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Quote from: mak013 on July 31, 2024, 05:31:39 AM

Quote from: betswift on July 30, 2024, 04:52:24 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 30, 2024, 02:34:56 AM

I think that common player even don`t think about it. Security system control the main part of the simple software, and the exclusive programs cost too much to be used for games with the prize about $50. The problem can be on big tournaments, but i think that there are several restrictions there which allows fair play.
The same time even if some kind of bot is used on low level game - it can`t give serious advantage due to low level of gamblers - the luck means much more in such situation.

Bigger games are at stake here and on the mind first, smaller tournaments afterward. And, of course, a common player doesn't really think about the backend of the platform, but it always plays a role behind the scenes.

As for me - big games are offline games or at least games with well-known players. If one of them will be catch using prohibited software - he will lose much more than money - he`ll lose his reputation and big games.
The same time big players don`t cry but lots of common gamblers can create negative trust to the casino. So the casino have to try their best to see the common gambler pleased with their security system.

Agreed! It's essential for the reputation and the image of the casino for the people.

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Quote from: betswift on July 30, 2024, 04:52:24 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 30, 2024, 02:34:56 AM

I think that common player even don`t think about it. Security system control the main part of the simple software, and the exclusive programs cost too much to be used for games with the prize about $50. The problem can be on big tournaments, but i think that there are several restrictions there which allows fair play.
The same time even if some kind of bot is used on low level game - it can`t give serious advantage due to low level of gamblers - the luck means much more in such situation.

Bigger games are at stake here and on the mind first, smaller tournaments afterward. And, of course, a common player doesn't really think about the backend of the platform, but it always plays a role behind the scenes.

As for me - big games are offline games or at least games with well-known players. If one of them will be catch using prohibited software - he will lose much more than money - he`ll lose his reputation and big games.
The same time big players don`t cry but lots of common gamblers can create negative trust to the casino. So the casino have to try their best to see the common gambler pleased with their security system.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 30, 2024, 02:34:56 AM

Quote from: betswift on July 29, 2024, 04:00:06 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 27, 2024, 01:26:53 AM

They do what they can i think. I think that it is even possible that they find a way how to detect software on the second desktop but don`t tell us about it.
But even if they can detect some bot(for example) they can`t detect new bot until they get it and understand how it works and what they can do to detect or block it.

Yeah, quite a task, but then again, they should be worried, not the common player who just wants to enjoy the game whether it's live or online. We don't usually see or feel all the hard work put into the backend of any project, but we sure do expect it to do fantastic.

I think that common player even don`t think about it. Security system control the main part of the simple software, and the exclusive programs cost too much to be used for games with the prize about $50. The problem can be on big tournaments, but i think that there are several restrictions there which allows fair play.
The same time even if some kind of bot is used on low level game - it can`t give serious advantage due to low level of gamblers - the luck means much more in such situation.

Bigger games are at stake here and on the mind first, smaller tournaments afterward. And, of course, a common player doesn't really think about the backend of the platform, but it always plays a role behind the scenes.

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Quote from: betswift on July 29, 2024, 04:00:06 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 27, 2024, 01:26:53 AM

They do what they can i think. I think that it is even possible that they find a way how to detect software on the second desktop but don`t tell us about it.
But even if they can detect some bot(for example) they can`t detect new bot until they get it and understand how it works and what they can do to detect or block it.

Yeah, quite a task, but then again, they should be worried, not the common player who just wants to enjoy the game whether it's live or online. We don't usually see or feel all the hard work put into the backend of any project, but we sure do expect it to do fantastic.

I think that common player even don`t think about it. Security system control the main part of the simple software, and the exclusive programs cost too much to be used for games with the prize about $50. The problem can be on big tournaments, but i think that there are several restrictions there which allows fair play.
The same time even if some kind of bot is used on low level game - it can`t give serious advantage due to low level of gamblers - the luck means much more in such situation.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 27, 2024, 01:26:53 AM

Quote from: betswift on July 26, 2024, 04:25:47 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 26, 2024, 02:25:21 AM

The problem is that regulation can`t help in such situation. Someone always will try to hack the system. It will be the process of permanent modernization of shield and sword.

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 25, 2024, 08:56:24 AM

In the end, this kind of tool plays with the odds on their side, but we need luck, the fact that we have an 80% chance to win, doesn't mean we will win, and that's why users still have a chance to win against this kind of tools.

If I ask you, what is worse? to play against a user who has this tool installed? or, Play against Daniel Negreanu?, one of them play with the best odds, but the other one can read you as an open book. So, it is a complex decision right?

