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Topic: [Group Buy]12 KNCminer Jupiter's 15 Sold [Closed] Jupiter Pool - page 32. (Read 75560 times)

hero member
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3 Shares

TX ID ad20b8cc487f506b8c936651097ad514128356bac091ff59bf3eb2b61fa72610


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73fcc54d5a8886ce5bcb3647a40cdb6cbb06ddb8f9e0591d5e29c1a9a673ea87

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sr. member
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you always can convert BTC in USD..

I believe that more people will buy shares from you if you just offer both ways of payment.

I would consider it, but currently I dont have the time to convert USD to BTC.  I ended this GB a little bit early to give me time to clear up any loose ends with KNC.

Interested investors can still buy in after the timer is over.

 PM me before you send any payments however to verify that there is still time and space to enter GB.
sr. member
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9th Jupiter purchased

Good work everyone
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Res Et Non Verbum
you always can convert BTC in USD..

I believe that more people will buy shares from you if you just offer both ways of payment.
sr. member
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due to current BTC price drop.. + due to KnC prices based on USD. would you accept Paypal?

I currently have about $3400 interested in paying by Paypal. Would need the full purchase price of one Jupiter in USD as KNC does not allow payment with part BTC/USD.

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Res Et Non Verbum
due to current BTC price drop.. + due to KnC prices based on USD. would you accept Paypal?
newbie
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The KNC site states the first Jupiter will be shipped in September. I know we are in early but do we have an idea of how they will be released. I hope it is not similar to BFL where they send tiny batches (i.e. 2-3/week) what is the expected delivery date if #1 say mid-Sept?
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2 more shares, hopefully 1 more will chip in.
Tx ID: f5574179c46cd96b99d51c1d5480eefb10319e9d159a99662418a7b28bc5e4ce
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sr. member
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I'm not part of this buy but have been watching from the outside.
A couple things the investors need to get clarity on.

1. Is Soniq just a pass-through in essence to get at one or multiple Jupiter orders?  From what I can see he has put no money into it (only the pre-order spot) and at the least gains a maintanence fee because 8 miners have been bought by the group so far.
2. The above is confirmed by the fact that as BTC dropped in value the OP changed (thus his original terms) from 2BTC per 1/360 share to 2.25BTC per 1/360 share.  Destined to go up again with the BTC drop overnight.  This, to me as an outsider, confirms he has no BTC in this group buy.  The group is picking up the extra costs.  Again he just collects a maintainence fee.
3. Power supply has been brought up.  The orders the group made don't include power supplies.  That's $200 or more per unit someone has to buy.  Remember, Soniq hasn't put any money into this group buy, so he's going to push the PSU costs onto the buyers.  Once again, changing his Terms.  And he can just collect the maintenance fee on that too.
4. There's the issue of 1/360 ownership in a "mining collective", versus 1/360 ownership in a group buy, versus 1/360 ownership in 8 units, versus 1/30 ownership in 1 unit.  All confusing and not resolved as I read through as a neutral party.  This needs clarity, yet I feel it may once again change the Terms on the OP.  This will go on the buyers again with skin in the game.  Soniq hasn't skin in the game.  He's just providing a pass-through to a low order number and collecting a handsome maintainence fee for life.

Again, I'm just an outsider following this thread.  It really interests me and I know both groups can resolve all these things.  You guys have been admirable getting this far in a short time.  Just make sure all Terms are clear and there is accountability among all players.

Appreciate all your comments. All issues will be addressed when I have moment to breath.

The share price is adjusted to reflect the exchange rate in USD/BTC as the Jupiters are priced in USD. I am not trying to make a profit on the purchase price.

The cost of the power supplies is a mute point, KNC has not developed a Jupiter yet. When and if they do, it will be a very very small expense relative to the income potential.

The 1/360 ownership will be clarified before any Jupiter hashes. Right now though this opportunity is giving smaller miners a chance to participate in an item they would not normally be able to afford.

I will have some  of my capital invested in this pool( mostly time right now, and will be more time invested after GB is over. updating shareholders, monitoring and or visiting KNC facility, updating shareholder list etc etc)

There has been a few forum posters that have mentioned that I am being paid really well. Yes I will do well if KNC delivers, but I am being paid nothing until then.

And if KNC delivers the shareholder will do well as well. A win win for everyone.
sr. member
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1 share

TX ID: 151f6f774c480ab2e1b93eba3b180fb0848989235175fe51b15707bc394fcb01

wallet address: 1MXJhz5m5R4zhvdqrZe45xkFigyEiT7UjZ

Cheers

3 Shares

TX ID ad20b8cc487f506b8c936651097ad514128356bac091ff59bf3eb2b61fa72610


Added to OP , thank you for contributing

Currently three shares short for a 9th Jupiter
sr. member
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If you havnt already download Bit Message, will be using this for contacting shareholders about updates, payments and trading shares
I can't get Bit Message to run on OSX. So I'll appreciate it if messages are posted here too.

