HashFast BabyJet users thread - page 26.

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Quote from: dropt on February 13, 2014, 12:43:00 AM

Silicon for B2 and the complete full-pull MPP were allegedly ordered months ago at the same time. Maybe they have massive yield issues?

from what I see in other threads:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5058225

35% bad systems arriving (so pure wafer yield should be a lot worse) is about the same results I got: 4 systems arrived and only 3 work fine (25% bad)

My RMA request is being postponed each time with the excuse "wait for the new firmware, it might magically fix your problem"
Great... a software solution for a hardware bug ;-)

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Quote from: starsoccer9 on February 13, 2014, 12:12:23 AM

As much as i would have liked to say that they would have shipped right away from hashfast past record we all knew that wasnt going to happen. Tho I really dont see what is causing the delays. I mean the MPP is simple more modules. My assumtion is that they used MPP for batch 2 while the old batch 2 will become our MPP.

Silicon for B2 and the complete full-pull MPP were allegedly ordered months ago at the same time. Maybe they have massive yield issues?

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Quote from: spectre2112 on February 12, 2014, 09:04:57 PM

So, while they may not have been "offered" at the time of purchase, ALL Batch 1 orders should be covered by the MPP since they were "GIVEN RETROACTIVELY."

Or am I misunderstanding something?

I think you are understanding correctly. It doesn't seem to say WHEN you'll be given the extra hashing capacity. From what I understand we aren't just sitting on boards, as soon as they get made, they get shipped. Nothing is lingering. I think the reason must be that the current production is going to people who paid for normal orders, then after that everyone get's their MPP stuff (Don't quote me, again not my area, I'm assuming here.)

If I were a customer waiting for my first board, I'd probably be pretty pissed if I knew people were getting their free MPP boards before I got my paid unit!

Please people, this is the last question I'm going to answer. I CANNOT HELP ON THESE ISSUES!

If people want to persist, I'll simply go back to my paid job and quit putting in all this extra non-paid time on helping everyone.

This is officially a NO WHINING ZONE!

-Phil

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Quote from: ninjarobot on February 12, 2014, 10:19:33 PM

Quote from: spectre2112 on February 12, 2014, 09:04:57 PM

Quote from: HF-Engineer on February 12, 2014, 07:57:03 PM

Guys, I asked about the upgrade kits and MPP and was told there were no MPP or upgrade kits ever offered in batch one. So apparently just because your BJ system was batch one, doesn't mean additional boards would be in the same batch.

-Phil

I am NOT "shooting the messenger" (nor am I in Batch 1) but what they told you seems to directly contradict what is CURRENTLY posted on the Hashfast website MPP page:

"At HashFast, we understand that healthy, prosperous customers make for a healthy and prosperous company. We know that our customers are concerned about the rapid growth of the network hashrate – and we stand by our customers. We designed our silicon so efficiently per square mm, that we are able offer you this protection. If the Bitcoin network hashrate increases so that your Baby Jet doesn’t generate more Bitcoins in ninety days than you paid for it, HashFast will give you additional ASICs. In fact, we will give you up to 400% more hashing capacity than the Baby Jet you purchased. Yes, that does mean that if you don’t make your money back in 90 days, we will increase your mining capacity to up to 2 Terahashes! The Miner Protection Program™ was given retroactively to ALL purchases of Batch 1 Baby Jets. For second and third batch machines, the Miner Protection Program™ was offered as an add-on, that customers could purchase for an additional fee. Currently the Miner Protection Program™ is not available for purchase."

So, while they may not have been "offered" at the time of purchase, ALL Batch 1 orders should be covered by the MPP since they were "GIVEN RETROACTIVELY."

Or am I misunderstanding something?

Correct, that was the promise. This is the original statement from Oct 6:

Quote

Miner Protection Program™
We want our customers to succeed.

At HashFast, we understand that healthy, prosperous customers make for a healthy and prosperous company. We know that our customers are concerned about the rapid growth of the network hashrate – and we stand by our customers. We designed our silicon so efficiently per square mm, that we are able offer you this protection.

If the Bitcoin network hashrate increases so that your Baby Jet doesn’t generate more Bitcoins in ninety days than you paid for it, HashFast will give you additional ASICs. In fact, we will give you up to 400% more hashing capacity than the Baby Jet you purchased. Yes, that does mean that if you don’t make your money back in 90 days, we will increase your mining capacity to up to 2 Terahashes!

