i'm officialy doing POD provided by CryptoAsian 
GOOD dev but what a such delay.. 9 days to ICO end and you do POD now? Anyway it's a great news
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October 15, 2014, 01:13:29 AM
GOOD dev but what a such delay.. 9 days to ICO end and you do POD now? Anyway it's a great news
October 14, 2014, 05:16:26 PM
i'm officialy doing POD provided by CryptoAsian
what a great new
October 14, 2014, 05:03:03 PM
i'm officialy doing POD provided by CryptoAsian
October 14, 2014, 10:30:16 AM
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some stats for the x280 / x290 would be nicer since most miners have those ,, the TI is still "kinda" new to the market and arrived After the bigminer "gold"rush nov-feb.
google give me anything for 280x in hefty1.. anyway, algo efficiency doesnt depend on graphics card.. if a 750ti uses 25-30% less power with hefty1, more or less all the others graphics cards do the same.. moreover the test above use an old (not-optimezed) version of ccminer.. so this result doesnt depend on cuda optimization or something similar..
in other words, you take a GPU (any) and it uses 25-30% power less than average of others algos
October 14, 2014, 09:09:02 AM
How does Hefty affect electricity consumption compared to other algos?
i cannot talk of numbers because there's nothing that help me with the math in this question, but you can see this http://heavycoin.github.io/about.html.. here you can read the 4 algos composed heavy.. sha,keccak,groestl,blake, all 256bit..keccak (sha-3), groestl and blake cryptographic function are very easy to calc and they have a small use of memory..moreover heavy is a combination of only 4 algos instead x11,x13,x15 that are composed by a large number of others algos.. this mean more memory usage so more power usage and also more temps..see this to understand what i mean http://www.getpimp.org/community/blog/144-what-are-all-these-x11,-x13,-x15-algorithms-made-of.html
the only concret thing i found on google about hefty1 low power consumption is this
another important thing is the Total System Power Consumption.. it increase more than GPU power consumption going down on table.. but dont ask me why
coinsource also does POD but they verified Midascoin wich turned out not so good.
Will the coin holders share in the success of your projects ?
I didnt see any mention of that i might have missed it , If your robots and security cameras start selling like hotcakes will we get a share of that?
How would u go about giving us our dividents?
If thats the route your going i think your not asking for enough money to properly market and sell your toys u will need more.
If we dont get any of the proceeds of the future buisness then im confused as to what that information is doing in the ann.
Will the coin holders share in the success of your projects ?
I didnt see any mention of that i might have missed it , If your robots and security cameras start selling like hotcakes will we get a share of that?
How would u go about giving us our dividents?
If thats the route your going i think your not asking for enough money to properly market and sell your toys u will need more.
If we dont get any of the proceeds of the future buisness then im confused as to what that information is doing in the ann.
excuse me man.. im really happy to see someone so interested..but.. what do you think we will do with 20 btc, if we collect them?
these BTCs are more or less our Business Capital.. so all of you are shareholders man.. all ICO investors.. if we collect for example 10BTC, we will have to pay at least 2-3 btc for logocreator, OP creator, advertise campaign.. and others.. the rest will be used to buy the first big stock of goods.. and is that is the amount which we will use to calc shares.. every year we will publish our corporate balance sheet on our future website (in our country it is musted for a company, the year balance must be published on the website).. and with that balance all ICO investors can see if they are paid for the corrispondent amount invested..Our Fiscal Law is really really permissive
without this we couldnt collect funds from crypto world EDIT: if we dont reach at least 5 btc we refund all investors and the coin will be launched anyway, we will search funds somewhere else and our product and our market will be created in any case.. and value of the coin will always depend on which success our product will have
Well i was Assuming that was the case i just didnt read it anywhere. I just wanted things to be Clear cuz if it wasnt clear to me im sure others had the same questions.
I still think your not asking for enough money , i think you have enough to get started on your build website and maybe even a little stock but as an investor id like to see u get a little more marketing capital.
That will Make or break your buisness the ability to get people to your site and see your Toys im sure there is a market of people interrested in what your making and will make in the future but getting to people to your site to buy is the Biggest hurdle and shouldnt be underestimated.
U could consider doing a second investment round ,(u will need to reserve some coins for this) to pay for additional marketing.
This second round would have a Higher Price since you would have your first round of investments done.(to reward early investors.)
