Topic: Has Dash the unlicensed pyramid game run its course? - page 3. (Read 8070 times)

I didn't say I am right (I am still waitingfor that), but I know fudters are wrong until proof are presented.

This is not about trolling harder, speaking louder, creating 1000 threads every day to FUD Dash. Facts, reasoning and proof, thank you.

Bump!

The funny thing is, when I said the 'idea' was for Monero to keep its attack-Dash threads bumped, you assumed I agreed that this helped Monero - lol. 

DOUBLE BUMP!!!! :d

A wise man once told me that if you have to tell people you are right, you're mostly wrong...

bump it!

best regards

Welcome! BUMP!

You are losing the discussion dude. I can bump it myself again.  

I want to add the folowing to this:
the one this that can clearly be seen on the Monero blockchain is the mining of new coins. Also, the sum of transactions inputs and outputs (fake or real) match. So The monery supply is perfectly transparent. The transactions are opaque. A superb compromise imho

thanks for the bump dude 

best regards

1.- I'm not FUDing, so it's your work not mine. You are a regular of the thread (not me) so please summarize for our audience.

2.- Be my guest. As I always said, break it or shut up  


btw. I am still waiting a comment about this:

Attacking The Consensus System via Sybil attack
https://www.dashpay.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InstantTX.pdf


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Edit: I think I found some real facts interesting in that thread  

1. start here you lazy dasher--I joke, at least you're trying  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001642.660

2. A little too public as i'm finding out. 

Sad that so many people take these Trollero attack threads seriously, including Dash supporters.  Although I admit I did when they first started too.

The idea is (obviously) just to keep a thread bumped at the top of the alt-discussion board saying "Dash is a SCAM$(*&#@" or whatever, just like Monero is the only coin to keep a "speculation" thread bumped on the same board, with Generalize, Icebreaker (aka Eduardo de Castro Hashfast scammer / head Monero troll), G2M, debryune, wpalczynski, Smooth (Monero fake-core dev come mega-troll), FluffyPony (Monero lead-"dev" aka ex-journalist / Vertpay.com / MyMonero.com / PayBee.com / OpenRigs scammer), and all the usual trolls now in their 2nd year of posting the same tired garbage about 10,000 XMR pizzas and "it doesn't matter we are an unfinished-clone of Bytecoin and didn't add any features in 1 year and the wallet doesn't work because if you believe and troll hard enough, and ignore that it's a sh*tcoin-clone with zero development, Monero is the next Bitcoin!!!".  

Same as the other ~20 attack-Dash threads being pushed by Monero users/core-devs since Darkcoin implemented instant transactions and rebranded to actually take on Bitcoin thus leaving Monero with a big-empty "Anon-coin" bag.

Now Bytecoin has owned Monero, they are still here attacking their other competitors like Dash, one of the top alts with largest community and most unique development / innovation, while Monero's cut-and-paste wallet is now 1 year behind Bytecoin with no GUI / non-volatile blockchain, and they have got burned for it big time, but they don't care lol

Keep going Trollero®

[1] "There are other methods of attacks, so addressing one attack does not address them all" is like saying nothing.

Please be specific, then maybe I can help you or guide you  to someone who can help (or maybe you are adressing a new vector attack that we need to cover, that would be very welcomed!)

[2] Masternodes are public (for now), you are welcome!

There are other methods of attacks, so addressing one attack does not address them all. I did comment on this above, but i think you responded as I was revising it, so you missed it.

I'm researching the masternode list you linked me to earlier; it's more telling than you think. Thanks for providing it.

I don't agree that masternodes are a form of centralization.  Someone has already addressed that here, but I knew that there were half the number of nodes as bitcoin already. I heard it on a podcast.

Pre-mine and instant mine mimicks the haves and have-nots of the fiat world.  That is a big turn off.

I cannot address the cryptography issues because I am not a cryptographer. 

So, the "centralization" may be a perception issue.  That's my take on why nobody cares.

sdp

ok, I really enjoyed our conversation. If you want to spread FUD (without understanding the basics of the masternode system and assuming some paranoic statements without any proof)  i'm out.

btw. I still waiting a comment about this:

Attacking The Consensus System via Sybil attack
https://www.dashpay.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InstantTX.pdf

Citation? Look at the list you linked me to--there are a lot of nodes with 0 transaction and lot more being run off of corporate servers that are most likely working with their local spying agency. Europe and America share spy data last time i checked. This is what i mean about trusting people to follow best practices--they don't.

(citation needed)

This doesn't prove that they aren't being run on amazon servers (or american or compromised server companies). Also, why are so many nodes not receiving transactions and others receiving so many? Are they being attacked already?  

This is not, again, about "believing something", this is a fact:

http://www.dashnodes.com/index/masternodes/?sorts%5Bisp%5D=1&perPage=100

Use your fingers and count. I did.   

Funny that the most of the places listed on the masternode list are locations of Amazon servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Web_Services

If you don't want me to think masternodes are being created on Amazon servers, you should tell your dash buddies to stop making threads like this:

https://dashtalk.org/threads/reubens-masternode-setup-service-with-amazon-ec2-one-time-fee.4441/

*Also there is more than one way to attack a cryptosystem.

Refute the above and we'll come back to the other stuff.

Thanks for your answer.

I don't like a lot “general statements” like you did in your post. This is no religion or politics, so it should be based on facts.  

The only fact  that you use (this time to endorse your position) is false

The majority of the masternodes are not in amazon servers, and anyone can check it here:

http://www.dashnodes.com/index/masternodes/?sorts%5Bisp%5D=1&perPage=100

Let’s assume a large number are in amazon servers on in Evans hause, the probabilities of the network to be controlled are almost non-existent; you can check in the instant transactions white paper here:

Attacking The Consensus System via Sybil attack
https://www.dashpay.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/InstantTX.pdf

That was the easy part to refute, what i really liked was the “stupid humans” part instead of “automated systems” (like cryptonote, I assume).  You did your “general statement” so I will do mine .

I will divide in 2: Development and maintaining the system.

Development vs. “stupid humans”

As I said before, Darkcoin was a crappy coin at the begining (february 2014) when Evan was trying to implement a system based on coinjoin. Then an user called “Anonymint” (something like that)  appeared in the thread criticizing really hard Evan’s approach. And after some weeks of discussion appeared the Masternodes concept.

So, Dash can evolve of discussion, and we really thank critical posts (like the post  now we are are building here). Because this helps to evolve.

2.- “stupid humans” vs. “keeping the system safe”.

I am just an “average joe” with very limited tech or english skills, i have only a degree in sociology, imagine lol.
In the Dash community we have people from more than 30 countries, with all possible technological backgrounds, lawyers, journalists etc.

A lot of people are running all kind of servers as a profession. They are the IT crowd of several big and small companies. Do I want a automated invisible system (like cryptonote) ruling my money? What I want people from South Korea, Russia, Hong Kong, Germany, Vietnam, India, etc. That in a daily base take care of the network, understand the problems and help to fix it.

And I repeat,  we use open source code (no back doors) and Dash has a ledger. The automated machines tend to break.  We broke Dash before and it will break in the future. We have the human resources to fix and improve it.

The day the NSA will take control of cryptonote coins (and they will, because they are like God using your parameters) they will monitor the invisible blockchain and noone will notice it.

Let me make a last statement about greed and participating in the Dash community. I don’t really care about making money. I am poor, but i don’t need a lot for living so I’m ok. For me (and for the people I know personally in the Dash community) this is about politics. This is about destroying the banking system, and building something better.

(excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language)