The Miner Protection Program™ applies to all customers of Baby Jets purchased from Batch 1 of our production. For the second batch, the Miner Protection Program™ will be sold separately.

HF should give a clarification on if/when MPP will ship. This is overdue. Doing ROI caculations without taking shipping time into account is nonsensical so it was somewhat implied that MPP would ship directly after the 90 MPP window closed. This has not happened.

As much as i would have liked to say that they would have shipped right away from hashfast past record we all knew that wasnt going to happen. Tho I really dont see what is causing the delays. I mean the MPP is simple more modules. My assumtion is that they used MPP for batch 2 while the old batch 2 will become our MPP.

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i think( or at least i hope) he means that MPP and upgrades aren't part of batch 1 shipping.

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Quote from: spectre2112 on February 12, 2014, 09:04:57 PM

Quote from: HF-Engineer on February 12, 2014, 07:57:03 PM

Guys, I asked about the upgrade kits and MPP and was told there were no MPP or upgrade kits ever offered in batch one. So apparently just because your BJ system was batch one, doesn't mean additional boards would be in the same batch.

-Phil

I am NOT "shooting the messenger" (nor am I in Batch 1) but what they told you seems to directly contradict what is CURRENTLY posted on the Hashfast website MPP page:

"At HashFast, we understand that healthy, prosperous customers make for a healthy and prosperous company. We know that our customers are concerned about the rapid growth of the network hashrate – and we stand by our customers. We designed our silicon so efficiently per square mm, that we are able offer you this protection. If the Bitcoin network hashrate increases so that your Baby Jet doesn’t generate more Bitcoins in ninety days than you paid for it, HashFast will give you additional ASICs. In fact, we will give you up to 400% more hashing capacity than the Baby Jet you purchased. Yes, that does mean that if you don’t make your money back in 90 days, we will increase your mining capacity to up to 2 Terahashes! The Miner Protection Program™ was given retroactively to ALL purchases of Batch 1 Baby Jets. For second and third batch machines, the Miner Protection Program™ was offered as an add-on, that customers could purchase for an additional fee. Currently the Miner Protection Program™ is not available for purchase."

So, while they may not have been "offered" at the time of purchase, ALL Batch 1 orders should be covered by the MPP since they were "GIVEN RETROACTIVELY."

Or am I misunderstanding something?

Correct, that was the promise. This is the original statement from Oct 6:

Quote

Miner Protection Program™
We want our customers to succeed.

At HashFast, we understand that healthy, prosperous customers make for a healthy and prosperous company. We know that our customers are concerned about the rapid growth of the network hashrate – and we stand by our customers. We designed our silicon so efficiently per square mm, that we are able offer you this protection.

If the Bitcoin network hashrate increases so that your Baby Jet doesn’t generate more Bitcoins in ninety days than you paid for it, HashFast will give you additional ASICs. In fact, we will give you up to 400% more hashing capacity than the Baby Jet you purchased. Yes, that does mean that if you don’t make your money back in 90 days, we will increase your mining capacity to up to 2 Terahashes!

The Miner Protection Program™ applies to all customers of Baby Jets purchased from Batch 1 of our production. For the second batch, the Miner Protection Program™ will be sold separately.

HF should give a clarification on if/when MPP will ship. This is overdue. Doing ROI caculations without taking shipping time into account is nonsensical so it was somewhat implied that MPP would ship directly after the 90 day MPP window closed. This has not happened.

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Quote from: HF-Engineer on February 12, 2014, 07:57:03 PM

Guys, I asked about the upgrade kits and MPP and was told there were no MPP or upgrade kits ever offered in batch one. So apparently just because your BJ system was batch one, doesn't mean additional boards would be in the same batch.
-Phil

Quote from: starsoccer9 on February 12, 2014, 08:30:11 PM

Great so much for the MPP. Guess there will be lawsuits coming

Quote from: spectre2112 on February 12, 2014, 09:04:57 PM

I am NOT "shooting the messenger" (nor am I in Batch 1) but what they told you seems to directly contradict what is CURRENTLY posted on the Hashfast website MPP page:

"At HashFast, we understand that healthy, prosperous customers make for a healthy and prosperous company. We know that our customers are concerned about the rapid growth of the network hashrate – and we stand by our customers. We designed our silicon so efficiently per square mm, that we are able offer you this protection. If the Bitcoin network hashrate increases so that your Baby Jet doesn’t generate more Bitcoins in ninety days than you paid for it, HashFast will give you additional ASICs. In fact, we will give you up to 400% more hashing capacity than the Baby Jet you purchased. Yes, that does mean that if you don’t make your money back in 90 days, we will increase your mining capacity to up to 2 Terahashes! The Miner Protection Program™ was given retroactively to ALL purchases of Batch 1 Baby Jets. For second and third batch machines, the Miner Protection Program™ was offered as an add-on, that customers could purchase for an additional fee. Currently the Miner Protection Program™ is not available for purchase."

