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sr. member
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I have friends including me who have been scammedby trading bots...not sure if i am going to use such service anymore. Please aware Wink

this bot is legit and by far the best bitcoin bot I have personally used. Haasbot is only becoming more advanced with each update Smiley
legendary
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Jut want to say that the history teaches its past fails Smiley
legendary
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I have friends including me who have been scammedby trading bots...not sure if i am going to use such service anymore. Please aware Wink
newbie
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Stephan224
Thank you for this we get more and more usefull info about this tool   Smiley
Its possible to add Blackcoin / Cryptsy
newbie
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I have raised a ticket and sent you a PM

regards
sr. member
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If you want then its possible to join the beta test group. At this moment we are testing the new update to see if it works properly. Of course trying the beta version comes with a risk, but this risk is very small. Before the beta is released we already did the automated tests and the alpha testing here. The beta test itself is just a final verification.

We would especially welcome Bitfinex users, because inside the beta we have added support for trading at Bitfinex. But of course this not all this update will offer, there is a extention on the benchmark for 2 weeks, new trade indicators and (at the moment 1) 2 ways to progress orders differently. The first already present method inside the beta is using market orders instead of limit orders and the second solution is spread orders. But this last one has not passed out tests yet, but we will add it (working of course) in the final update.

If you want to join in, please PM me of send in a support ticket.

BTW the idea of a seperate engine and seperate features is a interesting idea, i will have a look if this is possible.

A forum especially for this software is under construction and partner will set this up. The same applies to videos about several strategies, those are beeing made. But for now i am afraid we have to discuss it over here (or other forum topics elsewhere).

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About some more advanced strategies... these days we are receiving a lot of requests to give out some more advanced strategies. All the FeeOvercome based strategies are working solid, but we all can do better then this. In this text i will describe a different technique that is possible to use with all licenses (especially the Advanced one) and that does not make use of the FeeOvercome insurace.

I am sure the first question that comes to mind is why not use the FeeOvercome? Well to explain this easy, there are 2 reasons for this. The first one is because we want to trade more pure on the trading signals and the FeeOvercome would just hold us back. And the second reason is because we will be compensating for the losses using our setup.

The way to make this work is by setting up a few (or a lot) of trade-bots on one and the same exchange and currency. We will be giving the trade-bots all an equal part of the total availible trade-amount (aka the total trade-amount is split up over the trade-bots). What we also will be doing is setting up all the trade-bots with different strategies.

These are the "targets" of why a lower trade-amount per trade-bot is wanted.
- Orders are filled faster.
- The fee costs per trade are less.
- Any losses are limited.

The idea by using different strategies is because we want to trade more (and differently) then normal. And each and every strategy has it own advantage (and disadvantage) but the most important thing is that each and every strategy is giving different trade moments. This is exactly what we need to have here, we want to be in the best trade moments possible and this setup allows us to be in there.

Hopefully if you read this text and if you put all the suggestions and advice together it should become visible why and how this "more advanced" strategy works.

Of course this would not really be helpfull without some suggestions, so here are a few for: MA, MA-Histogram, MACD, MACD-Histogram and PPO. These seem to apply to CexIO and GhsBtc only, but they will also work on BtcUsd on any other exchange. Just backtest/benchmark first and make make play around with some numbers.

Cex.IO
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Safeties
Dynamic adjusted drop-loss safety (Adjustment: 99,3 %, Update timer: 180) (CexIO GhsBtc)
*Fixed drop-loss price (Price: 0,0) (CexIO GhsBtc)

Indicators
MA Indicator (Trend type: SMA, Short 24, Long 48, MA Cross-over) (CexIO GhsBtc 10min)

Insurances
Cancel open order after 2 minute(s)
Never sell below last buy price -Insurance
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*) Needs to be changed before you use it


Cex.IO
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Safeties
Dynamic adjusted drop-loss safety (Adjustment: 99,3 %, Update timer: 180) (CexIO GhsBtc)
*Fixed drop-loss price (Price: 0,0) (CexIO GhsBtc)

Indicators
MA-Histogram Indicator (Trend type: SMA, Short 18, Long 44, Signal 22 MA Cross-over) (CexIO GhsBtc 10min)

Insurances
Cancel open order after 2 minute(s)
Never sell below last buy price -Insurance
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*) Needs to be changed before you use it



Cex.IO
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Safeties
Dynamic adjusted drop-loss safety (Adjustment: 99,3 %, Update timer: 180) (CexIO GhsBtc)
*Fixed drop-loss price (Price: 0,0) (CexIO GhsBtc)

Indicators
**PPO Indicator (Trend type: EMA, Short 12, Long 44, Signal 26 MA Cross-over) (CexIO GhsBtc 10min)

Insurances
Cancel open order after 2 minute(s)
Never sell below last buy price -Insurance
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*) Needs to be changed before you use it
**) You can replace the PPO with a MACD-Histogram


Finally some last words of advice:

Try it in a more safe way...
If you want to try this, but if you want to extra sure the losses remain limited you could think about adding the PricePercentageChange -Insurance. With this insurance you can setup the same percentages fee you got to reproduce the FeeoverCome, but i would not advice it. In this case i should recommend to set a lower percentage then your fee really is. We do want to have more tradings after all.

