Topic: ‘Hamas-Israel deal imminent,’ to the dismay of Palestinian factions (Read 1171 times)
August 18, 2015, 02:48:29 PM
israel needs continued violence to justify the occupation. sooner or later some rogue islamic group will launch a firecracker in israels general direction and netanyahu will claim the palestinians broke the cease fire and start another war. what is needed is a comprehensive settlement with palestinians getting full control over their borders and the jews withdrawing from all the territories they illegitimately occupy.this can only happen once the stupid american goyim slaves stop providing them with free weapons and money.
August 18, 2015, 02:37:42 PM
Your views of the conflict are diametrically opposite to reality. Israel wants peace, Hamas wants the annihilation of Israel. Granted hudna is no peace, it's still 8 years of calm and 8 years of potential cooperation and trust building with Hamas. While peace is impossible now, a long term truce is a giant step in the right direction.
Israel gets more than bupkiss, it gets what it has always been seeking, a chance at peace, it's Hamas who is softening its rhetoric, expectations and demands.
I see no evidence of Hamas "softening" its rhetoric, expectations or demands. Can you substantiate this claim?Israel gets more than bupkiss, it gets what it has always been seeking, a chance at peace, it's Hamas who is softening its rhetoric, expectations and demands.
Israel gets bupkiss. All of the benefit flows to Hamas and enables it to tighten its grip on Gaza. they can claim they won, and in fact, they would if this was a real deal. Seems the "punching bag" strategy works with many.
the stopping of rockets, is bogus since Hamas already claims they can't control all the "resistance groups" within Gaza. Not that they are raining down on Israel these days, there hasn't been more than 10 since the start of 2015.
But feel free to think this is a legit step towards peace. Its nothing more than a hudna.
August 18, 2015, 02:36:34 PM
amazing. a hudna is not a peace, it is a temporary cease-fire.
But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.
Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?
They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.
But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.
Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?
They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.
What KriszDev says in post #50
August 18, 2015, 02:35:29 PM
amazing. a hudna is not a peace, it is a temporary cease-fire.
But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.
Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?
They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.
Your views of the conflict are diametrically opposite to reality. Israel wants peace, Hamas wants the annihilation of Israel. Granted hudna is no peace, it's still 8 years of calm and 8 years of potential cooperation and trust building with Hamas. While peace is impossible now, a long term truce is a giant step in the right direction.But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.
Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?
They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.
Israel gets more than bupkiss, it gets what it has always been seeking, a chance at peace, it's Hamas who is softening its rhetoric, expectations and demands.
August 18, 2015, 02:34:36 PM
So... Hamas is drooling at the prospect of peace, but there's not many Israelis who want it?
I've tried to find logic in what you've wrote, but hurt myself
amazing. a hudna is not a peace, it is a temporary cease-fire.I've tried to find logic in what you've wrote, but hurt myself
But of course you not actually understanding the nature of a hudna thinking it was a peace deal is not surprising.
Hamas would be drooling that embargo restrictions would lifted, and that gazan workers could actually go back to work in Israel, and at what price? A promise not to fire rockets into Israel or dig a tunnel?
They already deny they are shooting rockets into Israel claiming its other groups doing it and they can't police everyone.
August 18, 2015, 02:33:53 PM
Strawman.
You think that a hudna with Hamas would bring about actual peace?
somebody floated a fairy tale that some wish to believe with all their little hearts is true.
Israel gets bupkiss. Hamas gets the lollipop and Israel gets the stick. doubt there are many Israelis stupid enough to accept such a deal, but every Hamas member would be drooling at the prospect.
So... Hamas is drooling at the prospect of peace, but there's not many Israelis who want it?You think that a hudna with Hamas would bring about actual peace?
somebody floated a fairy tale that some wish to believe with all their little hearts is true.
Israel gets bupkiss. Hamas gets the lollipop and Israel gets the stick. doubt there are many Israelis stupid enough to accept such a deal, but every Hamas member would be drooling at the prospect.