So, while they may not have been "offered" at the time of purchase, ALL Batch 1 orders should be covered by the MPP since they were "GIVEN RETROACTIVELY."

Or am I misunderstanding something?

You guys are talking past each other.

I believe what Phil is saying is that even if you placed your upgrade kit order for a BabyJet Batch 1, the upgrade kit order itself wasn't a Batch 1 order. It's a Batch 2 or Batch 3 order. And similarly, the MPP for Batch 1 wasn't to be delivered together with the Batch 1 orders - it was closer to the Batch 3 or Batch 4 orders in the line. This is technically true.

However, I feel that the original order queue shouldn't be kept at least with the MPP program. MPP had a specific non-queue based timeline associated with it that has more to do with the actual Hashrate out there than a place in the queue. The original queue order should be interrupted for the MPP fulfillment.

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Quote from: -ck on February 12, 2014, 09:31:31 PM

Quote from: starsoccer9 on February 12, 2014, 08:30:11 PM

I mean the build HF-Engineer posted a bit back. He uploaded the source to one of the builds 3.09 I think. I wanted to know if I could take that source and compile it for windows and then be able to see the core temps and such. As otherwise the only way for me to see it is to put debug on which is quite annoying.

The API is able to access all the information. Enable the api with --api-listen on the cgminer command line.
Java makes it easy to talk to like so:
java API stats

output per core looks like this:

Code:

   [Core] => 0
   [hash clockrate] => 610
   [die temperature] => 79.125000
   [board temperature] => 67.772369
   [core voltage] => 0: 0.79
   [core voltage] => 1: 0.00
   [core voltage] => 2: 0.00
   [core voltage] => 3: 0.00
   [core voltage] => 4: 0.00
   [core voltage] => 5: 0.00
   [rx header crc] => 0
   [rx body crc] => 0
   [rx header to] => 0
   [rx body to] => 0
   [cn fifo full] => 0
   [an fifo full] => 0
   [stats overrun] => 0

Okay guess ill be trying to program tonight. great.

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Quote from: starsoccer9 on February 12, 2014, 08:30:11 PM

I mean the build HF-Engineer posted a bit back. He uploaded the source to one of the builds 3.09 I think. I wanted to know if I could take that source and compile it for windows and then be able to see the core temps and such. As otherwise the only way for me to see it is to put debug on which is quite annoying.

The API is able to access all the information. Enable the api with --api-listen on the cgminer command line.
Java makes it easy to talk to like so:
java API stats

output per core looks like this:

Code:

   [Core] => 0
   [hash clockrate] => 610
   [die temperature] => 79.125000
   [board temperature] => 67.772369
   [core voltage] => 0: 0.79
   [core voltage] => 1: 0.00
   [core voltage] => 2: 0.00
   [core voltage] => 3: 0.00
   [core voltage] => 4: 0.00
   [core voltage] => 5: 0.00
   [rx header crc] => 0
   [rx body crc] => 0
   [rx header to] => 0
   [rx body to] => 0
   [cn fifo full] => 0
   [an fifo full] => 0
   [stats overrun] => 0

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Quote from: HF-Engineer on February 12, 2014, 07:57:03 PM

Guys, I asked about the upgrade kits and MPP and was told there were no MPP or upgrade kits ever offered in batch one. So apparently just because your BJ system was batch one, doesn't mean additional boards would be in the same batch.

-Phil

I am NOT "shooting the messenger" (nor am I in Batch 1) but what they told you seems to directly contradict what is CURRENTLY posted on the Hashfast website MPP page:

"At HashFast, we understand that healthy, prosperous customers make for a healthy and prosperous company. We know that our customers are concerned about the rapid growth of the network hashrate – and we stand by our customers. We designed our silicon so efficiently per square mm, that we are able offer you this protection. If the Bitcoin network hashrate increases so that your Baby Jet doesn’t generate more Bitcoins in ninety days than you paid for it, HashFast will give you additional ASICs. In fact, we will give you up to 400% more hashing capacity than the Baby Jet you purchased. Yes, that does mean that if you don’t make your money back in 90 days, we will increase your mining capacity to up to 2 Terahashes! The Miner Protection Program™ was given retroactively to ALL purchases of Batch 1 Baby Jets. For second and third batch machines, the Miner Protection Program™ was offered as an add-on, that customers could purchase for an additional fee. Currently the Miner Protection Program™ is not available for purchase."

