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October 04, 2016, 09:44:53 PM
Memory speed capability mostly determined not by gpu itself but the memory chips installed and its cooling. Asus afaik has no mem cooling so this combination - slow hynix plus bad design yields low stable mem speeds. I run 1950mem with 1375 strap on sapphire ref-like rx470 without mem errors in hwinfo64.

I was a bit skeptical, since I've worked with lots of servers before and the RAM would only get warm to the touch.  However, I rely on data rather than my ego to determine what is correct, so I got out my IR thermometer and was surpised to find spots on the back of the card as hot as 98C.  I bumped the fan to manual 60%, and that brought the hot spots down to the 80s.  I then got out my infrared camera, and I could actually see the rectangular hot spots from the RAM on the other side of the board.  The worst is above the GPU where the aluminum heatsink blocks any airflow over 3 of the DDR chips.
With a small rectangular piece of aluminum plate and a thermal pad I could probably make a thermal bridge from the RAM to the heatsink to cool them down...


See my post here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wich-is-better-rx-470-refference-or-custom-fan-1615394

Actually I remember seeing that when you posted it.  But nobody actually gave any concrete info on the effect of DRAM cooling.  Had I known that they can get over 95C without heatsinks, I would've paid more attention to that when buying a card.  With the back of the board in the high 90's, the DRAM die likely was over 110C, or 25C over the maximum operating temperature for most Hynix RAM (85C).
https://www.skhynix.com/static/filedata/fileDownload.do?seq=267

Since power scales exponentially with voltage (close to V^2), if I can undervolt the memory a bit, I might be able to keep it cool enough to actually overclock it a bit more.  I'm sure the Digi+ VRM can be controlled through I2C, but I don't want to dig up a data sheet or reverse engineer the register set in order to do it...
legendary
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October 04, 2016, 08:18:28 PM
Memory speed capability mostly determined not by gpu itself but the memory chips installed and its cooling. Asus afaik has no mem cooling so this combination - slow hynix plus bad design yields low stable mem speeds. I run 1950mem with 1375 strap on sapphire ref-like rx470 without mem errors in hwinfo64.

I was a bit skeptical, since I've worked with lots of servers before and the RAM would only get warm to the touch.  However, I rely on data rather than my ego to determine what is correct, so I got out my IR thermometer and was surpised to find spots on the back of the card as hot as 98C.  I bumped the fan to manual 60%, and that brought the hot spots down to the 80s.  I then got out my infrared camera, and I could actually see the rectangular hot spots from the RAM on the other side of the board.  The worst is above the GPU where the aluminum heatsink blocks any airflow over 3 of the DDR chips.
With a small rectangular piece of aluminum plate and a thermal pad I could probably make a thermal bridge from the RAM to the heatsink to cool them down...


A topic that I know lots about  Wink - Measuring the chip itself (Tcase) or the back of the board really is not relevant at all.  GDDR5 is low voltage and it would be unlikely that the temp will have any affect at slightly overclocked speeds (Particluarly on Reference Cards as Wolf has pointed out). The outside of a Ram Package and the Board are suppose to be hot to dissipate the heat.  If the cooler is modded and/or the thermal pads are missing then that may be different but even then I would say that at the speeds used in mining that it is rare to overheat ram.

Having said that I must say that it is a different ballgame for cards with no cooling mounted to the chips at all but even the low profile ramsinks will work wonders.  If the card has no Ramsinks and isn't attached to the cooler it is a shitty card.

The VRM's and the chip itself are where cooling makes a huge difference and if the card has shitty VRM's then it might as well be a shitty card even with a pretty fan and cool temps.
legendary
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October 04, 2016, 06:59:38 PM
the VRM's get really hot on aftermarket cards...I'd say 60% minimum fan is good.  on watt tool you can see the vrm temps. 
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October 04, 2016, 06:33:22 PM
Memory speed capability mostly determined not by gpu itself but the memory chips installed and its cooling. Asus afaik has no mem cooling so this combination - slow hynix plus bad design yields low stable mem speeds. I run 1950mem with 1375 strap on sapphire ref-like rx470 without mem errors in hwinfo64.

I was a bit skeptical, since I've worked with lots of servers before and the RAM would only get warm to the touch.  However, I rely on data rather than my ego to determine what is correct, so I got out my IR thermometer and was surpised to find spots on the back of the card as hot as 98C.  I bumped the fan to manual 60%, and that brought the hot spots down to the 80s.  I then got out my infrared camera, and I could actually see the rectangular hot spots from the RAM on the other side of the board.  The worst is above the GPU where the aluminum heatsink blocks any airflow over 3 of the DDR chips.
With a small rectangular piece of aluminum plate and a thermal pad I could probably make a thermal bridge from the RAM to the heatsink to cool them down...
legendary
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October 04, 2016, 04:31:48 PM
Memory speed capability mostly determined not by gpu itself but the memory chips installed and its cooling. Asus afaik has no mem cooling so this combination - slow hynix plus bad design yields low stable mem speeds. I run 1950mem with 1375 strap on sapphire ref-like rx470 without mem errors in hwinfo64.
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October 04, 2016, 02:33:32 PM
How about a pic showing more than 2 mins running time....

