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legendary
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October 22, 2013, 03:20:22 PM
Yes, hashrate will not drop until we hit 30 billion difficulty or so. The only thing that could cause it to drop is a huge drop in BTC. Like down to $50 or below. As long as it stays above 100 we won't see difficulty drop for a long time.

I do see it happen earlier than 30 billion; at that point growth will be slow enough that statistical variation might cause a small drop in difficulty. I guess a massive DDoS could also help. But in general, yeah hashrate isnt going to go down for the foreseeable future. I dont even think a BTC price drop to $50 will do that any time soon, very few people will turn off their expensive asics just because BTC rate imploded "temporarily". Particularly since most of them would still be operationally profitable for quite some time, even at that price.


I would definitely turn off my ASICs if the electricity costing to run them was less than the value of the BTC they were returning. I would take that electricity money I saved and buy BTC with it.

I'd end up with more BTC and the same money spent. The choice is simple.

THIS is what i'm talking about.

others will make the same choice as you; after all this is about making money in the end.

the most efficient machines are the ones that will make it thru the gauntlet over time.  what will be interesting is just how fast sub 28nm machines will come online.
hero member
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October 22, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
Yes, hashrate will not drop until we hit 30 billion difficulty or so. The only thing that could cause it to drop is a huge drop in BTC. Like down to $50 or below. As long as it stays above 100 we won't see difficulty drop for a long time.

I do see it happen earlier than 30 billion; at that point growth will be slow enough that statistical variation might cause a small drop in difficulty. I guess a massive DDoS could also help. But in general, yeah hashrate isnt going to go down for the foreseeable future. I dont even think a BTC price drop to $50 will do that any time soon, very few people will turn off their expensive asics just because BTC rate imploded "temporarily". Particularly since most of them would still be operationally profitable for quite some time, even at that price.


I would definitely turn off my ASICs if the electricity costing to run them was less than the value of the BTC they were returning. I would take that electricity money I saved and buy BTC with it.

I'd end up with more BTC and the same money spent. The choice is simple.
legendary
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October 22, 2013, 02:05:09 PM
Yes, hashrate will not drop until we hit 30 billion difficulty or so. The only thing that could cause it to drop is a huge drop in BTC. Like down to $50 or below. As long as it stays above 100 we won't see difficulty drop for a long time.

I do see it happen earlier than 30 billion; at that point growth will be slow enough that statistical variation might cause a small drop in difficulty. I guess a massive DDoS could also help. But in general, yeah hashrate isnt going to go down for the foreseeable future. I dont even think a BTC price drop to $50 will do that any time soon, very few people will turn off their expensive asics just because BTC rate imploded "temporarily". Particularly since most of them would still be operationally profitable for quite some time, even at that price.

hero member
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October 22, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
yes, i still maintain that the HR will stabilize or even drop at some point; probably sometime early next year after Cointerra ships (if they do at all).

How much do you want to bet? Im willing to bet just about anything you want that we will not see a single difficulty decrease before March 2014 (and thats playing it safe).

As for being too early to tell who is less unlucky; it isnt. Next difficulty will be 420M or more and is due in just 3 days. And almost certainly *all* HF customers will have to stomach at least one more difficulty adjustment around November 2 or 3 before they can unpack their miner, and more than likely many or most of them will have to stomach 2 more difficulty adjustments. At that point, we are looking at a difficulty close to 1B before you mined your first satoshi.

Yes, hashrate will not drop until we hit 30 billion difficulty or so. The only thing that could cause it to drop is a huge drop in BTC. Like down to $50 or below. As long as it stays above 100 we won't see difficulty drop for a long time.
legendary
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October 22, 2013, 12:37:36 PM

it's too early to tell who's more "lucky". Cheesy  

don't forget KNC had a head start so it's expected you're mining right now.  yes, it appears HF will be late.  don't know how late but i still prefer the apparent high quality parts they are using along with the cutting edge 28 nm tech.  you're right though; it could be useless if they're too late.

yes, i still maintain that the HR will stabilize or even drop at some point; probably sometime early next year after Cointerra ships (if they do at all).

i've actually had good luck with my Batch 2 Avalons as well. Wink

Pure gold!
legendary
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October 22, 2013, 12:27:51 PM
yes, i still maintain that the HR will stabilize or even drop at some point; probably sometime early next year after Cointerra ships (if they do at all).

How much do you want to bet? Im willing to bet just about anything you want that we will not see a single difficulty decrease before March 2014 (and thats playing it safe).

As for being too early to tell who is less unlucky; it isnt. Next difficulty will be 420M or more and is due in just 3 days. And almost certainly *all* HF customers will have to stomach at least one more difficulty adjustment around November 2 or 3 before they can unpack their miner, and more than likely many or most of them will have to stomach 2 more difficulty adjustments. At that point, we are looking at a difficulty close to 1B before you mined your first satoshi.
legendary
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October 22, 2013, 11:54:57 AM
idiots.