Man you are talking well.. finally someone that understand our plan.. the only thing i dont understand is why do you think we dont have enough capital.. you must think that our ICO is 20 btc in total.. ok, it doesnt going well, i know.. probably for many reasons:
1) we are absolutly new here, we are even noob maybe, in an offend sense..we dont know how and where advertise, where do a POD, even i dindt know what escrow is..we are engineers and accountants, not miners or altcoin-strategists.. sorry!!;
2) people dont like (yet) this kind of coin, prbably because this is a really new kind of project in alt-coin world.. no coins yet are releated with a company and no coins can buy something touchable but ASIC miners, that are anyway releated with this "world".. no coin are thought to begin spreaded in differents markets or in day-after-day life;
3) recent BTC fall doesnt incentive people invest.. they are scared..
but our original thought was to sell 20 BTC.. if you see the OP and the old thread (link to old thread) you can see our Business Plan, our Incomings-Costs prevision, our BEP (Break even Point) analysis.. we are able to product our security lamp for 60$, raspeberry with pi-Pan and raspberry as central unit (read well OP and old thread to understand) for a total of 110$, included uman work and designer work.. with 20 btc at 450$ we can buy goods, materials and human work to produce 40-50 items.. i think this is a good start man, there are too many risks in make the fundraising for 30-40 BTC.. if people wont like our core market we would be insolvent and we will have a big stock of unused (and unuseful) goods and materials.. and also investors will be unhappy
so we think it is better start with 20 btc stock (~40 items), sell it with a big Murkup (only for the first 3-4 production-cycles) and with this high Markup we can finance the next production-cycle.. the great (for a business) thing of alt-coin currencies and in general of e-commerce is that payments are made at moment of the order/delivery.. it means: no bank credit to finance next production-cycle.. are you starting understand? with internet payments, with a big markup for the first 3-4 production-cycles, we can continue the production without others funds and with a low risk..
To all people: please read carefully the lines above !
instead i think are interesting these your words:
So if we send BTC, we get to own "shares" or coins, in...? Some commercial entity? Not a PTY LTD entity....so what is it and what does it own?
first of all please read my above post.. after that read the OP and the old thread.. in the OP and in pages of old thread i explained your questions
Thanks to all!
some stats for the x280 / x290 would be nicer since most miners have those ,, the TI is still "kinda" new to the market and arrived After the bigminer "gold"rush nov-feb.
October 14, 2014, 01:56:01 AM
How does Hefty affect electricity consumption compared to other algos?
i cannot talk of numbers because there's nothing that help me with the math in this question, but you can see this http://heavycoin.github.io/about.html.. here you can read the 4 algos composed heavy.. sha,keccak,groestl,blake, all 256bit..keccak (sha-3), groestl and blake cryptographic function are very easy to calc and they have a small use of memory..moreover heavy is a combination of only 4 algos instead x11,x13,x15 that are composed by a large number of others algos.. this mean more memory usage so more power usage and also more temps..see this to understand what i mean http://www.getpimp.org/community/blog/144-what-are-all-these-x11,-x13,-x15-algorithms-made-of.html
the only concret thing i found on google about hefty1 low power consumption is this
another important thing is the Total System Power Consumption.. it increase more than GPU power consumption going down on table.. but dont ask me why
coinsource also does POD but they verified Midascoin wich turned out not so good.
Will the coin holders share in the success of your projects ?
I didnt see any mention of that i might have missed it , If your robots and security cameras start selling like hotcakes will we get a share of that?
How would u go about giving us our dividents?
If thats the route your going i think your not asking for enough money to properly market and sell your toys u will need more.
If we dont get any of the proceeds of the future buisness then im confused as to what that information is doing in the ann.
Will the coin holders share in the success of your projects ?
I didnt see any mention of that i might have missed it , If your robots and security cameras start selling like hotcakes will we get a share of that?
How would u go about giving us our dividents?
If thats the route your going i think your not asking for enough money to properly market and sell your toys u will need more.