The problem is that when play two Daniel Negreanu even small advantage can become critical. If one of them will get even 1-2 additional seconds or math percent of chance of winning it can seriously help him.
PS. Of course i`m not so high qualified player, but i thinks that it works everywhere the same.

I got your point, and it's valid, but then the system should be worried more about it, if it's players are going to be mad that the shield can't protect from such a greatsword, so to speak.

They do what they can i think. I think that it is even possible that they find a way how to detect software on the second desktop but don`t tell us about it.
But even if they can detect some bot(for example) they can`t detect new bot until they get it and understand how it works and what they can do to detect or block it.

Yeah, quite a task, but then again, they should be worried, not the common player who just wants to enjoy the game whether it's live or online. We don't usually see or feel all the hard work put into the backend of any project, but we sure do expect it to do fantastic.

mak013

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Quote from: betswift on July 26, 2024, 04:25:47 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 26, 2024, 02:25:21 AM

The problem is that regulation can`t help in such situation. Someone always will try to hack the system. It will be the process of permanent modernization of shield and sword.

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 25, 2024, 08:56:24 AM

In the end, this kind of tool plays with the odds on their side, but we need luck, the fact that we have an 80% chance to win, doesn't mean we will win, and that's why users still have a chance to win against this kind of tools.

If I ask you, what is worse? to play against a user who has this tool installed? or, Play against Daniel Negreanu?, one of them play with the best odds, but the other one can read you as an open book. So, it is a complex decision right?

The problem is that when play two Daniel Negreanu even small advantage can become critical. If one of them will get even 1-2 additional seconds or math percent of chance of winning it can seriously help him.
PS. Of course i`m not so high qualified player, but i thinks that it works everywhere the same.

I got your point, and it's valid, but then the system should be worried more about it, if it's players are going to be mad that the shield can't protect from such a greatsword, so to speak.

They do what they can i think. I think that it is even possible that they find a way how to detect software on the second desktop but don`t tell us about it.
But even if they can detect some bot(for example) they can`t detect new bot until they get it and understand how it works and what they can do to detect or block it.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 26, 2024, 02:25:21 AM

Quote from: betswift on July 25, 2024, 06:48:12 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 25, 2024, 06:43:05 AM

So, after your post i can`t calm visit Pokerstars

I think that if it will become a normal situation, we`ll see big tournaments only offline. We get the situation when someone can get stable advantage in the game. For serious players it can be enough to win.

Yes, I too think it should be regulated more, so that there would be no thought of being outplayed only because of the advantage or something along the lines of it.

The problem is that regulation can`t help in such situation. Someone always will try to hack the system. It will be the process of permanent modernization of shield and sword.

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 25, 2024, 08:56:24 AM

In the end, this kind of tool plays with the odds on their side, but we need luck, the fact that we have an 80% chance to win, doesn't mean we will win, and that's why users still have a chance to win against this kind of tools.

If I ask you, what is worse? to play against a user who has this tool installed? or, Play against Daniel Negreanu?, one of them play with the best odds, but the other one can read you as an open book. So, it is a complex decision right?

The problem is that when play two Daniel Negreanu even small advantage can become critical. If one of them will get even 1-2 additional seconds or math percent of chance of winning it can seriously help him.
PS. Of course i`m not so high qualified player, but i thinks that it works everywhere the same.

I got your point, and it's valid, but then the system should be worried more about it, if it's players are going to be mad that the shield can't protect from such a greatsword, so to speak.

mak013

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Quote from: betswift on July 25, 2024, 06:48:12 AM

Quote from: mak013 on July 25, 2024, 06:43:05 AM

So, after your post i can`t calm visit Pokerstars

I think that if it will become a normal situation, we`ll see big tournaments only offline. We get the situation when someone can get stable advantage in the game. For serious players it can be enough to win.

Yes, I too think it should be regulated more, so that there would be no thought of being outplayed only because of the advantage or something along the lines of it.

The problem is that regulation can`t help in such situation. Someone always will try to hack the system. It will be the process of permanent modernization of shield and sword.

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 25, 2024, 08:56:24 AM

In the end, this kind of tool plays with the odds on their side, but we need luck, the fact that we have an 80% chance to win, doesn't mean we will win, and that's why users still have a chance to win against this kind of tools.

If I ask you, what is worse? to play against a user who has this tool installed? or, Play against Daniel Negreanu?, one of them play with the best odds, but the other one can read you as an open book. So, it is a complex decision right?

