I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military - even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!
6:21 PM · Feb 9, 2019 · Twitter for iPhonE

Why interrupt your opponent when they are making an error?

Especially with an interruption that might take you into their socialism if you push it hard enough.

 Cheesy
legendary
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February 10, 2019, 01:22:42 AM
#10
It is effectively trying to outlaw the use of Airplanes (no fossil fuels after 10 years).

Trump seems to think AOC and democrats should move forward with the Green New Deal

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094375749279248385
Quote from:  President Trump cia Twitter
I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military - even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!
6:21 PM · Feb 9, 2019 · Twitter for iPhonE

Why interrupt your opponent when they are making an error?
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February 10, 2019, 12:59:45 AM
#9
It is effectively trying to outlaw the use of Airplanes (no fossil fuels after 10 years).

Trump seems to think AOC and democrats should move forward with the Green New Deal

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1094375749279248385
Quote from:  President Trump cia Twitter
I think it is very important for the Democrats to press forward with their Green New Deal. It would be great for the so-called “Carbon Footprint” to permanently eliminate all Planes, Cars, Cows, Oil, Gas & the Military - even if no other country would do the same. Brilliant!
6:21 PM · Feb 9, 2019 · Twitter for iPhonE
legendary
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February 09, 2019, 09:45:37 PM
#8
I've supported it since 2012 because it is the only plan available that gives us a chance at avoiding the impending climate catastrophe.  You say it is insane but have no reasoning for calling it insane. I know you deny climate science, but like the new deal, these stimulus proposals are economically viable regardless of weather or not there was an impending catastrophe.......
I honestly do not think you are on a winning bandwagon with this one.

legendary
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February 09, 2019, 09:37:17 PM
#7
This isn't a new idea.  Its a very old idea even though MSM is acting like AOC created it.

So that's why it is green. It's so old that it is moldy.

 Grin

It used to be red, but they are rebranding.
legendary
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February 09, 2019, 08:10:40 PM
#6
This isn't a new idea.  Its a very old idea even though MSM is acting like AOC created it.

So that's why it is green. It's so old that it is moldy.

 Grin
legendary
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February 09, 2019, 07:32:31 PM
#5
I've supported it since 2012 because it is the only plan available that gives us a chance at avoiding the impending climate catastrophe.  ....

The plan is the catastrophe, not the climate.
legendary
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February 09, 2019, 06:09:38 PM
#4
I've supported it since 2012 because it is the only plan available that gives us a chance at avoiding the impending climate catastrophe.  You say it is insane but have no reasoning for calling it insane. I know you deny climate science, but like the new deal, these stimulus proposals are economically viable regardless of weather or not there was an impending catastrophe. 

Of course the corporate-backed democratic party establishment doesn't support it.   Instead of that statement, you might as well just say "the fossil fuel, pharmaceutical, and insurance lobbies don't even support it" because thats what it means.  The Pelosi style democrats are in a tough spot not only because of donor pressure, but because accepting the right path forward would require them to admit their course of action during the Obama years was problematic and even harmful. 

They also don't see a need to accomplish anything in order to win elections.  Their calculation is that they only need to be slightly left of republicans to keep office but that calculation is wrong and failed miserably in 2016.   This new wave of democrats with green party ideology is transforming the party.  There are over 60 co sponsors on this bill.  It will be THEE issue in 2020 and I expect a dozen or so more AOC's entering congress.

"deny climate science" = expecting empirical data to support a scientific position

What revolutionaries you are for making a list of things that everyone wants with no real plan to get there. Just calling it viable doesn't magically make it so just like printing more money is not "Modern Monetary Theory", it is just inflation and theft. This "new wave" are low information high moral grandstanding true believers selling rebranded Communism.
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February 09, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
#3
I've supported it since 2012 because it is the only plan available that gives us a chance at avoiding the impending climate catastrophe.  You say it is insane but have no reasoning for calling it insane. I know you deny climate science, but like the new deal, these stimulus proposals are economically viable regardless of weather or not there was an impending catastrophe. 

Of course the corporate-backed democratic party establishment doesn't support it.   Instead of that statement, you might as well just say "the fossil fuel, pharmaceutical, and insurance lobbies don't even support it" because thats what it means.  The Pelosi style democrats are in a tough spot not only because of donor pressure, but because accepting the right path forward would require them to admit their course of action during the Obama years was problematic and even harmful. 

They also don't see a need to accomplish anything in order to win elections.  Their calculation is that they only need to be slightly left of republicans to keep office but that calculation is wrong and failed miserably in 2016.   This new wave of democrats with green party ideology is transforming the party.  There are over 60 co sponsors on this bill.  It will be THEE issue in 2020 and I expect a dozen or so more AOC's entering congress.
legendary
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February 09, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
#2
hahaha "extensive research".

Even her own party is already shitting on the plan. This plan is insane, she is insane, and you are even more insane for supporting it.
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@cryptocommies
February 09, 2019, 03:36:33 PM
#1
This isn't a new idea.  Its a very old idea even though MSM is acting like AOC created it.  The policies are all based on extensive research and most of them have been successfully put into practice in other places.  The new resolution is almost word for word the same as the one used as the green party platform from 2012 and 2016.  It was polling nationally at 81% last month. 

Here is a copy of the resolution framework as well as a FAQ that the fakenews media is using as the resolution.

Resolution framework: https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

FAQ: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf

The FAQ has created controversy because it contained some language that wasn't in the resolution.  Specifically the phrase "unwilling to work" which corporate media has, of course, taken and ran with it.  Some articles are basically reporting that phrase, which isn't in the resolution, as the entire resolution.  

https://www.google.com/search?q=unwilling+to+work&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEw4yzwK_gAhWIhFQKHUVbBysQ_AUIDygC&biw=960&bih=439
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