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/594/solo-mining-vs-pool-mining-for-users-with-high-computing-power

"Theoretically, with a zero percent pool fee, solo mining and pooled mining should, over the long term, produce precisely the same revenue."-David Schwartz

Yes "Long term" - as the time it takes for you to mine hundreds or thousands of blocks. But, since the difficulty is increasing below a certain threshold that will be "never", or at least not until the difficulty levels out again.

Btw, Isn't HF supposed to ship this month? I'm sitting here with my KnC, I guess my "luck" in picking equipment makers is better then yours Smiley

back when i was being paid, the #'s looked a lot more compelling than they do now.  let's not forget you were being bullish on KNC/Terrahash ordering back then too.  the relentless, exponential growth has surprised all of us.

HR is looking a little toppy right now; we'll have to see how much, if any, current lesser efficient asic mining gets turned off.  

Hahahaha, what? Are you really this dumb? I remember you saying you thought hashrate would actually drop at some point in the future even, like a stock price.

Given the delivery date I think it's possible my KnC will pay for itself over the next couple months - I did pay for it with USD, rather then bitcoin though.   My Avalon paid for itself in USD in about a week, and in BTC in a month or so.

it's too early to tell who's more "lucky". Cheesy 

don't forget KNC had a head start so it's expected you're mining right now.  yes, it appears HF will be late.  don't know how late but i still prefer the apparent high quality parts they are using along with the cutting edge 28 nm tech.  you're right though; it could be useless if they're too late.

yes, i still maintain that the HR will stabilize or even drop at some point; probably sometime early next year after Cointerra ships (if they do at all).

i've actually had good luck with my Batch 2 Avalons as well. Wink
full member
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October 22, 2013, 04:20:17 AM
idiots.

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/594/solo-mining-vs-pool-mining-for-users-with-high-computing-power

"Theoretically, with a zero percent pool fee, solo mining and pooled mining should, over the long term, produce precisely the same revenue."-David Schwartz

Yes "Long term" - as the time it takes for you to mine hundreds or thousands of blocks. But, since the difficulty is increasing below a certain threshold that will be "never", or at least not until the difficulty levels out again.

Btw, Isn't HF supposed to ship this month? I'm sitting here with my KnC, I guess my "luck" in picking equipment makers is better then yours Smiley

back when i was being paid, the #'s looked a lot more compelling than they do now.  let's not forget you were being bullish on KNC/Terrahash ordering back then too.  the relentless, exponential growth has surprised all of us.

HR is looking a little toppy right now; we'll have to see how much, if any, current lesser efficient asic mining gets turned off.  

Hahahaha, what? Are you really this dumb? I remember you saying you thought hashrate would actually drop at some point in the future even, like a stock price.

Given the delivery date I think it's possible my KnC will pay for itself over the next couple months - I did pay for it with USD, rather then bitcoin though.   My Avalon paid for itself in USD in about a week, and in BTC in a month or so.
legendary
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October 22, 2013, 01:18:43 AM
the relentless, exponential growth has surprised all of us.

It most certainly has not.
hero member
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Glow Stick Dance!
October 21, 2013, 07:16:36 PM
Next weekend we'll probably be at 340mil diff
- 400mil, actually.

Not sure if a 50% jump would be within the rules of the Bitcoin Network, because those 2016 (2015) blocks would just breeze through.

This value looks a bit high: http://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate

How about Next difficulty (estimate): 285,052,471 (+6%)

http://bitcoin difficulty.com/

That site just pulls data from dot-bit page which is down. You can refresh it all day, it wont update. MOreover they pull that data from dot-bit without attribution, then put a banner add on it for their own profit. Please delete that bookmark, and add these;

http://dot-bit.org/tools/nextDifficulty.php (currently down)
http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty (Estimated Next Difficulty:   401,706,911 (+50.04%))

And yes lol, 50% is within the rules. 400% is the limit I believe, and has been reached before.

I have a great app for my iphone called BTCmon.  The difficulty changes are quite accurate and you can also monitor your pools and exchange rates.
legendary
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October 21, 2013, 06:46:11 PM
And yes lol, 50% is within the rules. 400% is the limit I believe, and has been reached before.

Wow. We're fucked.

This is the most accurate description of our situation I've seen so far.

Cypherdoc would disagree

why would i necessarily disagree?  do you disagree?

back when i was being paid, the #'s looked a lot more compelling than they do now.  let's not forget you were being bullish on KNC/Terrahash ordering back then too.  the relentless, exponential growth has surprised all of us.

HR is looking a little toppy right now; we'll have to see how much, if any, current lesser efficient asic mining gets turned off.  

I have no comment until we see how the MPP plays out. Hashfast's chips may overperform, they might offer something additional to not make it so bad.

But if they don't offer anything additional and the MPP does exactly what it says it is going to do then yes I guess I would only agree that it's not looking that great.

The outlook is much worse if you were not first in line and paid retail prices.