I've tried to find logic in what you've wrote, but hurt myself
August 18, 2015, 02:33:17 PM
These negotiations been there for a while and all along Israel denied it in front of PLO, there have been former denials as well but we still hear of it, so it depends on who you belive.
All along Israel has denied the rumours that continue to persist. I sure as hell don't believe the rumour mill especially since it is being propagate by non-Palestinian Arabic sources. August 18, 2015, 02:32:49 PM
You would desperately hope the peace would not happen... why?
Strawman.You think that a hudna with Hamas would bring about actual peace?
somebody floated a fairy tale that some wish to believe with all their little hearts is true.
Israel gets bupkiss. Hamas gets the lollipop and Israel gets the stick. doubt there are many Israelis stupid enough to accept such a deal, but every Hamas member would be drooling at the prospect.
August 18, 2015, 02:31:29 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.671642
I thought this smelled. Israel would NEVER negotiate a short term hudna with hamas. It is of zero benefit to themselves and massive benefit to Hamas.
I thought this smelled. Israel would NEVER negotiate a short term hudna with hamas. It is of zero benefit to themselves and massive benefit to Hamas.
You would desperately hope the peace would not happen... why?
August 18, 2015, 02:30:47 PM
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Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement.
“There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.671642
“There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.671642
I thought this smelled. Israel would NEVER negotiate a short term hudna with hamas. It is of zero benefit to themselves and massive benefit to Hamas.
These negotiations been there for a while and all along Israel denied it in front of PLO, there have been former denials as well but we still hear of it, so it depends on who you belive.
August 18, 2015, 02:30:04 PM
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Israel officially denied Monday night that it is conducting direct or indirect negotiations with Hamas on a long-term cease-fire agreement.
“There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.671642
“There are no meetings with Hamas,” the prime minister’s bureau said in a statement, adding: “There are no direct contacts, no contacts through other countries and no contacts through intermediaries.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.671642
I thought this smelled. Israel would NEVER negotiate a short term hudna with hamas. It is of zero benefit to themselves and massive benefit to Hamas.
August 18, 2015, 02:27:32 PM
He has no idea what he wants, give him a few days to digest what we said all along, Hamas will eventually have to come in terms with Israel - shame on all the lives they sacrificed this far, and Israel isnt about to disappear....
Like others, he probably want Palestinians to remain perpetual victims, for this gives Israel haters the ability to do what they do best - hate Israel. So, peace between Hamas and Israel does not play well with them. August 18, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
Oh I see, that's what explains the fact that Israel supporters in this thread are cheering for truce with Hamas, skeptical as we may be, while self-proclaimed Palestinian advocates are conspicuously quiet at best or spewing venom and hatred at worst. Thanks pal for proving my point.
I was effectively parodying your post. August 18, 2015, 02:25:41 PM
So, Hamas is entering into a peace agreement with Israel thereby "pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire"? Eloquently put for sure, but how again does it make Israel vilian? Should have Israel refuse peace with Gaza? Palestinians seem to believe so, and so do you
He has no idea what he wants, give him a few days to digest what we said all along, Hamas will eventually have to come in terms with Israel - shame on all the lives they sacrificed this far, and Israel isnt about to disappear.... August 18, 2015, 02:25:08 PM
Oh I see, that's what explains the fact that Israel supporters in this thread are cheering for truce with Hamas, skeptical as we may be, while self-proclaimed Palestinian advocates are conspicuously quiet at best or spewing venom and hatred at worst. Thanks pal for proving my point.
Its funny to see how ppl are "programmed", peace, co-existance or any kind of agreement is BAD because it gives Israel some breathing space and they call us warmongersThe second its gets cancelled they'll jump again accusing Israel of failing it even thou they were against it themselves. Europe may have cleansed itself from official Gov' anti-sematism but unleashing its radical left socialist-anarchists at Israel is one of their lowest attacks..
August 18, 2015, 02:24:08 PM
For self proclaimed Israel supporters it's all about the bigotry and persecution and nothing else.
OK, that's inaccurate.
