Hashfast troll fest split from the cointerra thread - page 2.

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Quote from: aerobatic on December 14, 2013, 07:42:59 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 07:41:49 PM

Quote from: Syke on December 14, 2013, 07:32:18 PM

HashFast is late because they promised October and failed.

HashFast promised (and still promises) delivery by Dec 31.

If HashFast's chip is "late" because it didn't ship at the earliest possible moment, so is Cointerra's.

Cointerra promised mid December and failed.

We need to sue Cointerra, because they probably knew Dec was impossible and just wanted to make extra money by lying.

you're certifiably insane

Or I'm making a point. But please, continue to make an ass of yourself by presuming the worst instead of asking for clarification. You're good at that.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 07:41:49 PM

Quote from: Syke on December 14, 2013, 07:32:18 PM

HashFast is late because they promised October and failed.

HashFast promised (and still promises) delivery by Dec 31.

If HashFast's chip is "late" because it didn't ship at the earliest possible moment, so is Cointerra's.

Cointerra promised mid December and failed.

We need to sue Cointerra, because they probably knew Dec was impossible and just wanted to make extra money by lying.

you're certifiably insane

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Quote from: Syke on December 14, 2013, 07:32:18 PM

HashFast is late because they promised October and failed.

HashFast promised (and still promises) delivery by Dec 31.

If HashFast's chip is "late" because it didn't ship at the earliest possible moment, so is Cointerra's.

Cointerra promised mid December and failed.

We need to sue Cointerra, because they probably knew Dec was impossible and just wanted to make extra money by lying.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:45:18 PM

If HashFast's chip is "late" because it didn't ship at the earliest possible moment, so is Cointerra's.

HashFast is late because they promised October and failed.

Quote from: HashFast on August 05, 2013, 01:51:02 AM

We will be shipping in October.

They didn't ship in October. They didn't ship in November. December is half over and they have yet to ship.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:45:18 PM

Quote from: ASIC-K on December 14, 2013, 06:31:34 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:30:25 PM

Yes, it is fruitless to accuse HashFast of lying unless you also apply that "logic" to Cointerra as well.

Thanks for taking my point. A little slow, but I know you EECS guys aren't big on verbal comprehension. Wink

just to clarify, which company do you support? hashfast, bfl, knc, cointerra? or none.

I support logical consistency.

If HashFast's chip is "late" because it didn't ship at the earliest possible moment, so is Cointerra's.

If HashFast 'must have known' they couldn't deliver at the earliest possible moment, so did Cointerra.

If HashFast 'should be sued' for not delivering at the earliest possible moment, so should Cointerra.

If HashFast 'is the devil and literally Hitler' for not providing refunds or guaranteed ROI in BTC, so is Cointerra.

youre ignoring the price in that equation.

hf charged $14/gh for october delivery, and now might deliver in december/january.

ct charged $7/gh for december and $3/gh for january, and let people switch between the two batches at whim, thus most will get their january order, in january, at january prices. no one has reason to be upset at that because the delivery date has been priced in.

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Quote from: ASIC-K on December 14, 2013, 06:46:34 PM

ok, well from my point of view both hashfast and cointerra are horrible failures....

Thank you for being logically consistent and fair.

I disagree with your conclusion, but appreciate your even-handed approach.

The attitude of 'HashFast can do no right despite their chip working great, and Cointerra can do no wrong despite having no chip' got old, so I'm putting a stop to it.

Always bet on Gödel...

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Hell?

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:45:18 PM

Quote from: ASIC-K on December 14, 2013, 06:31:34 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:30:25 PM

Yes, it is fruitless to accuse HashFast of lying unless you also apply that "logic" to Cointerra as well.

Thanks for taking my point. A little slow, but I know you EECS guys aren't big on verbal comprehension. Wink

just to clarify, which company do you support? hashfast, bfl, knc, cointerra? or none.

I support logical consistency.

If HashFast's chip is "late" because it didn't ship at the earliest possible moment, so is Cointerra's.