He could have lucked out and one out of the 4 cards is stable at 0.9V/1095Mhz.  Most cards won't do that.  Even 1.0V at that frequency is probably around a 50/50 chance.

I have no much experience but both of my cards can do [email protected]. Moreover my dragon 480 can do [email protected] with low asic 60+. Sapphire ref 470 requires 0.92 to run at 1150. And for your words about Asus - this sapphire is dirt cheap and has nice vrm cooling.

I just noticed the mem clock in the screen shot is 1900, while I've been using 1950.
@rednoW, what is the mem clock you are using when you are running [email protected]?

Edit: I've dropped my memory clock to 1750 to do some baseline testing, and 1070core at -81mv (GPU tweak's max) seems completely stable.
I initially though all the polaris chips could handle 2Ghz memory easily, but now I'm thinking the 470s may be binned not just for bad compute units, but also for memory interface speed. I also noticed I was getting a lot of GPU memory errors at 1950, vs almost none at 1900.  If I could find a utility that can control the Digi+ VRM, then I could try over-volting the memory.  In the mean time I may try boosting VDDCI.
legendary
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October 04, 2016, 12:49:40 PM
How about a pic showing more than 2 mins running time....

He could have lucked out and one out of the 4 cards is stable at 0.9V/1095Mhz.  Most cards won't do that.  Even 1.0V at that frequency is probably around a 50/50 chance.

I have no much experience but both of my cards can do [email protected]. Moreover my dragon 480 can do [email protected] with low asic 60+. Sapphire ref 470 requires 0.92 to run at 1150. And for your words about Asus - this sapphire is dirt cheap and has nice vrm cooling.
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October 04, 2016, 11:38:02 AM
How about a pic showing more than 2 mins running time....

He could have lucked out and one out of the 4 cards is stable at 0.9V/1095Mhz.  Most cards won't do that.  Even 1.0V at that frequency is probably around a 50/50 chance.
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October 04, 2016, 11:02:31 AM
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How Low Can You Go??? HAhahahahahahahaha and this is from DUAL MINING!!!!

DAMN THAT'S VERY LOW POWER DRAW.
can you share your rom ?
currectly im running rx 470 4gb at 28mhs+300mhs sia coin, i have polor and saphire too.

I dont remember my setting much ... will look it up on my logs and get back to you ... i had it running 390watt for 4 cards + mobo off the wall. Funny thing is that I am living in the tropics and weather are at constant 31 - 33 C at day time with mid humidity and this rig was not hot in anyway even its not in any AC enviroment.

How about a pic showing more than 2 mins running time....
sr. member
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October 04, 2016, 09:48:33 AM
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How Low Can You Go??? HAhahahahahahahaha and this is from DUAL MINING!!!!

DAMN THAT'S VERY LOW POWER DRAW.
can you share your rom ?
currectly im running rx 470 4gb at 28mhs+300mhs sia coin, i have polor and saphire too.

I dont remember my setting much ... will look it up on my logs and get back to you ... i had it running 390watt for 4 cards + mobo off the wall. Funny thing is that I am living in the tropics and weather are at constant 31 - 33 C at day time with mid humidity and this rig was not hot in anyway even its not in any AC enviroment.
hero member
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BitcoreService.com
October 04, 2016, 09:36:00 AM
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How Low Can You Go??? HAhahahahahahahaha and this is from DUAL MINING!!!!

DAMN THAT'S VERY LOW POWER DRAW.
can you share your rom ?
currectly im running rx 470 4gb at 28mhs+300mhs sia coin, i have polor and saphire too.
sr. member
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October 04, 2016, 09:34:07 AM
Seems that asus not so good. I have ref-like sapphire rx470 4gb hynix and it is doing 28mhs 1140/1950 at 0.92v
I'm using 1350 strap. No mem errors in hwinfo at all. Rock stable.
It can do 29.5mhs with 1140/2050 with 1500 strap but with mem errors, I don't like it.

