Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. Quelle horreur! Doesn't the same apply to the pro forma "Have a nice day"?
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If it is a companies public stance not to promote any religion or foster religious believes/religions it may be seen as a valid stance to restrict the use of religious expressions. This is a working place after all and the person in question is employed there (well not anymore in this case, but yeah...)
First, I would have to agree that free speech seems to end at corporate doorsteps, and I concede that with no excitement. I think sometimes the freedoms we have won are marginalized by our corporate lives, where we often live 2/3 of our days. So, in that regard, yes, the company has the right to demand an employee stop this use of greeting or goodbye.
On a personal basis I see this as "more information than I needed to know". By that I mean, if when our transaction was completed you said "And do you like my nice wig" i would also think more than I needed to know. In either case you are presenting me with something personal in a transaction where that degree of personal is inappropriate.
It is not about religion, it is about invading my privacy. Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. And my verbal response might be rude because you crossed a privacy line.
I do not want your blessing, or your pictures of kids, or to approve of oyur wig or anything other than to complete my transaction.
Though not religious, I have many times exclaimed "Bless you!" at a kindness or a favor. Getting annoyed at a "Have a blessed day" is so far removed from my sensibilities it really is genuinely difficult to identify with the mindset that is put off. Hey, I'll take all the blessings I can get from whomever is inclined to send them my way.
If it is a companies public stance not to promote any religion or foster religious believes/religions it may be seen as a valid stance to restrict the use of religious expressions. This is a working place after all and the person in question is employed there (well not anymore in this case, but yeah...)
First, I would have to agree that free speech seems to end at corporate doorsteps, and I concede that with no excitement. I think sometimes the freedoms we have won are marginalized by our corporate lives, where we often live 2/3 of our days. So, in that regard, yes, the company has the right to demand an employee stop this use of greeting or goodbye.
On a personal basis I see this as "more information than I needed to know". By that I mean, if when our transaction was completed you said "And do you like my nice wig" i would also think more than I needed to know. In either case you are presenting me with something personal in a transaction where that degree of personal is inappropriate.
It is not about religion, it is about invading my privacy. Once you have made this statement I feel compelled to nod, smile, or verbally respond. And my verbal response might be rude because you crossed a privacy line.
I do not want your blessing, or your pictures of kids, or to approve of oyur wig or anything other than to complete my transaction.
You can't be that stupid to fire someone on two words, it could be a mistake, so fuck it, it happens. Thats just USA again.
It will be nazi society soon. You won't be able to speak your mind and share your thoughts. They will be only one way of thinking for everyone. And I can see clearly that it is already started. Big brother is watching you.
The thing is, "Have a blessed day" could be neo-pagan as easily as Christian. I have no objection at all to such a greeting - or to the Muslim one, for that matter. My philosophy is that if someone says "I'm gonna pray for you", even if they mean it in a mean spirited and judgmental way, the proper response is always "Thank you". Here's the thing with this story, though - she doesn't own or run the bank. She's an employee there. And if they have rules prohibiting employees from expressing religions greetings to customers, then she should respect that. If she was warned several times, and continued to do it, I have no problem with the bank manager firing her.
I completely agree with . Why would I take offense when someone wishes me a good day no matter how it is framed. The problem seems to be she didn't stop with just that in spite of all the warnings from her boss. She got fired and I believe the courts will say it was justified. Its never a good idea to refuse to do what a cop or your boss tells you to do. It's like the new Walgreens campaign. A few months ago I was mildly pleased when the clerk closed the sale with "Thank you, and be well." I thought what a nice thing to say. And then they all started saying it. Buy a pack of gum, you get a ty and be well. Pick up your pills...pharmacy tech says ty, and be well. Now, do you really think any of these people give a rip if I stay well...really? No, the guys in the board room thought "Hey, let's try this. Call your managers and put it in the training manual."
She wasn't fired for her religious beliefs, she was fired for purposefully ignoring orders. I would've fired her too; if I ask you to do X and you do Y, you have made yourself useless to me, ergo unfit for employment. Then she lies about why she was fired, claims it was because she was religious, pulls out the discrimination card, and expects to be paid for not working there anymore like the business is her ex-husband.