The problem is that when play two Daniel Negreanu even small advantage can become critical. If one of them will get even 1-2 additional seconds or math percent of chance of winning it can seriously help him.
PS. Of course i`m not so high qualified player, but i thinks that it works everywhere the same.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on July 25, 2024, 08:56:24 AM

In the end, this kind of tool plays with the odds on their side, but we need luck, the fact that we have an 80% chance to win, doesn't mean we will win, and that's why users still have a chance to win against this kind of tools.

If I ask you, what is worse? to play against a user who has this tool installed? or, Play against Daniel Negreanu?, one of them play with the best odds, but the other one can read you as an open book. So, it is a complex decision right?

I would choose a live session all day, as there the experience is king. As it was said, all pros nowadays have some legal software for help installed, but in the real game, reading other people's minds and bluffs is key to success.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on July 25, 2024, 08:56:24 AM

In the end, this kind of tool plays with the odds on their side, but we need luck, the fact that we have an 80% chance to win, doesn't mean we will win, and that's why users still have a chance to win against this kind of tools.

What it means is that in the long run you will win 80% of those times. In that play you can have good or bad luck but what matters is what happens in the long run. If on a play that you have an 80% chance of winning, you bet $10 to win $10 more, at the end of 1000 plays like that you will have won $800. That is what matters. Not what happens in that individual play.

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 25, 2024, 08:56:24 AM

If I ask you, what is worse? to play against a user who has this tool installed? or, Play against Daniel Negreanu?, one of them play with the best odds, but the other one can read you as an open book. So, it is a complex decision right?

If you play against Negreanu online he has those tools installed (the legal ones), as does every pro. If you play live, he has so much knowledge and experience that he can calculate combos and equity very accurately and quickly.

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In the end, this kind of tool plays with the odds on their side, but we need luck, the fact that we have an 80% chance to win, doesn't mean we will win, and that's why users still have a chance to win against this kind of tools.

If I ask you, what is worse? to play against a user who has this tool installed? or, Play against Daniel Negreanu?, one of them play with the best odds, but the other one can read you as an open book. So, it is a complex decision right?

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 25, 2024, 08:35:04 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 22, 2024, 08:41:23 AM

You could have the tool on a second PC and feed the hands or stream the table to that app. There is always a way to implement this kind of tool. But from my point of view is boring to play "By the book", we should follow our heart sometimes, and act on a random what that makes it hard for other users to predict our next move.

Poker tables are like AI, we need to feed them with the right information that way they know how to act against our play and it will be easier to bluff them.

There are many that you can't do that. If it is a manual equity calculator, for example, yes you could, but good luck not running out of time while you are inserting one by one the cards as you multitable. If it is an automatic calculator you can't.

Thanks for the inside! It would definitely kill the vibe for those who are using it in the first place doing it by hand alone Grin

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Quote from: seoincorporation on July 22, 2024, 08:41:23 AM

You could have the tool on a second PC and feed the hands or stream the table to that app. There is always a way to implement this kind of tool. But from my point of view is boring to play "By the book", we should follow our heart sometimes, and act on a random what that makes it hard for other users to predict our next move.

Poker tables are like AI, we need to feed them with the right information that way they know how to act against our play and it will be easier to bluff them.

There are many that you can't do that. If it is a manual equity calculator, for example, yes you could, but good luck not running out of time while you are inserting one by one the cards as you multitable. If it is an automatic calculator you can't.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 25, 2024, 06:43:05 AM

Quote from: seoincorporation on July 22, 2024, 08:41:23 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on July 02, 2024, 09:46:09 AM

That does not happen in Pokerstars, for example, and serious houses. Have a look at:

https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

There are a few tools you can use but many others are prohibited, some as simple as equity calculators, and if you get distracted and open it unintentionally, you get a warning. But even there, the game has become very automatic and bot-like compared to ten years ago.

You could have the tool on a second PC and feed the hands or stream the table to that app. There is always a way to implement this kind of tool. But from my point of view is boring to play "By the book", we should follow our heart sometimes, and act on a random what that makes it hard for other users to predict our next move.

Poker tables are like AI, we need to feed them with the right information that way they know how to act against our play and it will be easier to bluff them.

So, after your post i can`t calm visit Pokerstars

I think that if it will become a normal situation, we`ll see big tournaments only offline. We get the situation when someone can get stable advantage in the game. For serious players it can be enough to win.