If HashFast 'must have known' they couldn't deliver at the earliest possible moment, so did Cointerra.

If HashFast 'should be sued' for not delivering at the earliest possible moment, so should Cointerra.

If HashFast 'is the devil and literally Hitler' for not providing refunds or guaranteed ROI in BTC, so is Cointerra.

ok, well from my point of view both hashfast and cointerra are horrible failures....

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Quote from: ASIC-K on December 14, 2013, 06:31:34 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:30:25 PM

Yes, it is fruitless to accuse HashFast of lying unless you also apply that "logic" to Cointerra as well.

Thanks for taking my point. A little slow, but I know you EECS guys aren't big on verbal comprehension. Wink

just to clarify, which company do you support? hashfast, bfl, knc, cointerra? or none.

I support logical consistency.

If HashFast's chip is "late" because it didn't ship at the earliest possible moment, so is Cointerra's.

If HashFast 'must have known' they couldn't deliver at the earliest possible moment, so did Cointerra.

If HashFast 'should be sued' for not delivering at the earliest possible moment, so should Cointerra.

If HashFast 'is the devil and literally Hitler' for not providing refunds or guaranteed ROI in BTC, so is Cointerra.

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Hell?

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:30:25 PM

Quote from: aerobatic on December 14, 2013, 06:27:38 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on December 14, 2013, 06:26:55 PM

Jez mate, you're chasing your tail. It's fruitless, the dark yellow is well earned for a reason...

yea, i think you're right

Yes, it is fruitless to accuse HashFast of lying unless you also apply that "logic" to Cointerra as well.

Thanks for taking my point. A little slow, but I know you EECS guys aren't big on verbal comprehension. Wink

just to clarify, which company do you support? hashfast, bfl, knc, cointerra? or none.

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Quote from: aerobatic on December 14, 2013, 06:27:38 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on December 14, 2013, 06:26:55 PM

Jez mate, you're chasing your tail. It's fruitless, the dark yellow is well earned for a reason...

yea, i think you're right

Yes, it is fruitless to accuse HashFast of lying unless you also apply that "logic" to Cointerra as well.

Thanks for taking my point. A little slow, but I know you EECS guys aren't big on verbal comprehension. Wink

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on December 14, 2013, 06:26:55 PM

Jez mate, you're chasing your tail. It's fruitless, the dark yellow is well earned for a reason...

yea, i think you're right

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Jez mate, you're chasing your tail. It's fruitless, the dark yellow is well earned for a reason...

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Quote from: aerobatic on December 14, 2013, 06:13:32 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:12:13 PM

Quote from: aerobatic on December 14, 2013, 05:53:57 PM

At no time do i think cointerra has lied about their dates. i think before tapeout they were op-timistic, but after tape-out, they have adjusted their dates and no one has been over promised. tape-out being the major milestone where the rest of the schedule becomes more predictable.

at no time did cointerra sell systems for december that they didn't think they would be able to deliver in december. if it slips a few weeks (into jan) it won't be because of lying. And if they are a few weeks late, its still within their (very narrow, i.e. 30 day) contracted delivery window.

Cointerra took millions of dollars from us, claiming they would deliver in "mid December." But there is no way that's going to happen until mid-Jan at the very earliest.

That's called over-promising and under-delivering. You cannot spin that obvious fact fast enough to make it go away.

We need to see the contract with the foundry to determine if Cointerra intentionally lied about Dec shipping.

You good faith is touching, but Cointerra's month (plus?) delay is costing their customers thousands of precious Bitcoins.

If they lied about Dec shipments, that is fraud and we need to start looking at class action lawsuits as the obvious remedy.

WTF is this talk about a "contracted delivery window?" Everyone knows that if an ASIC fails to ship at the earliest possible date, it's late!

everything you say on this forum is the exact opposite of everything you say in the hashfast forum. you have the memory of a goldfish!