So, while they may not have been "offered" at the time of purchase, ALL Batch 1 orders should be covered by the MPP since they were "GIVEN RETROACTIVELY."

Or am I misunderstanding something?

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Quote from: HF-Engineer on February 12, 2014, 07:57:03 PM

Guys, I asked about the upgrade kits and MPP and was told there were no MPP or upgrade kits ever offered in batch one. So apparently just because your BJ system was batch one, doesn't mean additional boards would be in the same batch.

That's all I could find out, but it made sense to me even if it's not good news. Batch 2 orders are now being fulfilled, so if your upgrade kit is in B2, you should be able to expect it soon.

-Phil

Great so much for the MPP. Guess there will be lawsuits coming

Quote from: -ck on February 12, 2014, 08:22:05 PM

Quote from: starsoccer9 on February 12, 2014, 07:09:29 PM

Is it possible to compile the hashfast cgminer and use it on windows?

Yes definitely. I build and test the windows binaries on my hashfast devices and they work fine (set them up like any other usb device on windows with cgminer as per the ASIC-README). Just download the latest cgminer windows binary 3.12.3... however hashfast are still sitting on their new firmware so you probably shouldn't try until they release that since the newer cgminer is built around the firmware changes and vice versa. It should actually still work though...

I mean the build HF-Engineer posted a bit back. He uploaded the source to one of the builds 3.09 I think. I wanted to know if I could take that source and compile it for windows and then be able to see the core temps and such. As otherwise the only way for me to see it is to put debug on which is quite annoying.

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Quote from: starsoccer9 on February 12, 2014, 07:09:29 PM

Is it possible to compile the hashfast cgminer and use it on windows?

Yes definitely. I build and test the windows binaries on my hashfast devices and they work fine (set them up like any other usb device on windows with cgminer as per the ASIC-README). Just download the latest cgminer windows binary 3.12.3... however hashfast are still sitting on their new firmware so you probably shouldn't try until they release that since the newer cgminer is built around the firmware changes and vice versa. It should actually still work though...

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Quote from: starsoccer9 on February 12, 2014, 07:09:29 PM

Is it possible to compile the hashfast cgminer and use it on windows?

It seems from reports here like this should be possible, but as I've mentioned before we do not officially support windows, so I can't offer any tips on it.

I use Linux for all my personal stuff and RPI's for mining, and they are reliable, so I don't see any reason to use a larger PC.

If you have an RPI that's not working right, it's likely due to a bad or corrupt SD card. Get another card (decent brand preferred) from a reputable source and load a fresh image before you declare the RPI "doesn't work".

How to load the SD image: (Including windows instructions)
http://hashfast.com/how-to-update-babyjets-raspberry-pi-sd-card-software/

If re-using an SD card, Be sure to make a backup if possible! (The best thing to do is just get a totally new card though.)

-Phil

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Guys, I asked about the upgrade kits and MPP and was told there were no MPP or upgrade kits ever offered in batch one. So apparently just because your BJ system was batch one, doesn't mean additional boards would be in the same batch.

That's all I could find out, but it made sense to me even if it's not good news. Batch 2 orders are now being fulfilled, so if your upgrade kit is in B2, you should be able to expect it soon.

-Phil

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Quote from: tacotime on February 12, 2014, 06:07:55 PM

Quote from: fubly on February 12, 2014, 04:30:25 PM

Quote from: MinorMiner on February 12, 2014, 03:36:58 PM

Quote from: Micky25 on February 11, 2014, 03:31:09 PM

so batch 2 gets delivered already. And batch 1 still waits for the upgrades. This is not right.

Batch 2 people are getting their units? darn it. Yea, I want my upgrade unit AND my 'miner protection program' too.

2nd call to Hashfast in over a week with no responses about it.

here the same.

I was overclocking to 652 Mhz on own build of cgminer 3.11 and it works perfect at 440 Gh/s since 29th jan.

It takes 11 seconds on hotpluging the usb device. I run minepeon version from HF Engineer.
No problems all is good at this moment.

You should get more than that... at 3.11.0 on Windows I get 450 GH/s at 606 MHz on one of my units. These hash non-linearly with clock, bump your clock by 2 MHz at a time until it jumps.