Who knows what HF has up their sleeves.

the things i do like right now, other than the HR, is the fact that there has only been one day in BTC history where the price has closed higher than it is right now.  this huge run up in Chinese investment is a great thing for all of us.  what BTC you do mine will be worth more in the future; possibly ALOT more.  in fact, one could make the argument that the rising price is a sign that money is finally being diverted away from the mining space into direct purchase of BTC.  i think that definitely is the conclusion that many are making and we've seen that right here in this forum.

the other dynamic that i think is undeniable is that all gpu mining should be shut down if not already.  and the non 28 nm asics will also with time.  the most efficient miners will be the ones that can make it thru this gauntlet. 

there will be a topping out of the HR somewhere along here.
hero member
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Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.
October 21, 2013, 06:35:53 PM
And yes lol, 50% is within the rules. 400% is the limit I believe, and has been reached before.

Wow. We're fucked.

This is the most accurate description of our situation I've seen so far.

Cypherdoc would disagree

why would i necessarily disagree?  do you disagree?

back when i was being paid, the #'s looked a lot more compelling than they do now.  let's not forget you were being bullish on KNC/Terrahash ordering back then too.  the relentless, exponential growth has surprised all of us.

HR is looking a little toppy right now; we'll have to see how much, if any, current lesser efficient asic mining gets turned off.  

I have no comment until we see how the MPP plays out. Hashfast's chips may overperform, they might offer something additional to not make it so bad.

But if they don't offer anything additional and the MPP does exactly what it says it is going to do then yes I guess I would only agree that it's not looking that great.

The outlook is much worse if you were not first in line and paid retail prices.

Who knows what HF has up their sleeves.
full member
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October 21, 2013, 06:27:55 PM
Are we on schedule for delivery?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3382382  TL;DR: NO.
legendary
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October 21, 2013, 06:25:47 PM
And yes lol, 50% is within the rules. 400% is the limit I believe, and has been reached before.

Wow. We're fucked.

This is the most accurate description of our situation I've seen so far.

Cypherdoc would disagree

why would i necessarily disagree?  do you disagree?

back when i was being paid, the #'s looked a lot more compelling than they do now.  let's not forget you were being bullish on KNC/Terrahash ordering back then too.  the relentless, exponential growth has surprised all of us.

HR is looking a little toppy right now; we'll have to see how much, if any, current lesser efficient asic mining gets turned off. 
full member
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October 21, 2013, 06:12:47 PM
And yes lol, 50% is within the rules. 400% is the limit I believe, and has been reached before.

Wow. We're fucked.

This is the most accurate description of our situation I've seen so far.

Cypherdoc would disagree

Cypherdoc was *paid* to disagree.  I hope it covers his HW costs Cheesy
hero member
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Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.
October 21, 2013, 05:58:24 PM
And yes lol, 50% is within the rules. 400% is the limit I believe, and has been reached before.

Wow. We're fucked.

This is the most accurate description of our situation I've seen so far.

Cypherdoc would disagree
hero member
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Mine Silent, Mine Deep
October 21, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
And yes lol, 50% is within the rules. 400% is the limit I believe, and has been reached before.

Wow. We're fucked.

This is the most accurate description of our situation I've seen so far.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
October 21, 2013, 05:40:24 PM
Capability is different than sales.   Cointerra like HashFast is using third party to handle assembly and shipping.   How large of a run of chips did Cointerra pay for?  Risky to pay for magnitude more chips than you have orders for.  So even if they can ship 25,000 units per day well that still won't be 18 PH/s unless they have 18,000 PH/s worth of chips (and pcb, and other components) ready to go. 

Also Cointerra isn't shipping until January 1st (unless delayed as their tapeout isn't complete and timeline was first week in Oct).  By January conservatively the network will be at least double.   So you are now talking about deploying 36 PH/s in a week.  It could happen but I stand by my prediction that we will never again see a max difficulty change (+300% increase).

So D&T, how much money did you blow on Hashfast? Cheesy
donator
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Gerald Davis
October 21, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Capability is different than sales.   Cointerra like HashFast is using third party to handle assembly and shipping.   How large of a run of chips did Cointerra pay for (or I guess I should say will pay for)?  Probably more than they sold but it is risky to pay for magnitude more chips than you have orders for.  So even if they can ship 25,000 units per day well that still won't be 18 PH delivered in a week unless they have 18 PH of chips (and pcb, and other components) ready to move.

Also Cointerra isn't shipping until January 1st (unless delayed tapeout still isn't done).  By January conservatively the network will be more like 8 to 10 PH/s.   So you are now talking about deploying 50 PH/s or more in a week to cause a max increase.  It could happen but I stand by my prediction that we will never again see a max difficulty change (+300% increase) and the further we get into the AISC "boom" the less likely it becomes.
sr. member
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October 21, 2013, 04:57:14 PM
Due to timing it probably would need to be be more like 12 to 18 PH being deployed within a week.  That would be like shipping 6,000 BabyJets or KNC Jupiter's every day.


When I last spoke with the Cointerra management (after their successful code test) it was explained to me they already sent everything for tapeout and it was supposed to occur/complete in October.

.....

 and I'm not sure if this is public info or not, but I remember hearing the number 25,000 units/day capability.


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