Topic: Have you noticed many newbies/junior members opening threads lately? (Read 649 times)

hi,
In fact, in the absence of an efficient search engine, the "bumps" and replys of certain topics are necessary.

That said, as long as someone does not exceed the written rules and the etiquette (not written), what is the problem, especially in these moments where there is a certain spirit of new users.

let the beginnings of topics "jump," but constructive, there is already a certain resentment for those who are not, in any case we are all on the same line, we all seek to contribute, sometimes it is achieved sometimes not.

The irony of your post is that you went through the same situation, you have 59 topics¹.

One of the two users mentioned in this thread, I bring it up because they already mentioned it but it could be anyone else, he has 40¹ topics started.

This guy started on September 10, 2020, if we compare it with you Date Registered: August 02, 2020, you have 19 more topics, then is it the rank?

I think it is necessary to encourage more topics and not restrict the intention regardless of the rank, the time, the important thing is the contribution intention.

 

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The simple word "thank you" without comment is usually removed. There was a lot of controversy about this. If you want to thank a person or several people who answered your questions, combine everything in one post, we often see a simple "thank you" answer that is written to everyone who answered. Just make it clear that you understood everything that interested you, and here you need to be a little more eloquent. And also in addition to what you watched, and you liked any answer, you can use merit (well, I think everyone is familiar with this)

I replied one post one by one to express my gratitude to the friend who provided help, but the posts were deleted by the administrator.

Excluding the members who genuinely wants to learn about bitcoin so they create topic, I do find it odd too that there are a lot of newbies posting threads and most of them are posting some sort of promotion that gets deleted by the mods but it seems that this people are still doing it using another account promoting something.

I am a beginner. Although I have known the Bitcoin forum for more than a year, it is a recent thing to really get into and familiar with the forum. One of my feelings is that many sections of the forum are not very active, and active people are slowly Both leave an impression on each other, so when new people appear in large numbers, we should pay attention to the following points:

• Does the newcomer abide by the rules of the forum?Nothing can be accomplished without norms or standards，No one can break.
• Whether newcomers can post some high-quality content, content is king.
• Whether the newcomer is for learning rather than simply doing bounty programs, because I found that many people have very high active values, but MERIT is 0

I also sincerely put forward some of my comments.

• We should actively encourage those novices who have attitudes, content, and opinions, and don't reject them
• People's reality is not a problem, but it is not right to seek quick success. I think that in the bounty program sector, thresholds should be set up to be operated by different teams. The establishment of an access system, including project review, can prevent newcomers who simply do the plan, and feel that they have a lot of alt, This is annoying
• I personally hate spam. Reading that they are disrespectful to time. Therefore, newcomers should set up a procedure similar to an exam and enter the forum after passing.

Personal point of view, I hope you can provide more comments, thank you, thank you. I will accept your criticism and guidance.

Well it all depends on you and what you consider his observations to be, at some point I was in this shoes as I got observed but Instead of playing the victim/pity card, I seized the opportunity to better myself. When you're been corrected don't consider it as an attack. Understand that he won't be gaining anything from attacking so why will he be wasting his precious time doing so.

Take the corrections as what they're, atleast it means someone is looking into your account or observing you and if you better yourself definitely the effort will be rewarded. In regrads to newbies opening more thread, while as a newbie there's always the mentality that threads easily get more merits than reply so this drive them into putting more effort in threads creation.

And if there's an observations of newbie threads getting merited than more will follow that pattern hoping for same reward. If you're a newbie reading this, I'll advice you to put more efforts into replies as much as you do in creating threads. People react more to reply and provided you write something worth rewarding, you'll get merited. You don't have to spam the forum with generic threads.

Its a vicious cycle. When you sign up on this forum, your probably pretty new to Bitcoin, and with that excitement you can't wait to post, and because you lack the experience at that point in time, with the old forum system, and Bitcoin your probably going to say a lot of things which shows that you are inexperienced, but not only that Bitcointalk is probably one of the best forums in terms of the posting standards set by the community, and the guidelines so new users might not understand why asking a question that's been asked a million times or why their reply was reported, and deleted.

Then the older users after time become more experienced, and they've seen the same types of questions, and start to find it tedious. So, what might be an innocent question, becomes spam to those that are experienced, yet a couple of years ago they would have seen that as normal. There's a sort of elitism that comes with higher ranks, and its just a unfortunate part of life in almost every department, you'll see that elitism creep in. However, we've got to understand that newbies are generally quite eager to get involved in Bitcoin, and I do think we are a little hostile at times, and sometimes its probably warranted. Finding the in between is probably pretty hard for most users. I understand from both perspectives.

We know that users who want to earn merit, try to create threads because its more exposure, and that might lead to more merits. Like I said though previously, while it probably does still apply, I believe the merit coverage these days means that replies get just as much attention.

