Topic: Has Bitcoin Foundation done anything to help with recent developments? (Read 2061 times)

Augusto Croppo -- thanks for the post. Reading it now



Done. Good riddance fucking dickhead

People need to remember that they're basically a private lobby group which sets their own agenda.  If people want a group which represents a particular Bitcoin agenda (and there are many conflicting agendas within the Bitcoin community), it's up to them to form their own organisations for tha purpose - as happens with every other cause.

This is what Bitcoin Foundation claims to have done since its creation.

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/752-the-good-and-useful-things-the-foundation-has-done-for-us-members-compiled-by-dr-brian-goss/

To understand what is the Bitcoin Foundation you have to understand where it come from. The idea of a foundation for the Bitcoin software came originally from Gavin Andresen, the core developer which was trusted by Satoshi Nakamoto to look after the Bitcoin open source code. On 25th October  2011 he proposed the idea for the first time:


After almost one whole year, on 27th September 2012, Gavin Andresen announced the formation of the Bitcoin Foundation:


I advise anyone new to this forum to read the next threads from the begin to the end to have a better understanding what was the real purpose of the foundation. Once you understand that, you are going to be able to compare your understanding with the present situation and observe what was achieved and what was not achieved:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-foundation-49841

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bitcoin-foundation-113400

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/regarding-the-bitcoin-foundation-113842

In the first part of my post I'm talking to you, as you seem to have no understanding of what the Bitcoin Foundation wrote in their about page. Read my post again carefully or even a couple of time as it might help you understand (I'm hoping at least).

The last sentence is meant to everyone crying bloody murder due to their losses.

And about getting the fuck out, how about no! I have every right to exprese my opinion on this board as you do and who the fuck do you think you are to say otherwise? Don't like what I said? Hit the ignore button prick.

Who are you talking to? I'm just asking what the Bitcoin Foundation does... I did not lose anything form Gox. Get the fuck out of here

The foundation has a few good eggs on board, but that being said, it's mostly worthless in terms of its contributions.  I would not like them to be considered as a representative for the bitcoin community because it's not freely open to the community.

I don't think you understood any word you read on the about page. It's basically saying the foundation is there to promote and protect the protocol itself. It isn't there to protect your coins, protect your private key or to protect you from yourself.

I just wish people would cool off and actually think logically about all of this. Unfortunately that might never be the case as people who lost Bitcoins/fiat are emotionally invested and will only ever see this as someone else who has wronged them.

Everyone will be much better off once (and if) they realize that #1 The Bitcoin Foundation is just a group of people who promote, protect and who strongly believe in the protocol of Bitcoin itself (nothing more, nothing less) and #2 The blame of losing Bitcoins/fiat in MtGOX rests squarely on the shoulders of those who lost Bitcoins/fiat in MtGOX. You chose to take a risk; a risk that involved putting your money (weather Bitcoin or fiat) into an unregulated and young technology that still has very obvious flaws (the human factor being the most prominent one at this time).

Man up, grow a pair, get the fuck over it and move along.

( spellcheck etcnot working, typing thru an app-sorry about the grammar )

This "foundation" doesn't represent me (or us seemingly) and from what I've gathered is a foundation of self serving individuals using this entity as a second level marketing tool for their own personal or business interests (or both) and are probably leveraged in for the simple reason they just got the domain name first....

If this is not the case then what ARE they doing with all the money and perks they are collecting for memberships with this non taxable .org ?
((Same question asked about what Mark Karpeles (of the mt gox swindle) did with everyones money? ))

These bitcoin foundation memberships are pricey ranging from $100,000 on down .... You would think that at that level of membership fees (that only allow you to volunteer and not to vote) that the foundation would be well known as helpful in the community and not in question about what they are doing for their fees and the perks received from these self appointed positions...  

I originally thought the Bitcoin foundation was an org that was members voted in by the bitcoin community .... It's not...

>Per their website it's a "foundation" that charges for membership so people can "provide input on foundation initiatives, join a committee, or volunteer" (?pay to help)
but yet it also says "you can [only] do so by donating" it then goes on "but note that donors do not receive member voting rights or other benefits" ()
 And yet goes on "to promote transparency and enforce fair voting procedures we require a real name and address for all members" ()... What?...      
-cant we do that for free in the forums?

>So its pay to be a volunteer and give them free input but have no voting rights or other benefits??  AND give personal info for voting rights you don't have
Hmmm sounds pricey to me.. (No wonder their forum has only 1423 people)

And yet why is it that people are asking "what have they actually done?"....shouldnt we already know?...maybe the community should get Bitcoin-foundation (with a dash) and incorporate the top forums into a btc voted comittitee of people voted in by the community for the community....(my first vote goes to Andreas Antonopoulos)

 And why was the king pin of mt gox (mark karpeles) a member for so long during that extended mess? Per their website he was one of the founding members of this "foundation" !! (??)

And now that there is a vacant seat open at the "foundation" the only ones who can vote are the few original members -people at the top of the hierarchy, *Not the paying members OR the community-???
 