Learning from the strategies...
If you use a lot of trade-bots on one and the same exchange and currency then in time you will see which strategies are the best and which are the worst. Of course it recommended to replace the worst preforming ones by one of the best strategies that have proven itself, but with a slightly

Accepts whats happening...
Like said each strategy has its own advantages and disadvantages, this means its sure possible a strategy does not trade for a while. Do not dismiss it directly, it just could be waiting momemtum and is just might be a long term strategy that you have setup. So just accept it if no trades are beeing made. About 60%-75% of my trade-bots does not trade each day. This is (or could be al least) very normal to happen.
newbie
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Hey Guys,

Ive now been using the Haasbot for a few weeks now, and i must say its awesome, nice work.

Any chance of a dedicated forum for us fellow haasbot users?
And also i know at the moment the frequency of haasbot updates has slowed down to reduce the amount of unforseen bugs of the last few versions
But is there any way that the updates of new pairs and coins could be updated quicker, and not effect the overall server updates?

kinda like an antivirus, where IDEs are downloaded much more frequently but the main AV engine only updates when fully tested?

anyhow, you guys are awesome, keep it real !!

newbie
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I've got no idea what the problem was but after trying it again this morning it worked. I guess it was a problem caused by bitstamp.
newbie
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Today my API credentials for Bitstamp somehow got lost  Huh When i tried to fill in new credentials i got the following message:

I will try it again tomorrow. I'll report back then.
newbie
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Hello,

the BTC is not selling after 4 min or 10min. They hold the Order endless :-(

Insurances

Overcome fee costs -Insurance
Cancel open order after 4 minute(s)
sr. member
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If you read up and use the drop-loss strategies that i have posted earlier i am sure you will sleep well the coming days.

BTW the problem is resolved. The information is again available at the My Account -page.
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THanks, just wanted to check i wasnt going mad.

I haven't slept a lot recently..
sr. member
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Anybody know where i'd find my licence key? i've got the software and email receipts but nowhere can i find the Licence Key,

and the Key in the URL to download the Software is invalid for the Bot Server.

Thanks.

Both the link to the download and the license key can be found on the My Account page. If they are not there please contact me per mail, PM or support ticket and i will have a look if something has gone wrong in some way. Smiley

Edit:
Yep i have updated worpress (today) and something has gone wrong on showing the information. Please stand-by and i will solve this asap.
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Anybody know where i'd find my licence key? i've got the software and email receipts but nowhere can i find the Licence Key,

and the Key in the URL to download the Software is invalid for the Bot Server.

Thanks.
sr. member
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After thinking about this a little longer i came to the conclusion that this could be best achieved with a new safety, something like "trade-adjusted Drop loss/Roof in" (I am not particularly creative with names so dont bother Wink). I think this would be a great thing because (correct me if i'm wrong) that is basically what people do when trading manually, setting a threshold in case their trade decision was wrong.

You are already on the right way with your thoughts. Smiley

I will do a step back and explain step-by-step whats happening and why this is happening. I hope this will give some extra insight for people who read this too.

First of all an trade-bot itself exists out of 2 (or 3) parts. The first one is the Safeties which role is to protect your investments. The second part are the Trade Indicators and those are responsible to producing normal trade signals. And last there are the Insurances. Those are responsible to do a final check on the trade signal from the Trade Indicators before its really send.

When we have a look how this all works together then we can draw this image:


The important thing to notice here is that the safeties can bypass (and overrule) the trade signals. So as long as a Safety is active everything else is stopped.

The second important that we see here is that the Safety signals are NOT checked by the insurances. This is logical because when they act then there is something happening, you just want to have a response at that moment. The logical downside of this is that using the safeties you can NOT make sure you stay free of the fee costs. This is a potential risk you need to keep in mind.

Alright, now we have a view of how a trade-bot works and how it is setup. Now lets have a look to what we want to do.

In this situation i will go in-depth on the drop-loss.

First, what is a drop-loss and how does it work? A drop-loss (also know as stop-loss) is a way to sell coins if the prices go in a big downtrend. It will do nothing more (of less) then only that -> selling the coins. So this is the reason why this drop-loss can be found under the safeties, its a way to protect your investment.

Within the haasbot there are 1 or 2 drop-loss methods supported. (license depending) The first one is a static drop-loss, what this mean is that you can set a static (or fixed) price and tell the trade-bot to sell all the coins if the price drops below this given price inside the drop loss.

Lets take a look how we can use the static drop-loss. I have 2 examples how this can be used.

