Also, if we find any account which is doing copy paste work we can report to this thread where moderators take care of the report:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895
Hope this is useful.
Topic: [Guide]How to detect rule-breakers.Techniques and tips. (Read 1291 times)
To spot possible Malware links behind Wallet download links use the quote function !
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That's great tip buddy. I'll definitely add it the guide in the near future. I was wondering how the hell you detect so many scammers all the time, now I know your secret
To spot possible Malware links behind Wallet download links use the quote function !
For example its possible it looks like that :
What you can read is the normal real Github download Link .
With the quote function you can see that the real github link is replaced with an fake github link with malware.
Read it exactly and you can see that there is a difference , the Fake one " /projects-mynt/ " and here the right one " /project-mynt/ " !
If you find something like this , its to 99% Malware or Trojan software what you download !
Hope this Helps also to Spot this things .
For example its possible it looks like that :
Code:
Windows
[url=https://github.com/projects-mynt/mynt/releases/download/6.1.2/mynt-6.1.2-win64.zip]https://github.com/project-mynt/mynt/releases/download/6.1.2/mynt-6.1.2-win64.zip[/url]
What you can read is the normal real Github download Link .
With the quote function you can see that the real github link is replaced with an fake github link with malware.
Read it exactly and you can see that there is a difference , the Fake one " /projects-mynt/ " and here the right one " /project-mynt/ " !
If you find something like this , its to 99% Malware or Trojan software what you download !
Hope this Helps also to Spot this things .
Just a bump
Just to inform you guys that there is a Filipino version of this topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51476197
Thank you @iasenko for allowing me to spread this helpful guide to my local board.
Thank you @iasenko for allowing me to spread this helpful guide to my local board.
Bump with a reminder to update the OP when I have the time.
I just added info on how to filter patrol to show posts only from a chosen board.
I need to make some more updates soon.
I just added info on how to filter patrol to show posts only from a chosen board.
I need to make some more updates soon.
A trick to search for plagiarism:
While searching for the whole text with google often does the trick. I also use:
https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker
https://www.paperrater.com/plagiarism_checker
A really good (paid) plagiarism checker is: https://www.quetext.com
I often look for key phrases on google rather than the whole text - especially if it contains unusual spelling mistakes, poor grammar or an unusual phrase.
If you use hyphens "with your text" it will look for that specific phrase in that order.
The forum specific search work well using that method.
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=016660200577587308545%3Aesf40ml9aag&ie=UTF-8&q=&sa=Google+search#gsc.tab=0
A good example of this is:
Searching:
"Your plans are clear and very transparent."
Would get all these results:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/your-plans-are-clear-and-very-transparent-plagiarism-4765022
A trick to search for alts is to use:
Their Bitcoin or Ethereum address for a search on the forum
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=016660200577587308545%3Aesf40ml9aag&ie=UTF-8&q=&sa=Google+search#gsc.tab=0
Keep in mind that very recent posts may not be indexed yet till later.
Also using their social media accounts to search. Facebook, Twitter and Telegram.
Spammers often use the same social media accounts in bounties because they have 5000 verified "friends".
So by searching for their social media account on bitcointalk you will often find their alts.
A good example of that method is here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.44008042
Then use "ctrl" F and your search query to find it quickly on that page.
Often heavily spammed threads have a lot of deletions. So if you don't find it on that page - go back one or two pages with your search because posts may have been deleted since google indexed the pages.
If one of the alts has plagiarized it can result in all the alts getting banned if the alts are known.
A good way to detect spam groups:
Sometimes spammers use a cascade to "have a conversation". It is also a really good way to detect who their fellow spammers are.
A great technique is then to look for plagiarism among those spammers and get their accounts banned.
An example of this is here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fake-conversations-same-users-on-different-icos-4793054
Archive:
Archive important findings. Scammers often delete posts - if it is archived it is much harder to deny it later.
https://archive.org/web/
https://archive.fo/
While searching for the whole text with google often does the trick. I also use:
https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker
https://www.paperrater.com/plagiarism_checker
A really good (paid) plagiarism checker is: https://www.quetext.com
I often look for key phrases on google rather than the whole text - especially if it contains unusual spelling mistakes, poor grammar or an unusual phrase.