It's also about pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire, and then faking outrage to a gullible 'international community' whilst at home the fascists openly march on the streets braying for more of the same.
So, Hamas is entering into a peace agreement with Israel thereby "pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire"? Eloquently put for sure, but how again does it make Israel vilian? Should have Israel refuse peace with Gaza? Palestinians seem to believe so, and so do you OK, that's inaccurate.
It's also about pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire, and then faking outrage to a gullible 'international community' whilst at home the fascists openly march on the streets braying for more of the same.
August 18, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
Gazans do not get peace for peace. Gazans get hell for peace. 100,000 homeless, power shortages make it difficult to even do operations, safe water is hard to find, the entire population is traumatised especially children. A significant number of the children now suffer from low growth due to malnutrition = something which can never be corrected and will in adulthood result in reduced IQ. Even new born babies are harmed by anemia by the siege
http://www.imemc.org/article/55049
Gaza is a warehouse for human beings to suffer in until Israel believes that the west has become sufficiently neo Nazi that it can commit mass murder/forceful expulsion from there and the sad thing is it may not be too long till we are.
The supposed deal with Gaza is to finalise the division of Palestine begun with the Israeli withdrawal and stop a proper solution for the Palestinians.
http://www.imemc.org/article/55049
Gaza is a warehouse for human beings to suffer in until Israel believes that the west has become sufficiently neo Nazi that it can commit mass murder/forceful expulsion from there and the sad thing is it may not be too long till we are.
The supposed deal with Gaza is to finalise the division of Palestine begun with the Israeli withdrawal and stop a proper solution for the Palestinians.
At the cost of $3mln apiece, were Hamas not spending these money on tunnels, they would have better electricity supply. And reduced IQ usually is a result of inbreeding.
My heart is bleeding... NOT!
August 18, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
For self proclaimed Israel supporters it's all about the bigotry and persecution and nothing else.
OK, that's inaccurate.
It's also about pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire, and then faking outrage to a gullible 'international community' whilst at home the fascists openly march on the streets braying for more of the same.
OK, that's inaccurate.
It's also about pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire, and then faking outrage to a gullible 'international community' whilst at home the fascists openly march on the streets braying for more of the same.
Oh I see, that's what explains the fact that Israel supporters in this thread are cheering for truce with Hamas, skeptical as we may be, while self-proclaimed Palestinian advocates are conspicuously quiet at best or spewing venom and hatred at worst. Thanks pal for proving my point.
August 18, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
For self proclaimed Israel supporters it's all about the bigotry and persecution and nothing else.
OK, that's inaccurate.
It's also about pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire, and then faking outrage to a gullible 'international community' whilst at home the fascists openly march on the streets braying for more of the same.
August 18, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
Gazans do not get peace for peace. Gazans get hell for peace. 100,000 homeless, power shortages make it difficult to even do operations, safe water is hard to find, the entire population is traumatised especially children. A significant number of the children now suffer from low growth due to malnutrition = something which can never be corrected and will in adulthood result in reduced IQ. Even new born babies are harmed by anemia by the siege
http://www.imemc.org/article/55049
Gaza is a warehouse for human beings to suffer in until Israel believes that the west has become sufficiently neo Nazi that it can commit mass murder/forceful expulsion from there and the sad thing is it may not be too long till we are.
The supposed deal with Gaza is to finalise the division of Palestine begun with the Israeli withdrawal and stop a proper solution for the Palestinians.
I hate to tell you this but PLO objection to this deal is because they do want to continue the same pressure you oppose on Gaza, they want to show only Abu Mazen can strike deals with Israel, so what are you in favor of ? http://www.imemc.org/article/55049
Gaza is a warehouse for human beings to suffer in until Israel believes that the west has become sufficiently neo Nazi that it can commit mass murder/forceful expulsion from there and the sad thing is it may not be too long till we are.
The supposed deal with Gaza is to finalise the division of Palestine begun with the Israeli withdrawal and stop a proper solution for the Palestinians.
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