If we dont get any of the proceeds of the future buisness then im confused as to what that information is doing in the ann.
excuse me man.. im really happy to see someone so interested..but.. what do you think we will do with 20 btc, if we collect them?
these BTCs are more or less our Business Capital.. so all of you are shareholders man.. all ICO investors.. if we collect for example 10BTC, we will have to pay at least 2-3 btc for logocreator, OP creator, advertise campaign.. and others.. the rest will be used to buy the first big stock of goods.. and is that is the amount which we will use to calc shares.. every year we will publish our corporate balance sheet on our future website (in our country it is musted for a company, the year balance must be published on the website).. and with that balance all ICO investors can see if they are paid for the corrispondent amount invested..Our Fiscal Law is really really permissive
without this we couldnt collect funds from crypto world EDIT: if we dont reach at least 5 btc we refund all investors and the coin will be launched anyway, we will search funds somewhere else and our product and our market will be created in any case.. and value of the coin will always depend on which success our product will have
Well i was Assuming that was the case i just didnt read it anywhere. I just wanted things to be Clear cuz if it wasnt clear to me im sure others had the same questions.
I still think your not asking for enough money , i think you have enough to get started on your build website and maybe even a little stock but as an investor id like to see u get a little more marketing capital.
That will Make or break your buisness the ability to get people to your site and see your Toys im sure there is a market of people interrested in what your making and will make in the future but getting to people to your site to buy is the Biggest hurdle and shouldnt be underestimated.
U could consider doing a second investment round ,(u will need to reserve some coins for this) to pay for additional marketing.
This second round would have a Higher Price since you would have your first round of investments done.(to reward early investors.)
Man you are talking well.. finally someone that understand our plan.. the only thing i dont understand is why do you think we dont have enough capital.. you must think that our ICO is 20 btc in total.. ok, it doesnt going well, i know.. probably for many reasons:
1) we are absolutly new here, we are even noob maybe, in an offend sense..we dont know how and where advertise, where do a POD, even i dindt know what escrow is..we are engineers and accountants, not miners or altcoin-strategists.. sorry!!;
2) people dont like (yet) this kind of coin, prbably because this is a really new kind of project in alt-coin world.. no coins yet are releated with a company and no coins can buy something touchable but ASIC miners, that are anyway releated with this "world".. no coin are thought to begin spreaded in differents markets or in day-after-day life;
3) recent BTC fall doesnt incentive people invest.. they are scared..
but our original thought was to sell 20 BTC.. if you see the OP and the old thread (link to old thread) you can see our Business Plan, our Incomings-Costs prevision, our BEP (Break even Point) analysis.. we are able to product our security lamp for 60$, raspeberry with pi-Pan and raspberry as central unit (read well OP and old thread to understand) for a total of 110$, included uman work and designer work.. with 20 btc at 450$ we can buy goods, materials and human work to produce 40-50 items.. i think this is a good start man, there are too many risks in make the fundraising for 30-40 BTC.. if people wont like our core market we would be insolvent and we will have a big stock of unused (and unuseful) goods and materials.. and also investors will be unhappy
so we think it is better start with 20 btc stock (~40 items), sell it with a big Murkup (only for the first 3-4 production-cycles) and with this high Markup we can finance the next production-cycle.. the great (for a business) thing of alt-coin currencies and in general of e-commerce is that payments are made at moment of the order/delivery.. it means: no bank credit to finance next production-cycle.. are you starting understand? with internet payments, with a big markup for the first 3-4 production-cycles, we can continue the production without others funds and with a low risk..
To all people: please read carefully the lines above !
instead i think are interesting these your words:
So if we send BTC, we get to own "shares" or coins, in...? Some commercial entity? Not a PTY LTD entity....so what is it and what does it own?
first of all please read my above post.. after that read the OP and the old thread.. in the OP and in pages of old thread i explained your questions
Thanks to all!
October 13, 2014, 01:11:32 PM
"Are you fool"? "No we are not"!
I loled.
I loled.
Steve Jobs said: stay angry, stay foolish
So here we are
EDIT: oh..i missed something.. he also said: "Only people that is enough crazy to think they can change the world, in the end they really change it."
again.. here we are
EDIT2: i missed something else.. he also said: "if someone doesnt like a coin, simply he must stay 20miles from it because FUDs are things for kiddy noobs"
October 13, 2014, 11:49:42 AM
"Are you fool"? "No we are not"!
I loled.
I loled.
October 13, 2014, 06:24:15 AM
my thought is only that solo mining can ensure more fairer distribution because is more hard to mine with Mining Rig Rentals..