That's only partially correct. What is really happening is only certain values work. If you check the API you will get back what the real speed is.

[hash clockrate] => 604

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Quote from: fubly on February 12, 2014, 06:21:50 PM

Quote from: tacotime on February 12, 2014, 06:07:55 PM

Quote from: fubly on February 12, 2014, 04:30:25 PM

Quote from: MinorMiner on February 12, 2014, 03:36:58 PM

Quote from: Micky25 on February 11, 2014, 03:31:09 PM

so batch 2 gets delivered already. And batch 1 still waits for the upgrades. This is not right.

Batch 2 people are getting their units? darn it. Yea, I want my upgrade unit AND my 'miner protection program' too.

2nd call to Hashfast in over a week with no responses about it.

here the same.

I was overclocking to 652 Mhz on own build of cgminer 3.11 and it works perfect at 440 Gh/s since 29th jan.

It takes 11 seconds on hotpluging the usb device. I run minepeon version from HF Engineer.
No problems all is good at this moment.

How much watts needs your windows computer, I think that the raspberry needs less
You should get more than that... at 3.11.0 on Windows I get 450 GH/s at 606 MHz on one of my units. These hash non-linearly with clock, bump your clock by 2 MHz at a time until it jumps.

Is it possible to compile the hashfast cgminer and use it on windows?

Relating to Overclocking, I have mine at 580 and its getting an avg of 422ghash for about 24hours now

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Quote from: tacotime on February 12, 2014, 06:07:55 PM

Quote from: fubly on February 12, 2014, 04:30:25 PM

Quote from: MinorMiner on February 12, 2014, 03:36:58 PM

Quote from: Micky25 on February 11, 2014, 03:31:09 PM

so batch 2 gets delivered already. And batch 1 still waits for the upgrades. This is not right.

Batch 2 people are getting their units? darn it. Yea, I want my upgrade unit AND my 'miner protection program' too.

2nd call to Hashfast in over a week with no responses about it.

here the same.

I was overclocking to 652 Mhz on own build of cgminer 3.11 and it works perfect at 440 Gh/s since 29th jan.

It takes 11 seconds on hotpluging the usb device. I run minepeon version from HF Engineer.
No problems all is good at this moment.

How much watts needs your windows computer, I think that the raspberry needs less
You should get more than that... at 3.11.0 on Windows I get 450 GH/s at 606 MHz on one of my units. These hash non-linearly with clock, bump your clock by 2 MHz at a time until it jumps.

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Quote from: fubly on February 12, 2014, 04:30:25 PM

Quote from: MinorMiner on February 12, 2014, 03:36:58 PM

Quote from: Micky25 on February 11, 2014, 03:31:09 PM

so batch 2 gets delivered already. And batch 1 still waits for the upgrades. This is not right.

Batch 2 people are getting their units? darn it. Yea, I want my upgrade unit AND my 'miner protection program' too.

2nd call to Hashfast in over a week with no responses about it.

here the same.

I was overclocking to 652 Mhz on own build of cgminer 3.11 and it works perfect at 440 Gh/s since 29th jan.

It takes 11 seconds on hotpluging the usb device. I run minepeon version from HF Engineer.
No problems all is good at this moment.

You should get more than that... at 3.11.0 on Windows I get 450 GH/s at 606 MHz on one of my units. These hash non-linearly with clock, bump your clock by 2 MHz at a time until it jumps.

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Quote from: MinorMiner on February 12, 2014, 03:36:58 PM

Quote from: Micky25 on February 11, 2014, 03:31:09 PM

so batch 2 gets delivered already. And batch 1 still waits for the upgrades. This is not right.

Batch 2 people are getting their units? darn it. Yea, I want my upgrade unit AND my 'miner protection program' too.

2nd call to Hashfast in over a week with no responses about it.

here the same.

I was overclocking to 652 Mhz on own build of cgminer 3.11 and it works perfect at 440 Gh/s since 29th jan.

It takes 11 seconds on hotpluging the usb device. I run minepeon version from HF Engineer.
No problems all is good at this moment.

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Quote from: Micky25 on February 11, 2014, 03:31:09 PM

so batch 2 gets delivered already. And batch 1 still waits for the upgrades. This is not right.

Batch 2 people are getting their units? darn it. Yea, I want my upgrade unit AND my 'miner protection program' too.

2nd call to Hashfast in over a week with no responses about it.

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