Yes, I too think it should be regulated more, so that there would be no thought of being outplayed only because of the advantage or something along the lines of it.

mak013

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Quote from: seoincorporation on July 22, 2024, 08:41:23 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on July 02, 2024, 09:46:09 AM

That does not happen in Pokerstars, for example, and serious houses. Have a look at:

https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

There are a few tools you can use but many others are prohibited, some as simple as equity calculators, and if you get distracted and open it unintentionally, you get a warning. But even there, the game has become very automatic and bot-like compared to ten years ago.

You could have the tool on a second PC and feed the hands or stream the table to that app. There is always a way to implement this kind of tool. But from my point of view is boring to play "By the book", we should follow our heart sometimes, and act on a random what that makes it hard for other users to predict our next move.

Poker tables are like AI, we need to feed them with the right information that way they know how to act against our play and it will be easier to bluff them.

So, after your post i can`t calm visit Pokerstars

I think that if it will become a normal situation, we`ll see big tournaments only offline. We get the situation when someone can get stable advantage in the game. For serious players it can be enough to win.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on July 22, 2024, 08:41:23 AM

Quote from: Poker Player on July 02, 2024, 09:46:09 AM

That does not happen in Pokerstars, for example, and serious houses. Have a look at:

https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

There are a few tools you can use but many others are prohibited, some as simple as equity calculators, and if you get distracted and open it unintentionally, you get a warning. But even there, the game has become very automatic and bot-like compared to ten years ago.

You could have the tool on a second PC and feed the hands or stream the table to that app. There is always a way to implement this kind of tool. But from my point of view is boring to play "By the book", we should follow our heart sometimes, and act on a random what that makes it hard for other users to predict our next move.

Poker tables are like AI, we need to feed them with the right information that way they know how to act against our play and it will be easier to bluff them.

This! That's the spirit of the poker I love to see. Automatization or feeding the info to other PCs software is taking out the key principles - human nature and soul. It's just not right, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 02, 2024, 09:46:09 AM

That does not happen in Pokerstars, for example, and serious houses. Have a look at:

https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

There are a few tools you can use but many others are prohibited, some as simple as equity calculators, and if you get distracted and open it unintentionally, you get a warning. But even there, the game has become very automatic and bot-like compared to ten years ago.

You could have the tool on a second PC and feed the hands or stream the table to that app. There is always a way to implement this kind of tool. But from my point of view is boring to play "By the book", we should follow our heart sometimes, and act on a random what that makes it hard for other users to predict our next move.

Poker tables are like AI, we need to feed them with the right information that way they know how to act against our play and it will be easier to bluff them.

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Quote from: Poker Player on June 25, 2024, 09:17:04 AM

To be honest, in the end all this does is kill poker, because all players end up using these programs and tend to be even in the long run but meanwhile the house collecting the rake. The fish that bring net money to the system spend less and less because the money lasts them nothing and they do not have a social experience.

I play less and less, but also because I earn money in other ways that have no variance.

I agree with you. It takes the charm out of it and automates the process, making the whole game what it's not supposed to be.

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Quote from: Poker Player on July 02, 2024, 09:46:09 AM

Quote from: mak013 on June 29, 2024, 09:38:17 AM

Nope. You don`t need any knowledge. Such addons tell you what to do. I think that it isn`t a problem to make bot to do all this things for the gambler. As the result you just start the tourney and can go asleep for an hour.
The only thing left for gambler is bluff, but i think that it is possible to make bot to bluff sometimes, when he see interesting table for example.

That does not happen in Pokerstars, for example, and serious houses. Have a look at:

https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

There are a few tools you can use but many others are prohibited, some as simple as equity calculators, and if you get distracted and open it unintentionally, you get a warning. But even there, the game has become very automatic and bot-like compared to ten years ago.

I`m glad to hear it, but i think that it is the endless war between attack and defense. As i see, they have a list of prohibited software, so some other tools can be used(or the gambler will be banned later, when the list of software would be updated).
As the result - let`s use big houses and hope that their security is good enough.

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Quote from: mak013 on June 29, 2024, 09:38:17 AM

Nope. You don`t need any knowledge. Such addons tell you what to do. I think that it isn`t a problem to make bot to do all this things for the gambler. As the result you just start the tourney and can go asleep for an hour.
The only thing left for gambler is bluff, but i think that it is possible to make bot to bluff sometimes, when he see interesting table for example.

That does not happen in Pokerstars, for example, and serious houses. Have a look at:

https://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/prohibited/

There are a few tools you can use but many others are prohibited, some as simple as equity calculators, and if you get distracted and open it unintentionally, you get a warning. But even there, the game has become very automatic and bot-like compared to ten years ago.

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