Topic: Hand Control to the Establishment: Arrest the Early Adopters - page 2. (Read 4178 times)

Forget illegal. This is what happens when a bunch of weak ass kids in 20 something year old bodies pretend they got it all made and try to run their 'crypto empire' from behind a laptop.

Deal wit it, bitches

It's a huge stretch to say knowingly and willingly advertising/selling bitcoins on an illegal drug website is simply "playing around with bitcions".

This arrest has nothing to do with bitcoin or early adopters or any such thing. It has to do with people willingly and knowingly being involved with illegal drug sales.  Regardless of what your views are on the war on drugs, everyone should have the brain power to know they are still illegal.

a question though, since you deal in FIAT to buy things you are effectively stealing from others by every transaction due to  nature of FIAT. FIAT steals work/value from individuals.....by a myriad of scheme e.g. no competition of currency, differential of taxation, quantitative easing, only state issuers. It's merely we are educated to look upon the en-masse stealing of use of state issued FIAT as legitimate.

I know what you mean by "stealing" and I agree, but thats a very obvious clear form of stealing that is no where near the stealing/acquisition of value and wealth transfer made by every transaction by every FIAT actor.

The victim is very likely out $1M.

Some God damn fucking tweaker scum stole an old riding tractor from me a while ago.  He probably got $1 for it at the scrap yard.  It was worth 100x that to me because it had sentimental value and I had plans for it.

As soon as you start doing stupid and criminal things you are responsible for the losses that result as far as I am concerned.  Don't like it?  Don't steal from people.

Life isn't fair.

I really dont think something like that would even be close to fair, convicting someone for stealing an item when the item was worth $1 is much different when $1,000,000 (if the thief is being convicted for stealing $1,000,000). That is completely unfair -the loss the victim suffered should be based on the exchange rate at the time. Thats like say stealing a penny, but then there's is a massive copper shortage, and pennies are now worth 100x their original face value. Would the thief be convicted for stealing the original face value at the time it was stolen, or the new much higher value? I think the first is WAY more fair. Pretty far shot example, but it's the same concept.

I don't think the FBI arrested him for "mucking about with bitcoins for a giggle". Not saying he is innocent or guilty of anything, just that the charge sheet is unlikely to read "having fun".

One of the very first bitcoin transactions I did was over PayPal.  The Vietnamese kid (?) got all screwed up with PayPal.  After I had the BTC, sent him some extra $US so he could un-fuck himself and break free of PayPal.  He kindly sent me the money back when this was accomplished.  (This probably gave us both a somewhat false sense of the community...oh well.  It was a calculated risk, and $20 to me was probably a lot more to most people in Vietnam.)

Anyway, it would never give me pleasure to steal anyone's Bitcoin, identity, $US, bucky-balls, or anything else.  I think the last thing 'stole' was a balsa-wood airplane to which I affixed the wrong price tag when I was about 10.  It still bothers me 35 years later.  Someone who did find these things fun is someone who well might be inclined to do it again.  Frankly I'm happy to have them identified at least (so I can avoid them), and I'm sure not going to shed to many tears for them if they need to pay for their indiscretions.  At least if the punishment fits the crime.

Shrem engaged in known criminal activity with the intent of enriching himself, but he was providing a service which was in demand and not engaging in straight theft of fraud against individuals from what I read.  Someone who flat out steal from people is much worse in my book.  Even if it is for 'less than $1000 worth of play money' and even if it was several years ago.

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Have you personally experienced and lived in any other form of governance that even attempts at such things?

LOL being a mouthy ass critic is fun until you actually have to face the reality of your words. Little pussies who take potshots at their posh surrounding are in for a rude surprise, just like that coward snowden.

Democracy? LOL.

Waking up will take something other than a bunch of internet che guevara wannabes, who btw got his ass holed in while in the jungles of bolivia because reality turned out a little different than his fantasies.

Your kind are the easiest to manipulate. This kind of juvenile bullshit 'rah rah rah fite da powa' is not freedom, neither is it 'exercising your rights'. It's just a whole lot of bitching.

Fish rots from the head. Head of democracy is supposed to be level-headed, courageous and responsible people who have some back bone. Since we got a bunch of internet cunts acting the role, you are the greatest contributor to the degradation of democratic values and freedom - simply because you don't have what it takes to deserve them.

Look to yourself before getting mouthy with the 'establishment'. Can't even take a breather to stop bitching and barking at 'THE MAN'.

I'd say most Americans lack a knowledge of what freedom means, from a constitutional perspective. They've been raised (as was I!)  in this system with all the messages and such... Most never really question what they're taught. They just follow the herd, keep their heads down, follow celebrities.

"waking up" as it were, takes a lot of effort and can be frankly painful. Most people resist it with everything they have.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Bitcoin will NEVER be outlawed in the U.S. or anywhere in the "western world".

They will, rather, use their massive surveillance apparatus to silently show up one morning at your house, shoot your dog, and "arrest" you for your alleged "connection" to s/d. This is much easier for them and you see a very similar thing already happening to protesters in Europe and around the world.
Your guns/plane-tickets should rather be ready before that happens!

Unprosecuted systemic election tampering and violence against Ron Paul/libertarians at Republican conventions does not mean most Americans hate freedom, it just means the totalitarians in unchecked power do, which is obvious.

I think most american's hate freedom, they prefer regulation and security the liberty imagined in the constitution is for the "nuts" as they call Ron Paul type people. I even heard Ron once complain how hard it is to sell freedom to american's, lets face it most hate the concept and want less of it regarless of what they say just look at the actions of normal american's it's all soviet style regulations they want. So yes I expect more arests and I hope I'm wrong I'm one of the "Ron Paul Nuts"

This won't be the last "early adopter" to get arrested for playing around on the Silk Road. Now they have DRP by the short and curlies, he could be dropping all kinds of names ... all speculation of course.

The U.S. is a fascist police state. Stick around at your own risk. This goes for anyone btw, not just BTC hodlers.

edit: btw. they could arrest anyone who ever held a bitcoin. Just claim that they were transferred to you one time from a s/d address. The burden of proof is on you. To hell with the constitution and habeas corpus!
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I don't think the government would think of it like 'retroactive'. For example with Pirate, (not DPR but the ponzi scheme pirate) he argued in court that the SEC didn't have standing as Bitcoin wasn't real money, (and it wasn't at the time) but a judge says, "Looks like money, smells like money, buys like money- it's money" and just like that Bitcoin came under SEC regulations. It might feel retrospective, but the government could easily say if bitcoin is money, then it's money since the day satoshi powered up his first copy of the bitcoin software. So it would feel retroactive.

I also don't have much sympathy, but thats neither here nor there.

allegedly.