In other news, feminists are outraged that businesses aren't hiring enough women.
If she's smart she'll tell them she's gay, and then she'll not only get her job back, but a bonus and a parade to go along with it. In other news, feminists are outraged that businesses aren't hiring enough women.
Woman fired for saying 'blessed day'?
A bank teller claims she was fired from U.S. Bank for telling a customer to "have a blessed day."
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/07/06/pkg-bank-teller-fired-for-saying-have-a-blessed-day.wxix.html
A bank teller claims she was fired from U.S. Bank for telling a customer to "have a blessed day."
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/07/06/pkg-bank-teller-fired-for-saying-have-a-blessed-day.wxix.html
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Bank clerk warned several times to keep her religious views to herself and to stop bringing religion up to customers. Finally she's fired and now she is suing the bank. This could be an important case in terms of religious rights and the rights of employers. Take a look at the short video and tell us what you think will happen.
That's pretty extreme having a blessed day is pretty nice to hear
Wouldn't even say blessing people is entirely religious bunch of zealot atheists lol.
The thing is, "Have a blessed day" could be neo-pagan as easily as Christian. I have no objection at all to such a greeting - or to the Muslim one, for that matter. My philosophy is that if someone says "I'm gonna pray for you", even if they mean it in a mean spirited and judgmental way, the proper response is always "Thank you". Here's the thing with this story, though - she doesn't own or run the bank. She's an employee there. And if they have rules prohibiting employees from expressing religions greetings to customers, then she should respect that. If she was warned several times, and continued to do it, I have no problem with the bank manager firing her.
Summed it up for me as well
But Altoids in another thread added a nice bonus
Lol good old Chase. I hate that bank with a passion. Still have a mortgage with them after they bought out a Met Life mortgage - trying to pay it down as fast as I can.
This is the same bank that was doing a LGBT litmus for it's employees:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/18651-jpmorgan-chase-surveys-employees-about-support-for-lgbt-agenda
This is the same bank that went after active duty military families:
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/19/133036957/bank-overcharged-military-families-on-mortgages
Bastards advertised a 0% business loan for me once and I spent 4 hours reading all the fine print, 3 months later they claimed they changed the terms and the rate was now 14%. What business borrows at 14%. And they sent a document in the mail non-registered, no signature.
Call you local TV station and nail their ass to the wall!
This is the same bank that was doing a LGBT litmus for it's employees:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/18651-jpmorgan-chase-surveys-employees-about-support-for-lgbt-agenda
This is the same bank that went after active duty military families:
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/19/133036957/bank-overcharged-military-families-on-mortgages
Bastards advertised a 0% business loan for me once and I spent 4 hours reading all the fine print, 3 months later they claimed they changed the terms and the rate was now 14%. What business borrows at 14%. And they sent a document in the mail non-registered, no signature.
Call you local TV station and nail their ass to the wall!
One bank thats like no religious views the other is like Support the Gays or we will fire you and yes were allowed to use an internal survey.
If it is a companies public stance not to promote any religion or foster religious believes/religions it may be seen as a valid stance to restrict the use of religious expressions. This is a working place after all and the person in question is employed there (well not anymore in this case, but yeah...)
Fuck I must have been tired when I read this
Yeah, that doesn't sit well, she clearly was being evangelical about it, that's a bit like if I sat at a bank and kept on recommending customers use Bitcoin, in fact it would probably worse because it would be helping their competition
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Bank clerk warned several times to keep her religious views to herself and to stop bringing religion up to customers
Yeah, that doesn't sit well, she clearly was being evangelical about it, that's a bit like if I sat at a bank and kept on recommending customers use Bitcoin, in fact it would probably worse because it would be helping their competition
it's not the same
since you're advertising for your own profit
while she's not
and it's somehow automatical, like when someone sneezes, you say bless you!