If you use hyphens "with your text" it will look for that specific phrase in that order.
The forum specific search work well using that method.
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=016660200577587308545%3Aesf40ml9aag&ie=UTF-8&q=&sa=Google+search#gsc.tab=0
A good example of this is:
Searching:
"Your plans are clear and very transparent."
Would get all these results:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/your-plans-are-clear-and-very-transparent-plagiarism-4765022
A trick to search for alts is to use:
Their Bitcoin or Ethereum address for a search on the forum
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=016660200577587308545%3Aesf40ml9aag&ie=UTF-8&q=&sa=Google+search#gsc.tab=0
Keep in mind that very recent posts may not be indexed yet till later.
Also using their social media accounts to search. Facebook, Twitter and Telegram.
Spammers often use the same social media accounts in bounties because they have 5000 verified "friends".
So by searching for their social media account on bitcointalk you will often find their alts.
A good example of that method is here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.44008042
Then use "ctrl" F and your search query to find it quickly on that page.
Often heavily spammed threads have a lot of deletions. So if you don't find it on that page - go back one or two pages with your search because posts may have been deleted since google indexed the pages.
If one of the alts has plagiarized it can result in all the alts getting banned if the alts are known.
A good way to detect spam groups:
Sometimes spammers use a cascade to "have a conversation". It is also a really good way to detect who their fellow spammers are.
A great technique is then to look for plagiarism among those spammers and get their accounts banned.
An example of this is here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fake-conversations-same-users-on-different-icos-4793054
Archive:
Archive important findings. Scammers often delete posts - if it is archived it is much harder to deny it later.
https://archive.org/web/
https://archive.fo/
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Thank you man, just tested it and updated the OP. Finally got rid of those closing List tags, it took me quite some time to research even I use a Notepad++ to be sure there were no open tags but gave up at the end. They are somehow auto-generated if you have an open list tag somewhere, idk just crazy
Thanks for the help again.
nice effort OP, great to see you have written this. learnt some things there myself.
A little updated. Finally fixed the format, but still struggling with the lists.
If anyone finds the mistake with the last 3 closing list tags I'll be very happy.
Just a bump. This is a initiative to help the new members to learn the way to report spam and keep the forum clean and tidy.
If anyone finds the mistake with the last 3 closing list tags I'll be very happy.
Just a bump. This is a initiative to help the new members to learn the way to report spam and keep the forum clean and tidy.
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When I come across a post that seems familiar or otherwise likely to be plagiarism I pick a distinctive phrase out of the post and do a google search like this:
"" site:bitcointalk.org
And if there is more than one result then I report the post and in the comment field I mention the number of hits returned by a google site search of the key phrase. This is less cumbersome than trying to put a link in the comment field to an identical post, especially when there might be *hundreds* of identical posts to choose from.
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When I come across a post that seems familiar or otherwise likely to be plagiarism I pick a distinctive phrase out of the post and do a google search like this:
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And if there is more than one result then I report the post and in the comment field I mention the number of hits returned by a google site search of the key phrase. This is less cumbersome than trying to put a link in the comment field to an identical post, especially when there might be *hundreds* of identical posts to choose from.
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This works only for the users who copypaste from the forum, but there are a lot of spammers here who just copy a website or article (usually a fresh article about bitcoin from a decent news site) and opens a new topic, paste the article and "forget" to mention the source...
They are hunting for merit because they think that if the other users see these long posts and the posts are good quality (because they were copied from a bitcoin news website) they will get merits.
If you just copy a few sentences from the middle of the suspicious post and try to search for it like this:
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and without the /site:bitcointalk.org, it will list you the original article.
