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Topic: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet - page 61. (Read 119626 times)

legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
August 09, 2013, 09:09:27 PM
Yeah it's just their word and it's up to you if anyone wants to trust what they say.

We send them $100 > they use some of it to fund boards/chips/salary. Let's just say $30 is left.

Let's just say the chips did not turn out to be functional or even working. Jan 1st 2014 comes and they got nothing to show.

People start wanting refunds. Now how are they going to do a full refund only when they have $30 in their pockets?

Do you guys not realize this is how EVERY ASIC development has been so far? Someone has to foot the bill. BFL did it, Avalon did it, ASICMINER did it, Bitfury did it, ... every other company is trying to do it, (except for maybe labcoin and one or two others- which are not accepting pre-orders minus labcoin.)

What would BFL/Avalon/ASICMINER/Bitfury have done if they failed? They would be screwed in the same way, only having pennies to the dollar left over. The key is assembling or partnering with an experienced team that can get it done.

I don't see what the big deal is. They have an experienced team with expertise to make a product, and we have money to fund their project- without it the project may never get off the ground. In making a pre-order, you are investing in the company you made that pre-order with. Whether they rise to the occasion or fail is unknown as it's in the future. It's up to you whether you want to take that risk. If not, then move on, why do you have to congest the thread for people that might actually be interested.
sr. member
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The realist
August 09, 2013, 09:03:09 PM
People don't question anything around here. They just see product. Names behind said product. Shills endorsing product. And immediately just starting throw money at them.

No-one even knows what connectivity this miner has or why the photo shows 6 chips instead of 1. How are they going to do a full refund.

How many miners are they planning to build/ship daily from the starting date?

People need to start asking the hard questions. $5K ain't some small money for some.
sr. member
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August 09, 2013, 09:01:59 PM
If they ship on the 30th Dec, they don't have to refund.
sr. member
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The realist
August 09, 2013, 08:59:37 PM
Yeah it's just their word and it's up to you if anyone wants to trust what they say.

We send them $100 > they use some of it to fund boards/chips/salary. Let's just say $30 is left.

Let's just say the chips did not turn out to be functional or even working. Jan 1st 2014 comes and they got nothing to show.

People start wanting refunds. Now how are they going to do a full refund only when they have $30 in their pockets?
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
August 09, 2013, 08:55:17 PM
there will be full refunds available if they fail to deliver by Dec 31.

They claim they will refund your money if they don't deliver by Dec 31.  However, they haven't explained how exactly they'll be able to afford to do that.
sr. member
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The realist
August 09, 2013, 08:54:33 PM
just realizing this whole thing really is buyer beware!

And that's exactly what it is. You "invest" too much and they don't deliver or have delays? You're a goner.

If you do want to preorder a miner, do your own research first (don't listen to bullshit shills and all that) and if you have the money (and it won't be a big deal if it's gone), then I say go for it.
legendary
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August 09, 2013, 08:54:05 PM
Has anybody asked about escrow for a pre-order?

No escrow. No refunds. No credit cards/paypal. Bitcoin only.

there will be full refunds available if they fail to deliver by Dec 31.
sr. member
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The realist
August 09, 2013, 08:47:58 PM
Has anybody asked about escrow for a pre-order?

No escrow. No refunds. No credit cards/paypal. Bitcoin only.
full member
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Merit: 100
August 09, 2013, 08:44:29 PM
And the question: why does the miner picture show 6 chips instead of 1? Been asked 3 times now and still no answer.

Website/accepting payment questions? Answered straight away.

Has anybody asked about escrow for a pre-order?  I'm curious - very interested in buying - but I've been burned by BFL and I've already laid out money with two other companies...  now I'm gun shy...  nothing against hashfast, just realizing this whole thing really is buyer beware!
sr. member
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The realist
August 09, 2013, 08:29:59 PM
And the question: why does the miner picture show 6 chips instead of 1? Been asked 3 times now and still no answer.

Website/accepting payment questions? Answered straight away.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
August 09, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
I've been reading this all day and I don't see an answer to the question about connectivity - does this thing have ethernet, usb, wifi?  how do you manage the miner?  what's the software (bfgminer, cgminer...)?  I'm super interested, please let me know as it'll help me decide about placing my order.
member
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August 09, 2013, 08:01:13 PM

Why do people make bets which close at the event.  Why would anyone bet now given that there will be a flood of bets seconds before the deadline when the outcome is no longer a gamble.

The BTC is not evenly distributed to the winner side. There is a mechanism that the later you put down a bet the less BTC you will get.
full member
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August 09, 2013, 07:51:31 PM
Might want to work on getting your website back up as well:

full member
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August 09, 2013, 07:34:04 PM

Thank you John for your response. Also while your at it, check how shipping costs will be when ordering multiple units. I can imagine it costs a few hundred bucks to ship to Europe but the shipment size shouldn't matter then anymore.

Also, the error I posted earlier has nothing to do with the processor. It's simply wordpress that's failing probably due to the plugin you use for the shopping cart combined with obviously shared hosting.

Cheers,

Hi Tyrion,
We will take another look at shipping costs and see if we can reduce the shipping costs, and refund anyone that over paid for shipping.
The shipping costs came straight from UPS, with no markup.   Part of the reason for the high shipping costs is the value of the products (insurance).

We have upgraded to a new server, and we are completely rebuilding the system. (I agree with you)

Thanks again for your patience,

John

full member
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August 09, 2013, 07:27:47 PM

I would assume any of the standard water cooling systems out their, If I had to guess Smiley

Hi Gateway,

Yes, each Baby Jet will be shipped with a high performance water cooling system.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
August 09, 2013, 06:35:35 PM

Lol, with those odds there isn't even any reason to vote 'no' at this point. Compare that with the KnC bet

you're impressed by 3 bets?

Why don't you put your money (which they gave you) where your mouth (which they paid for) is? Grin

i already have.  i've not been paid anything yet and i've paid for 8 machines whose delivery is also at risk.
full member
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August 09, 2013, 06:31:11 PM

Lol, with those odds there isn't even any reason to vote 'no' at this point. Compare that with the KnC bet

you're impressed by 3 bets?

Why don't you put your money (which they gave you) where your mouth (which they paid for) is? Grin
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
August 09, 2013, 06:25:59 PM

Lol, with those odds there isn't even any reason to vote 'no' at this point. Compare that with the KnC bet

you're impressed by 3 bets?
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
August 09, 2013, 06:22:57 PM

Lol, with those odds there isn't even any reason to vote 'no' at this point. Compare that with the KnC bet
hero member
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cryptoshark
August 09, 2013, 06:18:41 PM
Why shipping cost is part of preorder?
You should charge additional money after product is ready to ship.

Such a mess, why you didnt test website before launch?

Why you were sleeping when sales started?

Pathetic...
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