Thanks buddy. You need a sarcasm detector like a fish needs a bicycle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 06:12:13 PM

Quote from: aerobatic on December 14, 2013, 05:53:57 PM

At no time do i think cointerra has lied about their dates. i think before tapeout they were op-timistic, but after tape-out, they have adjusted their dates and no one has been over promised. tape-out being the major milestone where the rest of the schedule becomes more predictable.

at no time did cointerra sell systems for december that they didn't think they would be able to deliver in december. if it slips a few weeks (into jan) it won't be because of lying. And if they are a few weeks late, its still within their (very narrow, i.e. 30 day) contracted delivery window.

Cointerra took millions of dollars from us, claiming they would deliver in "mid December." But there is no way that's going to happen until mid-Jan at the very earliest.

That's called over-promising and under-delivering. You cannot spin that obvious fact fast enough to make it go away.

We need to see the contract with the foundry to determine if Cointerra intentionally lied about Dec shipping.

You good faith is touching, but Cointerra's month (plus?) delay is costing their customers thousands of precious Bitcoins.

If they lied about Dec shipments, that is fraud and we need to start looking at class action lawsuits as the obvious remedy.

WTF is this talk about a "contracted delivery window?" Everyone knows that if an ASIC fails to ship at the earliest possible date, it's late!

everything you say on this forum is the exact opposite of everything you say in the hashfast forum. you have the memory of a goldfish!

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Quote from: aerobatic on December 14, 2013, 05:53:57 PM

At no time do i think cointerra has lied about their dates. i think before tapeout they were op-timistic, but after tape-out, they have adjusted their dates and no one has been over promised. tape-out being the major milestone where the rest of the schedule becomes more predictable.

at no time did cointerra sell systems for december that they didn't think they would be able to deliver in december. if it slips a few weeks (into jan) it won't be because of lying. And if they are a few weeks late, its still within their (very narrow, i.e. 30 day) contracted delivery window.

Cointerra took millions of dollars from us, claiming they would deliver in "mid December." But there is no way that's going to happen until mid-Jan at the very earliest.

That's called over-promising and under-delivering. You cannot spin that obvious fact fast enough to make it go away.

We need to see the contract with the foundry to determine if Cointerra intentionally lied about Dec shipping.

You good faith is touching, but Cointerra's month (plus?) delay is costing their customers thousands of precious Bitcoins.

If they lied about Dec shipments, that is fraud and we need to start looking at class action lawsuits as the obvious remedy.

WTF is this talk about a "contracted delivery window?" Everyone knows that if an ASIC fails to ship at the earliest possible date, it's late!

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 05:02:42 PM

Quote from: Anotheranonlol on December 11, 2013, 12:21:37 AM

mid december..so we should expect delivery in 4 days or so Roll Eyes

For a limited time only I will share the secrets of my pickaxe revenue boosting system. We all know that mining gold is getting harder and a pickaxe in February is probably only worth $1 per gigarock....

How low can you go, if you´re not able to use your own mind/words, in stead of copy & pasting other users contributions!

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on December 12, 2013, 12:02:28 PM

Quote from: jones31 on December 12, 2013, 11:53:10 AM

So , If I'm getting it right , the most profitable way to mine is to sell your pickaxe!
Of , great !

For a limited time only I will share the secrets of my pickaxe revenue boosting system. We all know that mining gold is getting harder and a pickaxe in January is probably only worth $3 per gigarock. Honestly it is probably worth less than that but gold miners have gold fever and you can find enough people willing to pay $3 per gigarock in January. Still is it your fault that you can't delivery until January and thus are limited to only $3 per GH/s (probably 1000% gross markup)? Now some honest suckers might say "sorry you are going to have to live with "only" $10M in gross revenue for a couple months work". You know what I say .... that is stupid honest sucker talk. Don't listen to it for a second. I am going to show you how you can double the $10M into $20M without delivering more or earlier. Just free bonus money.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 05:37:50 PM

When you placed your Cointerra order, was it for Dec or Jan delivery?

^^^See how I *ASKED* you for information, instead of ignorantly presuming my negative bias is correct? Grin

Difficulty in Jan will be much higher than Dec, given the wafers of 500GH+ chips HashFast is about to bring online.