You can find a lot of examples in the dedicated copypaste topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895
These two pieces of information are a great help for me because I was lately struggling to report plagiarism because there was no exact match when I was using just a simple google search. Of course, if the plagiated text matches every word in the post, then there is no doubt but when few words are different I start to think about my safety when reporting such a member post.
I don't want to hurt anybody.
These two simple commands are really powerful. I just used them to check my old saved links I have reported for plagiarism and I found a lot more proofs that I was right.
Lately, I was looking for help with reporting and even started my own topic. Thank you, OP that you provided me the link to this thread.
Is really helpful, exact summary and guide to reporting I was looking for.
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When I come across a post that seems familiar or otherwise likely to be plagiarism I pick a distinctive phrase out of the post and do a google search like this:
"" site:bitcointalk.org
And if there is more than one result then I report the post and in the comment field I mention the number of hits returned by a google site search of the key phrase. This is less cumbersome than trying to put a link in the comment field to an identical post, especially when there might be *hundreds* of identical posts to choose from.
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When I come across a post that seems familiar or otherwise likely to be plagiarism I pick a distinctive phrase out of the post and do a google search like this:
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And if there is more than one result then I report the post and in the comment field I mention the number of hits returned by a google site search of the key phrase. This is less cumbersome than trying to put a link in the comment field to an identical post, especially when there might be *hundreds* of identical posts to choose from.
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This works only for the users who copypaste from the forum, but there are a lot of spammers here who just copy a website or article (usually a fresh article about bitcoin from a decent news site) and opens a new topic, paste the article and "forget" to mention the source...
They are hunting for merit, because they think that if the other users see these long posts and the posts are good quality (because they were copied form a bitcoin news website) they will get merits.
If you just copy a few sentences from the middle of the suspicious post and try to search for it like this:
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and without the /site:bitcointalk.org, it will list you the original article.
You can find a lot of examples in the dedicated copypaste topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895
Hi iasenko,
Thanks for your explanation.
The fact is no one have such huge free time to find, then wait for identifying bumpers and report them like this.
It is my opinion, and it might be better if there are other methods to catch those bumpers (if available).
Thanks for your explanation.
The fact is no one have such huge free time to find, then wait for identifying bumpers and report them like this.
It is my opinion, and it might be better if there are other methods to catch those bumpers (if available).
Think about it, if 10% of the users here use 5 mins every day to check the patrol or random check some ANNs there will be huge impact to the forum and to the silent war with the spammers. Only 5 mins can make a difference for sure.
OP is very helpful as well, and I'd probably give him iasenko a merit as well if I had one and if he hadn't already gotten a whole bunch. Good job, my man.
Don't worry man, I got enough merit. Not everything is measured with merit. I'm happy that I found dome good friends and people, so it's worth it to be here. This is what the other don't understand as they are only after the cash here, so sad ...
When I come across a post that seems familiar or otherwise likely to be plagiarism I pick a distinctive phrase out of the post and do a google search like this:
"" site:bitcointalk.org
Thank you for writing that, as I'm somewhat of an idiot when it comes to tech stuff. I know how to search with google of course, but the past few times I was looking for plagiarists in Altcoin Discussion, I did it in a much less efficient way. This suggestion helps a lot."
OP is very helpful as well, and I'd probably give him iasenko a merit as well if I had one and if he hadn't already gotten a whole bunch. Good job, my man.
Bounty stakes are there incentives, as an example I will put it as like:
Posting Rules in signature campaign:
minimum 25 posts in a week, out of which atleast 5 posts must be in the official ANN thread showing discussion and participation in conversation.
Ok! So discussion and participation in conversation is fine, but making it a hard and fast rule to participants, there will be unnecessary posts from bounty participants as they dont have an option, they posts which makes no sense, but eventually its fulfilling the motive for both: participant as they are completing the requirement / project/managers: as the ANN thread is getting a bump.
Personally, I find it as misguiding potential investors, as they get a fake impression of the thread being very active whereas all the bump the thread gets is from the participants.
Posting Rules in signature campaign:
minimum 25 posts in a week, out of which atleast 5 posts must be in the official ANN thread showing discussion and participation in conversation.