The website says: "to help people exchange resources and ideas freely" but we can do that for free on forums like this one and reddit etc without being charged or under the jurisdiction of a centralized "foundation"committee.... And isn't decentralization a major tenet of Bitcoin? A non hierarchical system that makes everyone equal ... Not a closed centralized system you have to pay to be in, and that gives paying members no actual vote to steer where it goes; votes reserved for self appointed  committee members ...

......the people in the bitcoin community that are really helping and guiding are being noticed for what they actually do (and aren't charging for bragging rights)
-google Andreas Antonopoulos as an example and listen to him for free!!!
and be inspired by someone with the true spirit of bitcoin the protocol!
and then go out and to the forums for free and voice your opinion......!!!!!

One of the things I like about Bitcoin and forums and social media is that you can freely give content and ideas out to the world and immediately get back feedback - but first you give- then people either give back positive or negative feedback -ie upvote or downvote or even give donations ...but the giving comes first ...

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What does this website "foundation" (that was originally started my Mark Karpeles) have to do or not with what happened regarding mtgox And why are they so grateful to him /yet don't mention he is the one who actually bought the domain originally??

What are these guys doing and why do we need a 'pay for' hierachical and self appointed centralized "foundation" in specifically non centralized community???
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I should have said members and not the board.

I agree on anonymity in terms of the public should not be able to discern my own wallet(s) transactions, unless I allow that (eg political campaigns that publish their addresses).  I 100% agree that needs to private and inaccessible/indiscernible unless I allow it.  But hiding my wealth gains from the government has only 1 obvious reason I can think; to avoid paying fair share of taxes.  Who I transact with is my business, as long as it isn't illegal, that much I agree with anonymity on.  So there is an obvious catch22, governments will never allow bitcoin to grow unless they can peer into transactions and associate addresses to people, at least most transactions. By grow, I mean allowing banks to deal with coins, and possibly even whether merchants are allowed to...the point at which bitcoin becomes integrated with current systems.   I think they will only allow merchants or banks to transact with known identities behind addresses.  That's the direction it keeps moving (eg id verification required on all the exchanges).  

I disagree that security, decentralization, worldwide standard... can't come about without anonymity.  All of my transactions to date have been gated by converting my USD into bitcoin and providing ID verification and source of my income.   I've already been able to experience the security (home wallet), decentralization, worldwide standard, and no chargeback features.   Yet technically, I have anonymity from the public but not the governments who can look into the exchanges and see the addresses I have been using. If a gov official wanted to investigate me, they could easily follow my USD to exchanges to personal addresses.   It's not really that hard to build a social graph around addresses when you have all this metadata.

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From their About page:


Looks like the MtGox drama is a perfect opportunity for the BTF to be speaking in favor of bitcoin to help its reputation and integrity, counter public misunderstandings, and maybe be proactive in seeing that the victims receive some type of legal protection.

I'm not saying they should.. but they want to be the voice of bitcoin.

The TBF has done some great work in Washington. Here's a summary of their visit: http://vimeo.com/49156759

Why not read about what they do? Maybe you would understand more.
Hint: They are not the bitcoin police.

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/

That's the guy who donated $1mil worth of bitcoin to charity right? I like him too

That's an interesting perspective.  Thanks for posting it.  I'm not sure the Foundation actually has the values you attribute to it, though its composition and focus has changed over the years.  I do think they are trying a little too hard to make Bitcoin go up in value.

Regardless, even though most people could care less about anonymity, it is an essential feature.  None of the others, security, decentralization, worldwide standard, can come about unless anonymity is respected.  This is an important, though subtle, point that is not widely recognized.  Without financial privacy, centralized monetary systems can spy on you, rob you, print money, front-run your investments, and force you to accept their fiat in exchange.  This is the defining feature of fiat money.  It relies on people who can be herded and controlled like sheep.  Fiat money and the invasive "security" state are not coincidences;  they rely on each other to exist.

Awesome post  Also what about Roger Ver for your list there? I've seen some videos of him and also he is responsible for this advertisement:

And btw, I have nothing against that Asian lady in Bitcoin Foundation and I wasn't trying to sound harsh. I'm sure she has good intentions and she's extremely gorgeous
 


Hmm, I guess that is something. Although I don't think that senator even deserves a reply because he's going nowhere with his effors to ban bitcoin form the US. If it was me I would just point out his blatant hypocrisy with is stance.

http://www.manchin.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2011/4/manchin-debuts-legislation-to-increase-national-focus-on-job-creation


Andreas Antonopoulos, Erik Voorhees, Fred Wilson, and Jerry Brito are the 'bitcoin foundation' in my view... these guys understand and represent bitcoin well.

I'm against the Bitcoin Foundation and am not represented by them nor will I ever acknowledge them as leaders, example, or whatever they might want to be. They aren't elected, don't do anything different then "normal" members, you have to buy your way into it, etc. It's just a big no-go.

I am not understanding about this Foundation what are they doing Writing letter to Senator is ok but here we have some very big scams and many problems but no one coming in front to give any explanation about this we need some good and active persons in this Foundation

Actually i don't think we have the deserving and seriously Passionate+Credible members in BTC Foundation, there are so many others who are more deserving and worthy then current lot of members.! there should be some kind of transparency in selection procedure , just because someone is rich with BTC doesn't mean they represent all the BTC believers..!