Nope. The pool mining has a good advantage: miners get coins continuously! Imagine: there are 2 miners, one with a large hashpower, other with small hashpower. If the small miner has a big unlucky, he run the rig days without coin. While, in pool mining, the smaller miner get every hour/day/etc a small coins.And if someone want to use a rig rentals, he just setup an own stratum server, and point the rented rig to this. so solomine doesnt prevent rentals.
The solo mining works only, if everyone have almost the same hashpower. But it is not...
moreover, i see often at the launch of the coin some pools dont work.. and people FUD In thread.. i dont want this.. so, wallet in OP, download, mine.. stop.. pool will be set up later when the launch is ok.. also because if there is some problem with launch, we paid pools server for nothing (our pool, dns, website and e-commerce servers will be hosted by digital ocean i think, i have to talk with dev about it )..
anyway for is also ok if solo is for first 1 week instead of first day.. let see what others miners say
You can handle it easy: the first 100/200/1000 blocks have 0 reward, so pools have time to setup (100/200/etc min) the system. (our pool, dns, website and e-commerce servers will be hosted by digital ocean i think, i have to talk with dev about it ).. anyway for is also ok if solo is for first 1 week instead of first day.. let see what others miners say
this so not quite true.. if you take a part the case which diff is so high (i mean more than 150-200), mine in solo and in pool is more or less the same.. and personally i dont think that diff can raise over 200 on first day.. so probably the first day will be of solo.. but only the first day, after we will set up pools.. this is my thought.. but let see what all miners say.. i can change reward or set up pool in one-two days, so we have time until the 21 October to see what happen
October 13, 2014, 05:47:03 AM
my thought is only that solo mining can ensure more fairer distribution because is more hard to mine with Mining Rig Rentals..
Nope. The pool mining has a good advantage: miners get coins continuously! Imagine: there are 2 miners, one with a large hashpower, other with small hashpower. If the small miner has a big unlucky, he run the rig days without coin. While, in pool mining, the smaller miner get every hour/day/etc a small coins.And if someone want to use a rig rentals, he just setup an own stratum server, and point the rented rig to this. so solomine doesnt prevent rentals.
The solo mining works only, if everyone have almost the same hashpower. But it is not...
moreover, i see often at the launch of the coin some pools dont work.. and people FUD In thread.. i dont want this.. so, wallet in OP, download, mine.. stop.. pool will be set up later when the launch is ok.. also because if there is some problem with launch, we paid pools server for nothing (our pool, dns, website and e-commerce servers will be hosted by digital ocean i think, i have to talk with dev about it )..
anyway for is also ok if solo is for first 1 week instead of first day.. let see what others miners say
You can handle it easy: the first 100/200/1000 blocks have 0 reward, so pools have time to setup (100/200/etc min) the system. (our pool, dns, website and e-commerce servers will be hosted by digital ocean i think, i have to talk with dev about it ).. anyway for is also ok if solo is for first 1 week instead of first day.. let see what others miners say
October 13, 2014, 03:41:42 AM
dev i saw in OP that first day will be of SOLO-MINING.. why dont leave it for first week, where reward are higher? 1 week of solo and then your pool..
after invested in it, i will also mine scsy
after invested in it, i will also mine scsy
let see what miners say about it, i will not mine my own coin so i dont mind if solo is 1 day or 1 week
my thought is only that solo mining can ensure more fairer distribution because is more hard to mine with Mining Rig Rentals.. moreover, i see often at the launch of the coin some pools dont work.. and people FUD In thread.. i dont want this.. so, wallet in OP, download, mine.. stop.. pool will be set up later when the launch is ok.. also because if there is some problem with launch, we paid pools server for nothing (our pool, dns, website and e-commerce servers will be hosted by digital ocean i think, i have to talk with dev about it ).. anyway for is also ok if solo is for first 1 week instead of first day.. let see what others miners say
October 12, 2014, 05:18:11 PM
dev i saw in OP that first day will be of SOLO-MINING.. why dont leave it for first week, where reward are higher? 1 week of solo and then your pool..
after invested in it, i will also mine scsy
after invested in it, i will also mine scsy
October 12, 2014, 12:42:02 PM
People we are starting an advertise campaign provided by cryptotrands !
We will pay 0.033 BTC to the user btcltcigger.. so if you see the transaction from the ICO address, now you know why..
We will pay 0.033 BTC to the user btcltcigger.. so if you see the transaction from the ICO address, now you know why..