At no time do i think cointerra has lied about their dates. i think before tapeout they were op-timistic, but after tape-out, they have adjusted their dates and no one has been over promised. tape-out being the major milestone where the rest of the schedule becomes more predictable.

at no time did cointerra sell systems for december that they didn't think they would be able to deliver in december. if it slips a few weeks (into jan) it won't be because of lying. And if they are a few weeks late, its still within their (very narrow, i.e. 30 day) contracted delivery window. more accountable and predictable than the other guys' 60 day window.

Now, cointerra's prices for december were the lowest around.. and their january prices are less than half that and are still the lowest around ($3/gh). I feel like i will get my systems within weeks of the expected date. time will tell.

in answer to your question, i have a small order in the december batch and a larger order in the jan batch. and I'm prepared to move my few december orders into the jan batch if that ever becomes a necessary option (and i know they will take care of the price delta accordingly, which is actually very sensible of them). they've done this for other customers already.

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Quote from: aerobatic on December 14, 2013, 05:28:36 PM

there is zero chance you're a cointerra customer. you're just a troll.

and I've seen their dates.. I've toured their office.. I've even visited their board contractor... and I'm expecting my boxes in january!

Wrong again aerobatic.

I have a lot of BTC invested in Cognitive, which is a huge Cointerra customer. Ditto LTC and CipherMine.

Why not simply ask me first, before being presumptuous and making an ass of yourself? Roll Eyes

When you placed your Cointerra order, was it for Dec or Jan delivery?

^^^See how I *ASKED* you for information, instead of ignorantly presuming my negative bias is correct? Grin

If your Jan order is coming in Jan, great.

If your Dec order is coming in "Jan" you should be concerned that Cointerra was lying about the possibility of Dec delivery.

Anyway, my concern is with the Dec orders I funded via Cog and Cipher.

Cognitive and Cipher are now going to start mining in Jan, assuming everything else goes perfectly.

Difficulty in Jan will be much higher than Dec, given the wafers of 500GH+ chips HashFast is about to bring online.

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To bad that you don't have a cointerra preorder that you can exchange with my hashfast one.
The tiny difference you miss is the 2 months delays vs few weeks that cointerra will have. CT was priced at 1/5th of the HF pricing point, and the only reason HF was able to have that pricing is their __promise__ of delivery by the end of October.

Guess what? They didn't even have a mockup (rendering) of the board at the end of October.

CT has prototypes of the board that are being tested, cases that are being perfected, and is getting everything in place to ship to it's customers as soon as they can.

HF? HF has been testing the chips for like 2 weeks, they are taking their time, they don't care about their customers losing 500$ per BJ a day.

EOT;

I won't feed you anymore and i won't lose any more time answering to your stupid posts, you are ridiculous and everyone with a minimum of intelligence reading this thread can understand why your replies (to this post) will be useless.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on December 14, 2013, 05:26:07 PM

Quote from: cedivad on December 14, 2013, 05:08:11 PM

HF and CT are two companies that are run in two completely different ways.

If you disagree with me, i can exchange my HF preordered units (that should arrive before the end of the year) with CT units ordered around the same time of mine (end of August) and with a similar $ value at the time. Everyone is welcome. No discrimination for trollers. MPP included. Bulk discounts.

Cointerra knew all along they could not deliver in Dec.

They lied to get our money. Angry

We need to see their contract with the fab to get proof for the lawsuit.

We paid a huge premium for Dec delivery, but that premium will be worthless by the time they ship in late Feb.

Cointerra is looking more like Butterfly Labs 2.0 every day.

We don't want to see their extra-slick box of fancy fans; that's completely irrelevant. Without the chip it's worth nothing!

We simply want our December orders to ship in December, as per our agreement. When HashFast ships their 500GH miners, difficulty will go to the moon.

How much longer is Cointerra going to hold up our mining hardware for "testing" purposes?

there is zero chance you're a cointerra customer. you're just a troll.

and I've seen their dates.. I've toured their office.. I've even visited their board contractor... and I'm expecting my boxes in january!

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