The first example i have is use it indeed as a safety. So assign it to any trade-bot that you want to setup. Just setup the minimum price inside the static drop-loss and done. This way it will work on the background and if anything happens to the prices (aka the price drops below the given price) then the safety will become effective. It will try to sell your coins and all trading will be halted as long as the safety is active (because it overrules the normal trade signals after all).

I hope this first example shows how to use the static drop-loss inside any regular trading strategy. Now, lets get to the simple part and how to use it differently. Suppose we pick the first example and suppose we remove all the trade indicators, any idea why will happen? Exactly, with a trade-bot with only a static drop-loss assigned to it you can setup a way to just protect your coins against a minimum price. Just use it to sell if needed and nothing more. Smiley

Both examples can (and will) produce the following chart, just to get a picture what i am talking about.


Please keep in mind that it is recommended to higher the static drop-loss price in time. After all, the higher you go (in time) the more you can earn at the drop.

These 2 methods are solid by design, however they are not solid at the exchange itself. At the current version there is one thing that still can go "wrong". This is the situation where a order is not filled in time. Of course within the software we (again) try to solve this problem. But i can already tell a 100% good solution is not possible here, its just the market movement that might go to fast.

Alright i hope this explains the basics of the static drop-loss, lets have a look to the dynamic one. (not available in the beginner license)

The dynamic drop-loss is the evolution of the static drop-loss. There main difference is that the dynamic drop-loss is adaptive to the price, so in this drop-loss we do not use a static (or fixed) price. We leave it up to the logic to setup a good price.

This logic works by 2 parameters, the first one is a percentage. This percentage indicates the price that must be set in relation to the current price. So this means this percentage has to be lower then 100 percent. The second parameter is the time (in minutes) the price gets adjusted. So if you combine both you see that each X minutes the following formula is executed:

Drop loss price = Current price * Percentage

If you setup a dynamic drop-loss then you can identify this price adjustment by looking to the drop-loss price on the charts.

This is a example of the dynamic drop-loss in action.


The power of the dynamic drop-loss is that is can follow up. This means if the current price goes upward then the dynamic drop-loss will adjust itself and go up to. So unlike the static drop-loss you do not have to take a look an adjust the prices once in a while.

The dynamic drop-loss can follow upward, but now comes the risk, it can also follow downward. We are adjusting the drop-loss price after all after X minutes. To prevent this from happening we need to take good care of the time that we adjust the price. This comes done to a good configuration.

To configure the dynamic drop-loss properly we first need to look at the percentage. What you want to do is set a percentage that evolves just below the current prices in any normal situation. We do not want to dynamic drop-loss to be really effective during normal prices changes. For Btc/Usd i found that 99% or 99.2% is a good number but of course this has to be watched each day, these number are not always good.

The second thing we need to set is the time we want the dynamic drop-loss price to be adjusted. And this is the hardest one, because this one really changes each day. For Btc/Usd i found that a adjustment of 60minutes is working, but is short. Better number can be found at 120minutes, 180minutes and even 240minutes.

Please keep in mind there is a specific relation to the percentages and the time for adjustment. The higher you set the percentage the shorter you can adjust the price. If you do not see this relation (i can relate to it) then i recommend to avoid this. It will only bring confusion (higher numbers are much easier to understand anyway).


Finally a very good tip about the drop-losses. As i told the dynamic drop-loss can follow a downtrend and this is not wanted. But if somebody would combine both drop-loss safeties then the best of both worlds will be given. In case the dynamic drop-loss follows down you can use the static one to prevent following downtrend even more. So what i suggest here is 2 safeties, and by design if 1 signals it is enough to trigger the sell command.


As last a perspective... if you look to the current charts then you can see what i have done here in the past hours. I has setup the static drop-loss at $439 and i jumped out thanks to this security on a price of eta $438 and now i have adjusted the price again and i am back in at 410. So by only using this very basic trading strategy i already earned a few dollars in a few hours. Everybody who have copy of the software can do exactly the same.


In the next post i will try explain how to buy back after the drop-loss was become effective, because this can be done in more then one way. (the Roof-In is just a suggestion, more is possible)
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This is not a public market place people. There are other locations to post that. Smiley

@scryptblocks:
PM has been send back.

@Hpotsirc:
You are on the right track with your thoughts. I will get back on this in another post later on. (i want to explain in detail what happening and how to set this up in a good way)
Sounds good! Thank you for getting back to me Smiley
sr. member
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This is not a public market place people. There are other locations to post that. Smiley

@scryptblocks:
PM has been send back.

@Hpotsirc:
You are on the right track with your thoughts. I will get back on this in another post later on. (i want to explain in detail what happening and how to set this up in a good way)
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I have  simple Trade Bot License and like to sell with 0.3 bitcoin!
If anyone interested, please pm to me
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Hi guys,
I have an Advanced Trade Bot License and like to sell with 0.6 bitcoin!
If anyone interested, please pm to me.
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Stephan224 - sent you a  PM yesterday
was wondering if you got it?
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