October 12, 2014, 11:45:29 AM
October 12, 2014, 08:19:16 AM
dev, what time the official launch, set the countdown and update detailed information, thank you!
countdown added in OP!
October 12, 2014, 07:54:18 AM
Hmm.... all these coin threads now don't have .conf setup files or mining setup guides.
Im mining x15 shitcoin at the moment. Whats best way to start mining this?
Im mining x15 shitcoin at the moment. Whats best way to start mining this?
we will post .conf once wallet is ready.. anyway i can tell you some infos, so you will be ready
Dir: securitysyscoin
file: securitysyscoin.conf
rpcport=23119
port=23118
rpcuser=everything
rpcpassword=everythingbutatleast10carachters
addnode= [not ready]
than always same things:
listen=1
server=1
deamon=1
THE FIRST DAY OF MINING WILL BE WITHOUT POOLS..ONLY SOLO..then..FOR AT LEAST 2-3 MONTH YOU CAN USE ONLY OUR OFFICIAL POOL.
all clear?
Ok - sounds good - Ill keep my eyes open and ears peeled
Man see the OP, i added infos from old thread
Ok this is cool. All the best with the coin, you can count on me for support and some investment.
thanks man
October 12, 2014, 07:42:57 AM
Hmm.... all these coin threads now don't have .conf setup files or mining setup guides.
Im mining x15 shitcoin at the moment. Whats best way to start mining this?
Im mining x15 shitcoin at the moment. Whats best way to start mining this?
we will post .conf once wallet is ready.. anyway i can tell you some infos, so you will be ready
Dir: securitysyscoin
file: securitysyscoin.conf
rpcport=23119
port=23118
rpcuser=everything
rpcpassword=everythingbutatleast10carachters
addnode= [not ready]
than always same things:
listen=1
server=1
deamon=1
THE FIRST DAY OF MINING WILL BE WITHOUT POOLS..ONLY SOLO..then..FOR AT LEAST 2-3 MONTH YOU CAN USE ONLY OUR OFFICIAL POOL.
all clear?
Ok - sounds good - Ill keep my eyes open and ears peeled
Man see the OP, i added infos from old thread
October 12, 2014, 07:26:06 AM
Hmm.... all these coin threads now don't have .conf setup files or mining setup guides.
Im mining x15 shitcoin at the moment. Whats best way to start mining this?
Im mining x15 shitcoin at the moment. Whats best way to start mining this?
we will post .conf once wallet is ready.. anyway i can tell you some infos, so you will be ready
Dir: securitysyscoin
file: securitysyscoin.conf
rpcport=23119
port=23118
rpcuser=everything
rpcpassword=everythingbutatleast10carachters
addnode= [not ready]
than always same things:
listen=1
server=1
deamon=1
THE FIRST DAY OF MINING WILL BE WITHOUT POOLS..ONLY SOLO..then..FOR AT LEAST 2-3 MONTH YOU CAN USE ONLY OUR OFFICIAL POOL.
all clear?
October 12, 2014, 07:11:31 AM
How does Hefty affect electricity consumption compared to other algos?
i cannot talk of numbers because there's nothing that help me with the math in this question, but you can see this http://heavycoin.github.io/about.html.. here you can read the 4 algos composed heavy.. sha,keccak,groestl,blake, all 256bit..keccak (sha-3), groestl and blake cryptographic function are very easy to calc and they have a small use of memory..moreover heavy is a combination of only 4 algos instead x11,x13,x15 that are composed by a large number of others algos.. this mean more memory usage so more power usage and also more temps..see this to understand what i mean http://www.getpimp.org/community/blog/144-what-are-all-these-x11,-x13,-x15-algorithms-made-of.html
the only concret thing i found on google about hefty1 low power consumption is this
another important thing is the Total System Power Consumption.. it increase more than GPU power consumption going down on table.. but dont ask me why
coinsource also does POD but they verified Midascoin wich turned out not so good.
Will the coin holders share in the success of your projects ?
I didnt see any mention of that i might have missed it , If your robots and security cameras start selling like hotcakes will we get a share of that?
How would u go about giving us our dividents?
If thats the route your going i think your not asking for enough money to properly market and sell your toys u will need more.
If we dont get any of the proceeds of the future buisness then im confused as to what that information is doing in the ann.