Actually, I like the Asus cards because:
1) they are cheap (<$200USD)
2) the VRM looks well-designed (with heatsinks on the mosfets)
3) their custom digi+ VRM theoretically permits soft mod of the memory voltage (haven't found software for this yet)
Toms has a nice teardown:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-470,4703.html

The ASIC quality on my card is 72%, which may account for the difficulty under-volting.  It seems low leakage parts often (though not always) don't undervolt as well as high leakage parts.
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October 04, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
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How Low Can You Go??? HAhahahahahahahaha and this is from DUAL MINING!!!!
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October 04, 2016, 08:00:08 AM
Hi guys i need some help, have problem with my rig, won't work stable more than 5-6 hours.
Specification of the rig is 5 x Asus rx470, Asrock H81 BTC board, Corsair RX1000i.

I moded bios and copied 1500 bios straps in rows above. Set Gpu clock on 1100mhz, memory 1850mhz, voltage -1000mV and getting 26 Mhs. But my rig is unstable, does anyone have idea what can be problem, I tried with different OC values. Is it 1000mV enough for Asus Rx470 4gb Strix gaming cards?
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October 04, 2016, 07:13:21 AM
Some extremely valuable information in this thread. I'm considering buying 4 cards since the "ETH timebomb" has been effectively pushed back.
I'm faced with a choice of 3 cards and could really do with some advice (I live in South Africa so the prices below is what it costs me to buy them here):

$228 - Sapphire rX-470 - Nitro edition - 4Gb Oc
$286 - Sapphire rX-470 - Nitro edition - 8Gb Oc
$279 - Sapphire rX-480 - Nitro edition - 4Gb

There is so much misinformation online that i was struggling to decide. Power consumption isn't an issue for me as my power at work is free and i have a rather rooftop large solar / PV setup at home so electricity is free at home as well.. Are the 4Gb cards doing to still be able to mine ETH in year from now?

For the life of me I can't decide, any advice?

Edit: When ETH becomes unminable, would the 480's be better cards for mining other coins?
legendary
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October 04, 2016, 01:30:27 AM
Seems that asus not so good. I have ref-like sapphire rx470 4gb hynix and it is doing 28mhs 1140/1950 at 0.92v
I'm using 1350 strap. No mem errors in hwinfo at all. Rock stable.
It can do 29.5mhs with 1140/2050 with 1500 strap but with mem errors, I don't like it.
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October 03, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
asus rx 470 4Gb
win7 x64
@1140core/7504gddrr5 (hynix ajr R0C)
26.5mh/s
 Cool

is it stable?
i use same card asus rx 470 4b too

I can hit 27.4 on linux.

Getting about the same (27.3-27.4) on Win7 with 16.9.2 drivers.  Running 1100/1950, using the 1500Mhz strap.  Also had to boost the power limit to stop it from throttling.  Can manage a 50mV undervolt (GPU-Z shows 1.1V VDDC), but 75mV isn't stable.  Gonna do a bit more experimenting before trying it on my Ubuntu 14.04.4 rig.
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October 03, 2016, 06:39:39 PM
How to use patched atikmdag.sys ?
I flashed moded bios, than installed previous driver to match atikmdag.sys and graphics cards "disappeared" for driver.

Edit: Updated from 16.8.2 to 16.9.2 and it works, but can't adjust power limit in watmann and increasing mem clock doesn't do much of a good thing.
I'm confused what is this patch for

What OS are you using?  I just got a Rx 470 and installed 16.9.2 on Win 7.  Hashrate at default clocks (1250/1650) is only 20.5.
I tested with a R9 380 which would get ~22Mh with 15.7.1 on the same machine, and it only gets 19.5 now.


I found out Asus GPU tweak II causes a slowdown if it is left running during mining.  With it closed during mining, running at 1097/1925 I'm getting 27Mh/s after modding the BIOS.  The card is an Asus Rx 470 4G with Hynix RAM.  Power consumption is ~210W at the wall with the core running at 1.1V.  Reducing the core to 1075mV gave me the blue screen after a couple minutes of mining.
sr. member
Activity: 588
Merit: 251
October 03, 2016, 02:55:07 PM
How to use patched atikmdag.sys ?
I flashed moded bios, than installed previous driver to match atikmdag.sys and graphics cards "disappeared" for driver.

Edit: Updated from 16.8.2 to 16.9.2 and it works, but can't adjust power limit in watmann and increasing mem clock doesn't do much of a good thing.
I'm confused what is this patch for

What OS are you using?  I just got a Rx 470 and installed 16.9.2 on Win 7.  Hashrate at default clocks (1250/1650) is only 20.5.
I tested with a R9 380 which would get ~22Mh with 15.7.1 on the same machine, and it only gets 19.5 now.
hero member
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October 03, 2016, 02:32:50 PM
My local store run out of sapphire branded cards. Some one has successfully flashed some others non reference 470 4gb card ? I would like know the exact model so that i can order some of them Smiley
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