‘Hamas-Israel deal imminent,’ to the dismay of Palestinian factions - page 2.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 18, 2015, 02:15:33 PM

For self-proclaimed pro-Palestinian supporters it's all about the elimination of Israel and nothing else.

For self proclaimed Israel supporters it's all about the bigotry and persecution and nothing else.

OK, that's inaccurate.

It's also about pouring gasoline down Arabic throats, setting them on fire, and then faking outrage to a gullible 'international community' whilst at home the fascists openly march on the streets braying for more of the same.

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Quote from: Juliozz on August 18, 2015, 02:17:23 PM

Israelis do not want Gazan workers any more.
They can go work in Egypt if they want, but they are not welcome in Israel anymore.

Gazan will get peace for peace. If they want war, Israel will react accordingly.
All this Turkey talk is just wishful thinking, nothing to do with Israel.

Gazans do not get peace for peace. Gazans get hell for peace. 100,000 homeless, power shortages make it difficult to even do operations, safe water is hard to find, the entire population is traumatised especially children. A significant number of the children now suffer from low growth due to malnutrition = something which can never be corrected and will in adulthood result in reduced IQ. Even new born babies are harmed by anemia by the siege
http://www.imemc.org/article/55049

Gaza is a warehouse for human beings to suffer in until Israel believes that the west has become sufficiently neo Nazi that it can commit mass murder/forceful expulsion from there and the sad thing is it may not be too long till we are.

The supposed deal with Gaza is to finalise the division of Palestine begun with the Israeli withdrawal and stop a proper solution for the Palestinians.

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Israelis do not want Gazan workers any more.
They can go work in Egypt if they want, but they are not welcome in Israel anymore.

Gazan will get peace for peace. If they want war, Israel will react accordingly.
All this Turkey talk is just wishful thinking, nothing to do with Israel.

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Quote from: Gijina on August 18, 2015, 02:14:39 PM

Cheap labor for the Israelis, and high import taxes to Gaza via 2 tax ports before anything reaches Gaza.

Win win for the Israelis.

What tax port ? you are making things up, if its Gaza port Hamas will collect taxes, btw, they already do for any incoming supplies from Israel.

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Quote from: Gijina on August 18, 2015, 02:14:39 PM

Cheap labor for the Israelis, and high import taxes to Gaza via 2 tax ports before anything reaches Gaza.

Win win for the Israelis.

Israel already has more than enough cheap labor, hundreds of thousands laborers from South-East Asia, the Phillipines etc, Israel can have half of Africa if it wanted to. It's win-win for the Palestinians but it's not what it's all about is it? For self-proclaimed pro-Palestinian supporters it's all about the elimination of Israel and nothing else.

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Cheap labor for the Israelis, and high import taxes to Gaza via 2 tax ports before anything reaches Gaza.

Win win for the Israelis.

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The absense of cheering excited "peace-loving" pro-Palestinian advocates aka (Israel hate mob) in this thread is also noted.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 18, 2015, 02:12:58 PM

You are right but Hamas is not agreeing to peace, it's offering hudna - a long term truce on conditions hopefully acceptable to Israel. Their original demand (a few years ago) was hudna in exchange for full Israel withdrawal to 1967 border, the right of return and mass harakiri of all zionists on the planet or something like that Now it's a far more reasonable postion - truce in exchange for no rockets, no tunnels and jobs for Gazans.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

Sadly, I have very little faith in Hamas... Someone will fire rocket then another, Israel will proportionately retaliate. Rinse, repeat. Bye, bye Gaza seaport.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Quote from: little.cheekie on August 18, 2015, 02:07:58 PM

There will be no peace. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and has proven, time and time again, that it doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about its own people.

You are right but Hamas is not agreeing to peace, it's offering hudna - a long term truce on conditions hopefully acceptable to Israel. Their original demand (a few years ago) was hudna in exchange for full Israel withdrawal to 1967 border, the right of return and mass harakiri of all zionists on the planet or something like that Now it's a far more reasonable postion - truce in exchange for no rockets, no tunnels and jobs for Gazans.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

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Quote from: little.cheekie on August 18, 2015, 02:07:58 PM

There will be no peace. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and has proven, time and time again, that it doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about its own people.

If it's gonna happen, bye bye floating but nonetheless a real seaport... No, I think Israel has nothing to lose in this deal.

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I was thinking ...

similar deals are quite dangerous for politicians ... remember Rabin: he had killed by a Jewish extremist just because he was looking for peace ...

But this time I would expect that an extremist of Hamas could kill his own leaders.

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Quote from: eaglerock on August 18, 2015, 01:59:25 PM

In 2002 the Saudi Peace initiative offered trade and recognition as well as a guarantee of Israel's security. The Arab world was optimistic and abuzz with plans to develop infrastructure and jobs for the Palestinians and Gaza.

The arabs rejected that deal.

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"actually, he's a bit of a liar"

Sounds like you just described 98% of every politician that's held/ran for an office.........in this world!

Think that 's why many lawyers become politicians.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 18, 2015, 01:57:45 PM

yes, cause peace is such a horrible thing

There will be no peace. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and has proven, time and time again, that it doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about its own people.

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 18, 2015, 02:06:10 PM

Yes indeed. However, Israel's security is always in Israel's hands and will never be entrusted to any Arab state or be relied upon their guaranties.

and your point is?

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 18, 2015, 02:05:35 PM

and yet the peace deals with Egypt and Jordan have been pretty good.

how about that

Yes indeed. However, Israel's security is always in Israel's hands and will never be entrusted to any Arab state or be relied upon their guaranties.

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 18, 2015, 02:04:56 PM

eaglerock , trusting Arabs with security of the Jews is an oxymoron.

and yet the peace deals with Egypt and Jordan have been pretty good.

how about that

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Quote from: eaglerock on August 18, 2015, 01:59:25 PM

In 2002 the Saudi Peace initiative offered trade and recognition as well as a guarantee of Israel's security. The Arab world was optimistic and abuzz with plans to develop infrastructure and jobs for the Palestinians and Gaza.

eaglerock , trusting Arabs with security of the Jews is an oxymoron.

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 18, 2015, 02:01:05 PM

I have to trust Netanyahu - he always act in the best interest of Israel and Israelis.

actually, he's a bit of a liar.

but this deal looks good

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Never ending parties are what Im into.

None of these countries have access to the sea and never beatch about. Why should West Bank?

One group has been cutting off the other from its people. Its like stabbing some one in the eye and not expecting them to react to it.
If history has shown us anything,peace will be temporary and it will be back to business.

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