Me too, when i have time, i'm going to work through these
https://bitmessage.org/forum/index.php/topic,1451.0.html -
https://bitmessage.org/forum/index.php/topic,1690.0.html -

But if you could keep the updates in here for us "Apple Fanboys..." for now please?
hero member
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If you havnt already download Bit Message, will be using this for contacting shareholders about updates, payments and trading shares
I can't get Bit Message to run on OSX. So I'll appreciate it if messages are posted here too.
newbie
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1 share

TX ID: 151f6f774c480ab2e1b93eba3b180fb0848989235175fe51b15707bc394fcb01

wallet address: 1MXJhz5m5R4zhvdqrZe45xkFigyEiT7UjZ

Cheers
legendary
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I'm not part of this buy but have been watching from the outside.
A couple things the investors need to get clarity on.

1. Is Soniq just a pass-through in essence to get at one or multiple Jupiter orders?  From what I can see he has put no money into it (only the pre-order spot) and at the least gains a maintanence fee because 8 miners have been bought by the group so far.
2. The above is confirmed by the fact that as BTC dropped in value the OP changed (thus his original terms) from 2BTC per 1/360 share to 2.25BTC per 1/360 share.  Destined to go up again with the BTC drop overnight.  This, to me as an outsider, confirms he has no BTC in this group buy.  The group is picking up the extra costs.  Again he just collects a maintainence fee.
3. Power supply has been brought up.  The orders the group made don't include power supplies.  That's $200 or more per unit someone has to buy.  Remember, Soniq hasn't put any money into this group buy, so he's going to push the PSU costs onto the buyers.  Once again, changing his Terms.  And he can just collect the maintenance fee on that too.
4. There's the issue of 1/360 ownership in a "mining collective", versus 1/360 ownership in a group buy, versus 1/360 ownership in 8 units, versus 1/30 ownership in 1 unit.  All confusing and not resolved as I read through as a neutral party.  This needs clarity, yet I feel it may once again change the Terms on the OP.  This will go on the buyers again with skin in the game.  Soniq hasn't skin in the game.  He's just providing a pass-through to a low order number and collecting a handsome maintainence fee for life.

Again, I'm just an outsider following this thread.  It really interests me and I know both groups can resolve all these things.  You guys have been admirable getting this far in a short time.  Just make sure all Terms are clear and there is accountability among all players.
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cryptoshark
what is share cost now ?
newbie
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As more ASIC's come on line the BTC prise will fall as the new BTC's are generated too quickly / easily and sold cheaper so investors can get an understandable early return on their investments.


More hash power doesn't mean more BTC generated!

Apologies,
But this is why I wanted to get an in to ASIC so I could HASH with the big players.
Will the difficulty just keep increasing then?
All this heavy artillery coming on-line will have an effect on the BTC eco system
And my pathetic GPU efforts will no longer be worth the effort (I'm deliberating on this now, but I love being a Miner)

IMHO.

Blocks (=25 new bitcoins) are mined every 10 minutes (on average). Difficulty is automatically adjusted every 2016 blocks and - yes - it can decrease... (every miner's dream)
legendary
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Ok, I'm having a change of mind here

The pool win or fail mentality is probably fairer in the event of Downtime / failures / repairs etc

And I did originally buy in to an X/360 share scheme
So as more come on line my share is worth more and if we have a failure / downtime / maintenance window, I do not singularly foot the bill.

And it probably easier for sonic to manage it as a pool as opposed to working out / cataloging who owns what bit etc....



Even though in 1st on the list I do agree with this,  Having a larger pool will spread the risk of downtime + early the birds got the cheaper price as a bonus.
sr. member
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Ok, I'm having a change of mind here

The pool win or fail mentality is probably fairer in the event of Downtime / failures / repairs etc

And I did originally buy in to an X/360 share scheme
So as more come on line my share is worth more and if we have a failure / downtime / maintenance window, I do not singularly foot the bill.

And it probably easier for sonic to manage it as a pool as opposed to working out / cataloging who owns what bit etc....

sr. member
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> "the early bird gets the worm, always. Sonics initial plan seems fair, IMHO, to reward the 1s who got in earlier than the rest. The risk is much higher when no1 is in the game yet - once the ball is rolling the mob mentality kicks in and makes it easier for the rest to join in."

^ I agree with this principle, but... sprint347 is right, the 1/360th comment did imply there was an element of pooling

Also, what if a Jupiter has excessive down-time at any stage? Do the owners of that Jupiter pay up, or is the risk spread? If the first Jupiter is set up and shares go directly to the shareholders in precise sequence, then it would be unfair later to pool the returns if that Jupiter was faulty or had down-time for a few weeks or longer. Spreading the risk across machines might therefore have its advantages especially for those with a larger share in any 1 particular machine. Something that might affect the decision is the precise pre-order slot of each Jupiter. If they are bunched up together very close 65-85, it is going to be less of an issue perhaps. But then again, if there is a top 10 order slot in there somewhere...
sr. member
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As more ASIC's come on line the BTC prise will fall as the new BTC's are generated too quickly / easily and sold cheaper so investors can get an understandable early return on their investments.


More hash power doesn't mean more BTC generated!

Apologies,
But this is why I wanted to get an in to ASIC so I could HASH with the big players.
Will the difficulty just keep increasing then?
All this heavy artillery coming on-line will have an effect on the BTC eco system
And my pathetic GPU efforts will no longer be worth the effort (I'm deliberating on this now, but I love being a Miner)

IMHO.
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