Apparently you didn't watch the video, she was proselytizing to customers and, certainly, also to coworkers, she had to go...
People think they can get way with anything if they claim it's their religious beliefs, well, they cannot!
Fuck I must have been tired when I read this
Yeah, that doesn't sit well, she clearly was being evangelical about it, that's a bit like if I sat at a bank and kept on recommending customers use Bitcoin, in fact it would probably worse because it would be helping their competition
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Bank clerk warned several times to keep her religious views to herself and to stop bringing religion up to customers
Yeah, that doesn't sit well, she clearly was being evangelical about it, that's a bit like if I sat at a bank and kept on recommending customers use Bitcoin, in fact it would probably worse because it would be helping their competition
it's not the same
since you're advertising for your own profit
while she's not
and it's somehow automatical, like when someone sneezes, you say bless you!
Well, whether or not she thought it was for her own profit/salvation/morality/whatever, she had been repeatedly warned not to do it, and apparently kept doing it. And this is obviously not just about the "have a blessed day", so she likely had more control over it than that.
Fuck I must have been tired when I read this
Yeah, that doesn't sit well, she clearly was being evangelical about it, that's a bit like if I sat at a bank and kept on recommending customers use Bitcoin, in fact it would probably worse because it would be helping their competition
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Bank clerk warned several times to keep her religious views to herself and to stop bringing religion up to customers
Yeah, that doesn't sit well, she clearly was being evangelical about it, that's a bit like if I sat at a bank and kept on recommending customers use Bitcoin, in fact it would probably worse because it would be helping their competition
She wasn't fired for her religious beliefs, she was fired for purposefully ignoring orders. I would've fired her too; if I ask you to do X and you do Y, you have made yourself useless to me, ergo unfit for employment. Then she lies about why she was fired, claims it was because she was religious, pulls out the discrimination card, and expects to be paid for not working there anymore like the business is her ex-husband.
In other news, feminists are outraged that businesses aren't hiring enough women.
In other news, feminists are outraged that businesses aren't hiring enough women.
I admit, I feel like openly cringing when someone says "god bless you" but to actually fire someone over saying "Have a blessed day" is a bit much, it's like Fox News getting wound up about people not saying Christmas, get the fuck over it, it's not the end of the world.
The moment we start banning people or dictating employment or arresting them based on something they say is the moment we are living in an irrational and paranoid dictatorship.
The moment we start banning people or dictating employment or arresting them based on something they say is the moment we are living in an irrational and paranoid dictatorship.
The thing is, "Have a blessed day" could be neo-pagan as easily as Christian. I have no objection at all to such a greeting - or to the Muslim one, for that matter. My philosophy is that if someone says "I'm gonna pray for you", even if they mean it in a mean spirited and judgmental way, the proper response is always "Thank you". Here's the thing with this story, though - she doesn't own or run the bank. She's an employee there. And if they have rules prohibiting employees from expressing religions greetings to customers, then she should respect that. If she was warned several times, and continued to do it, I have no problem with the bank manager firing her.
I completely agree with . Why would I take offense when someone wishes me a good day no matter how it is framed. The problem seems to be she didn't stop with just that in spite of all the warnings from her boss. She got fired and I believe the courts will say it was justified. Its never a good idea to refuse to do what a cop or your boss tells you to do. Interesting how much language and how it is used is coming into play lately. I'd have to give it some thought as to how this will be ruled on, and it would be a guess anyway. I will say this; whenever some clerk says "Have a blessed day" to me, it irritates me. While understanding the benign intent, I don't need a stranger's "blessing" on my day.
Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
I wonder if the Christian bashing Muslim kiss ass liberals would be outraged if the convenience store clerk (nice stereotyping) got fired for saying "Go with Allah"? I think we all know the liberal double standard answer to that.Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
BTW, I'm no theologian but how is saying have a blessed day pertain only to Christians? I mean that sounds pretty generic to me.
For instance here is some of the definitions for blessed in the dictionary.
protect somebody or something: to watch over somebody or something protectively.
wish somebody or something well: to declare approval and support for somebody or something.
