HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 136.

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Quote from: ninjarobot on April 22, 2014, 12:58:25 AM

A good article on Ars Technica covering BFL's business practices:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/

HashFast take note because this is where you will end up if you don't change your ways.

I've been a day 1 BFL customer and a day 1 HF customer. I can honestly say that my experience with HF was/is worse and the losses greater. Not only has HF broken their stated promises, they lied directly into my face and accused me of being a windfall seeker.

This is a awesome article. I wonder how many complaints about HF have been submited to Consumer Sentinel.
BFL's fraudsters seem to be a bunch of fraud amateurs in comparison to HF.

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Quote from: pmorici on April 22, 2014, 12:01:21 AM

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Quote from: BitCoin Operated Boy on April 21, 2014, 07:40:22 AM

Do you guys know if there were actual refunds confirmed to be received by anyone here?

If so:

When they requested the refund and what was the batch/order number?
How long did they wait to receive it?
Did they sign "refund release" fu*k off form?

Thanks

Bump

There was one person in batch one that said they took the refund. Also based on HashFast's response to one of the consumer complaints submitted to the CA attorney general they said the refunded in the low 5 digits in $'s worth of orders so I would say that a solid 4-6 people have probably gotten a refund.

Thanks for the information.
I hope they end up in jail then

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Quote from: cedivad on April 21, 2014, 10:55:00 AM

(in other words, in the end it will become difficult for HF to self mine, since that they can't keep adding MWs of power and keep it safely hidden)
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And maybe that's why they are now using Garret/VMC. Hide it where everyone can see it, they say...

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According to BFL's tax returns, the company lost more than $800,000 in 2012

Tax returns are public in Italy. Too bad they are not in the US.
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Quote from: ninjarobot on April 22, 2014, 12:58:25 AM

HashFast take note because this is where you will end up if you don't change your ways.

They won't, but it's really really nice to that Sonny will go back to jail.
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Can't wait hearing similar words about HashLast - I have a feeling that this will happen soon.

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Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with.

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A good article on Ars Technica covering BFL's business practices:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/

HashFast take note because this is where you will end up if you don't change your ways.

I've been a day 1 BFL customer and a day 1 HF customer. I can honestly say that my experience with HF was/is worse and the losses greater. Not only has HF broken their stated promises, they lied directly into my face and accused me of being a windfall seeker.

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Quote from: NineLives on April 21, 2014, 09:34:29 PM

Quote from: BitCoin Operated Boy on April 21, 2014, 07:40:22 AM

Do you guys know if there were actual refunds confirmed to be received by anyone here?

If so:

When they requested the refund and what was the batch/order number?
How long did they wait to receive it?
Did they sign "refund release" fu*k off form?

Thanks

Bump

There was one person in batch one that said they took the refund. Also based on HashFast's response to one of the consumer complaints submitted to the CA attorney general they said the refunded in the low 5 digits in $'s worth of orders so I would say that a solid 4-6 people have probably gotten a refund.

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Quote from: BitCoin Operated Boy on April 21, 2014, 07:40:22 AM

Do you guys know if there were actual refunds confirmed to be received by anyone here?

If so:

When they requested the refund and what was the batch/order number?
How long did they wait to receive it?
Did they sign "refund release" fu*k off form?

Thanks

Bump

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Logistic growth curves usually ends like this:

It's hard to know at what step of the curve we are at, but we can't keep adding tens of MW of power usage per month forever.

(in other words, in the end it will become difficult for HF to self mine, since that they can't keep adding MWs of power and keep it safely hidden)
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Quote from: cedivad on April 21, 2014, 07:45:07 AM

Quote from: RoadStress on April 21, 2014, 07:33:17 AM

So they will release the refund after they send the signed refund form back to the user? Meaning that they are free to hold the signed refund form for as long as they please with the customer having no other option?

That is how i see it.
It would be interesting to see the other differences between the esign version and the 31 of dec version.
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You probably see it well. Scammer style !

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Quote from: RoadStress on April 21, 2014, 07:33:17 AM

So they will release the refund after they send the signed refund form back to the user? Meaning that they are free to hold the signed refund form for as long as they please with the customer having no other option?

That is how i see it.
It would be interesting to see the other differences between the esign version and the 31 of dec version.
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Do you guys know if there were actual refunds confirmed to be received by anyone here?

If so:

When they requested the refund and what was the batch/order number?
How long did they wait to receive it?
Did they sign "refund release" fu*k off form?

Thanks

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Quote from: cedivad on April 21, 2014, 06:58:17 AM

Quote from: bayo on April 21, 2014, 06:51:26 AM

What the hell with hashfast ? 1 Month i have full signed the order refund . And still got any money back . This is really bad for you and me WTF !! ...

Did you read it before signing it?
You didn't, right?

(waiting for your answer, before explaining to you why i know that you didn't read it)
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The only thing about delay i read is :

Hashfast will process this request no later than 30 days after the receipt of this refund request, indicated by a returned,

Hashfast signed copy to the Buyer.

So can you explain ! ?

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Quote from: cedivad on April 21, 2014, 07:21:32 AM

Sure, but that's almost natural at this point with those scammers. The reason why i'm sure he didn't read it, is:

This is the e-sign version, the one they request you to sign, not the original "refund and release" agreement.
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So they will release the refund after they send the signed refund form back to the user? Meaning that they are free to hold the signed refund form for as long as they please with the customer having no other option?

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Sure, but that's almost natural at this point with those scammers. The reason why i'm sure he didn't read it, is:

This is the e-sign version, the one they request you to sign, not the original "refund and release" agreement.
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Quote from: cedivad on April 21, 2014, 06:58:17 AM

Quote from: bayo on April 21, 2014, 06:51:26 AM

What the hell with hashfast ? 1 Month i have full signed the order refund . And still got any money back . This is really bad for you and me WTF !! ...

Did you read it before signing it?
You didn't, right?

(waiting for your answer, before explaining to you why i know that you didn't read it)
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More gimmicks there too after the full BTC refund lies?

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Quote from: bayo on April 21, 2014, 06:51:26 AM

What the hell with hashfast ? 1 Month i have full signed the order refund . And still got any money back . This is really bad for you and me WTF !! ...

Did you read it before signing it?
You didn't, right?

(waiting for your answer, before explaining to you why i know that you didn't read it)
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What the hell with hashfast ? 1 Month i have full signed the order refund . And still got any money back . This is really bad for you and me WTF !! ...

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