Will the coin holders share in the success of your projects ?
I didnt see any mention of that i might have missed it , If your robots and security cameras start selling like hotcakes will we get a share of that?
How would u go about giving us our dividents?
If thats the route your going i think your not asking for enough money to properly market and sell your toys u will need more.
If we dont get any of the proceeds of the future buisness then im confused as to what that information is doing in the ann.
excuse me man.. im really happy to see someone so interested..but.. what do you think we will do with 20 btc, if we collect them?
these BTCs are more or less our Business Capital.. so all of you are shareholders man.. all ICO investors.. if we collect for example 10BTC, we will have to pay at least 2-3 btc for logocreator, OP creator, advertise campaign.. and others.. the rest will be used to buy the first big stock of goods.. and is that is the amount which we will use to calc shares.. every year we will publish our corporate balance sheet on our future website (in our country it is musted for a company, the year balance must be published on the website).. and with that balance all ICO investors can see if they are paid for the corrispondent amount invested..Our Fiscal Law is really really permissive
without this we couldnt collect funds from crypto world EDIT: if we dont reach at least 5 btc we refund all investors and the coin will be launched anyway, we will search funds somewhere else and our product and our market will be created in any case.. and value of the coin will always depend on which success our product will have
Well i was Assuming that was the case i just didnt read it anywhere. I just wanted things to be Clear cuz if it wasnt clear to me im sure others had the same questions.
I still think your not asking for enough money , i think you have enough to get started on your build website and maybe even a little stock but as an investor id like to see u get a little more marketing capital.
That will Make or break your buisness the ability to get people to your site and see your Toys im sure there is a market of people interrested in what your making and will make in the future but getting to people to your site to buy is the Biggest hurdle and shouldnt be underestimated.
U could consider doing a second investment round ,(u will need to reserve some coins for this) to pay for additional marketing.
This second round would have a Higher Price since you would have your first round of investments done.(to reward early investors.)
Man you are talking well.. finally someone that understand our plan.. the only thing i dont understand is why do you think we dont have enough capital.. you must think that our ICO is 20 btc in total.. ok, it doesnt going well, i know.. probably for many reasons:
1) we are absolutly new here, we are even noob maybe, in an offend sense..we dont know how and where advertise, where do a POD, even i dindt know what escrow is..we are engineers and accountants, not miners or altcoin-strategists.. sorry!!;
2) people dont like (yet) this kind of coin, prbably because this is a really new kind of project in alt-coin world.. no coins yet are releated with a company and no coins can buy something touchable but ASIC miners, that are anyway releated with this "world".. no coin are thought to begin spreaded in differents markets or in day-after-day life;
3) recent BTC fall doesnt incentive people invest.. they are scared..
but our original thought was to sell 20 BTC.. if you see the OP and the old thread (link to old thread) you can see our Business Plan, our Incomings-Costs prevision, our BEP (Break even Point) analysis.. we are able to product our security lamp for 60$, raspeberry with pi-Pan and raspberry as central unit (read well OP and old thread to understand) for a total of 110$, included uman work and designer work.. with 20 btc at 450$ we can buy goods, materials and human work to produce 40-50 items.. i think this is a good start man, there are too many risks in make the fundraising for 30-40 BTC.. if people wont like our core market we would be insolvent and we will have a big stock of unused (and unuseful) goods and materials.. and also investors will be unhappy
so we think it is better start with 20 btc stock (~40 items), sell it with a big Murkup (only for the first 3-4 production-cycles) and with this high Markup we can finance the next production-cycle.. the great (for a business) thing of alt-coin currencies and in general of e-commerce is that payments are made at moment of the order/delivery.. it means: no bank credit to finance next production-cycle.. are you starting understand? with internet payments, with a big markup for the first 3-4 production-cycles, we can continue the production without others funds and with a low risk..
To all people: please read carefully the lines above !
instead i think are interesting these your words:
So if we send BTC, we get to own "shares" or coins, in...? Some commercial entity? Not a PTY LTD entity....so what is it and what does it own?
first of all please read my above post.. after that read the OP and the old thread.. in the OP and in pages of old thread i explained your questions
Thanks to all!
October 12, 2014, 04:17:02 AM
So if we send BTC, we get to own "shares" or coins, in...? Some commercial entity? Not a PTY LTD entity....so what is it and what does it own?
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