: to confer prosperity or happiness upon.
to speak well of.
used in the phrase bless you to wish good health especially to one who has just sneezed .
I don't get what liberalism has to do with this...
But if a muslin was proselytizing to customers the business would get so much complaints he would get fired in the same day, that's for sure.
And tell me nobody is buying she was fired for just saying "have a blessed day."
Interesting how much language and how it is used is coming into play lately. I'd have to give it some thought as to how this will be ruled on, and it would be a guess anyway. I will say this; whenever some clerk says "Have a blessed day" to me, it irritates me. While understanding the benign intent, I don't need a stranger's "blessing" on my day.
Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
I wonder if the Christian bashing Muslim kiss ass liberals would be outraged if the convenience store clerk (nice stereotyping) got fired for saying "Go with Allah"? I think we all know the liberal double standard answer to that.Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
BTW, I'm no theologian but how is saying have a blessed day pertain only to Christians? I mean that sounds pretty generic to me.
For instance here is some of the definitions for blessed in the dictionary.
protect somebody or something: to watch over somebody or something protectively.
wish somebody or something well: to declare approval and support for somebody or something.
: to confer prosperity or happiness upon.
to speak well of.
used in the phrase bless you to wish good health especially to one who has just sneezed .
That would be national news complete with protesters and fatwas. We have become hypersensitive to perceived slights. US Bank can hire or fire whomever they want regardless of race or religion etc.
Interesting how much language and how it is used is coming into play lately. I'd have to give it some thought as to how this will be ruled on, and it would be a guess anyway. I will say this; whenever some clerk says "Have a blessed day" to me, it irritates me. While understanding the benign intent, I don't need a stranger's "blessing" on my day.
Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
Now who would have figured that you'd be irritated because someone said "have a blessed day"? I guess its safe to say you've never counted your blessings because that would mean thanking God.Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
I'm going to guess that her statement won't be viewed as religious and that demanding she not say it is a violation of her free speech. I would much rather have someone like her waiting on me than someone with a sour puss because she's never counted her blessings.
Wouldn't want to offend anybody.
Interesting how much language and how it is used is coming into play lately. I'd have to give it some thought as to how this will be ruled on, and it would be a guess anyway. I will say this; whenever some clerk says "Have a blessed day" to me, it irritates me. While understanding the benign intent, I don't need a stranger's "blessing" on my day.
Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
I wonder if the Christian bashing Muslim kiss ass liberals would be outraged if the convenience store clerk (nice stereotyping) got fired for saying "Go with Allah"? I think we all know the liberal double standard answer to that.Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
BTW, I'm no theologian but how is saying have a blessed day pertain only to Christians? I mean that sounds pretty generic to me.
For instance here is some of the definitions for blessed in the dictionary.
protect somebody or something: to watch over somebody or something protectively.
wish somebody or something well: to declare approval and support for somebody or something.
: to confer prosperity or happiness upon.
to speak well of.
used in the phrase bless you to wish good health especially to one who has just sneezed .
Interesting how much language and how it is used is coming into play lately. I'd have to give it some thought as to how this will be ruled on, and it would be a guess anyway. I will say this; whenever some clerk says "Have a blessed day" to me, it irritates me. While understanding the benign intent, I don't need a stranger's "blessing" on my day.
Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
I wonder if the Christian bashing Muslim kiss ass liberals would be outraged if the convenience store clerk (nice stereotyping) got fired for saying "Go with Allah"? I think we all know the liberal double standard answer to that.Maybe we should ask our Christians if they would appreciate "Go with Allah" from the convenience store clerk.
BTW, I'm no theologian but how is saying have a blessed day pertain only to Christians? I mean that sounds pretty generic to me.
For instance here is some of the definitions for blessed in the dictionary.
protect somebody or something: to watch over somebody or something protectively.
wish somebody or something well: to declare approval and support for somebody or something.
: to confer prosperity or happiness upon.
to speak well of.
used in the phrase bless you to wish good health especially to one who has just sneezed .
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