Ok! So discussion and participation in conversation is fine, but making it a hard and fast rule to participants, there will be unnecessary posts from bounty participants as they dont have an option, they posts which makes no sense, but eventually its fulfilling the motive for both: participant as they are completing the requirement / project/managers: as the ANN thread is getting a bump.
Personally, I find it as misguiding potential investors, as they get a fake impression of the thread being very active whereas all the bump the thread gets is from the participants.
If it's a requirement then you should report it as it's giving an incentive by offering them shares/stakes/chocolate to post in their thread.
Hi iasenko,
Thanks for your explanation.
The fact is no one have such huge free time to find, then wait for identifying bumpers and report them like this.
It is my opinion, and it might be better if there are other methods to catch those bumpers (if available).
Thanks for your explanation.
The fact is no one have such huge free time to find, then wait for identifying bumpers and report them like this.
It is my opinion, and it might be better if there are other methods to catch those bumpers (if available).
Another technique to add, ico bumping from newbie accounts. Easy to detect, they delete every comment after short time. Normally are registered a few weeks ago.
Easy to report.
So, my question for you is:Easy to report.
How to know and give evidence that those ones deleted their threads several days after publishing.
Of course, it might be really easy if a Junior member has 0 postcount due to his post-deleting activities. In contrast, for a Junior member who has 60 post in total before deleting. Then, he decides to delete 30 shitty threads, his total postcount will be 30, consequently. The figure is appropriate for his rank, so I guess other users won't know he deleted 30 threads, especially users who don't have IT skills to retrieve detailed data from the forum.
Thanks for great topic, iasenko.
I just added this because I was on my phone and had to note it somewhere. I will update the guide as soon as I have time, I'm moving out at the end of the month and its a lot to do right now.
On the topic, those newbies bumping ANN threads have a special characteristics. They bump a thread and after 2-3 minutes they deleted the post so no one can detect them. If you go to the ANN section and open the last comment on any thread, if it is a newbies with 2-3 comments, just wait for 1-2 minutes refreshing the page and you gonna see that this comment is gone.
Use this post as reference > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38156817
If they are offering an incentive for it then report the thread for offering an incentive to it's user to post on the thread, and include a quote of this.
Bounty stakes are there incentives, as an example I will put it as like:
Posting Rules in signature campaign:
minimum 25 posts in a week, out of which atleast 5 posts must be in the official ANN thread showing discussion and participation in conversation.
Ok! So discussion and participation in conversation is fine, but making it a hard and fast rule to participants, there will be unnecessary posts from bounty participants as they dont have an option, they posts which makes no sense, but eventually its fulfilling the motive for both: participant as they are completing the requirement / project/managers: as the ANN thread is getting a bump.
Personally, I find it as misguiding potential investors, as they get a fake impression of the thread being very active whereas all the bump the thread gets is from the participants.
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-Detecting ICO pumping/bumping services
- Those services are trying to keep specific ANN thread on the first page by posting in different forms every single day. I have reported quite some of those rule-breakers but most of the time those a bot accounts. There are different patterns to look for, most of the time are some "conversations" between different users quoting each other but posting only once per day. Usually those are accounts with 30-40 posts and it's really easy to be spotted by checking the post history. They have posts in the same thread every day, sometimes they are pumping more then 2-3 ICO simultaneously.
- Those services are trying to keep specific ANN thread on the first page by posting in different forms every single day. I have reported quite some of those rule-breakers but most of the time those a bot accounts. There are different patterns to look for, most of the time are some "conversations" between different users quoting each other but posting only once per day. Usually those are accounts with 30-40 posts and it's really easy to be spotted by checking the post history. They have posts in the same thread every day, sometimes they are pumping more then 2-3 ICO simultaneously.
Regarding this point,
I have seen a lot of bounty campaigns which put it as a rule specifically that the signature participants must make some count of there total posts in the ANN thread only. This in a way or other do promote bumping of the ANN Thread.
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