This is probably the case for most users. I remember how long it took me to get the "Reporting Effectively" thread up, and how long that took. Although, I think partly that was because of the way it was set out, and it being a guide rather than personal opinion so there was a lot of research that went into that. Replies, most people do off the cuff, rather than cite research etc. There are definitely exceptions to that though.

Can't blame the seniors because they've seen the patterns. A minority of them are genuinely interested, then we have those coming to "work for companies" and the plagiarizers. And then the old returning as new members.

I have been on both sides of the divide; the lowest rank and the highest and I can understand why lower ranked members can view the retorts of higher ranked members as standoffish and also how higher ranked members would see posts from lower ranked as insincere or made to bait others for merits.

This is a general forum and there are different kind of members here, the trolls, spammers, scammers, helpful members etc, and regardless of your rank you will have to grow a thick skin so as not to take any comment here too personal, while also being open to learning regardless of your rank.

You can not justify his reasons of making such posts cause it may look suspicious to you, while to him might be a reasonable question. The level of understand of this forum and how it works differs especially to a person that doesn't have good knowledge on cryptocurrency and it activities.

Don't try to judge anybody here, we are all learning. It wouldn't be bad if he/she is corrected not castigating them. We'll started as a novice and we'll are expected to show an epitome. No body is perfect!

I have that feeling as well but I also have a perfectly good explanation for it based on my own example. When I am opening a thread that post usually takes much more time and effort from me than a reply on someone else topic which results in longer and hopefully more valuable post to the community as whole. Or in other case I am running a gambling pool or something and OP is like the default place for people to recognize my efforts throughout the entire thread which lasts for whole year or even longer.

If you were an account farmer and you were sorely missing a series of easy replies to something you've milked, how easy would it be to simply create an account or access a low-activity account, and create a thread to fulfill that purpose of being a megathread?

Some users simply continue the cycle of low-effort posts.

This forum some times is a little too hostile towards newbies and while you might be right remember that there is other people that see it. You being hostile towards a member that probably is a alt could be putting off genuine newbies from posting. We do not want the reputation that we have started to get. If you think a member is a alt account then that does not matter because they are allowed. If they are abusing the merit system or trust system only then is it worth bringing it to light and you would need some evidence to back that claim up too.
Well its both they are probably not bumping it out of the kindness of their hearts they are probably trying to get more merit by bumping that is not taking away from the fact that its a useful thread. Ognasty while probably a little too harsh has a point and its just as valid as yours.

If a newbie wrote a really good post they would probably keep bumping it hoping that they would get more merit you cannot just ignore that is their motivation the same as any higher ranked members the motive is the same.

I think I know which forum member you are referring to and I don't really know what it's all about but it seems to me that you have had a confrontation or something and I'm not going to get involved. But I'll give you my honest opinion.

The difference between that member and the newbies/juniors I mentioned is that the latter open a thread (often in the hope of catching credit) and then don't respond anymore. They don't bump their threads.

In the case of the user you mention, he not only has 7 threads in the first meta pages. He has a lot of threads in various sections of the forum that are very useful and have earned a lot of merit for it. To me in particular I have found the one about fees very useful.

In other words

1) The behavior of this user is completely different from the newbies I mentioned in the OP.
2) You are trying to paint a picture that is simply untrue. It's not like he somehow gets too much merit just because he bumps his threads as a technique to get them. He gets a lot of merit because he has written very useful posts that have served a lot of people over time and that's why he gets so much merit. It is very relevant to bump those threads because they help a lot of people.

I think it's nice to see other people starting threads.  There are lots of longtime members who start their own threads and bump them endlessly as a way to earn merit.  Looking at the first 2 pages of this section alone I see 1 user has started and bumped 7 of their own threads dating back years...  It isn't really a problem with just new users.  So long as they see certain individuals getting handsomely rewarded for this behavior, you can't really fault them for attempting it themselves.  Be careful who you promote as leaders of this community because new users follow and the Bitcoiners are becoming few and far between here.

Nah, I bet the odds are significantly greater than that, but it kind of depends on how much effort the newbie puts into the OP of the thread he started.  I think this was mentioned, but it seems like most newbies who create threads don't end up posting in them ever again.  It's almost as if they don't really want to discuss whatever the topic of their thread is; they just want to try their luck at getting merits.  Sometimes it works if the post isn't horrible, but I'd say it's more like a 10-20% chance that they do end up with some merits.

If you define "luck" as the generosity of a merit source that happens to read a thread started by a newcomer, then yeah, I'd agree.  But the main factor is the member's writing skill and the importance/significance of the topic--and we all know most of these threads are just complete crap and should never have been started in the first place.

Cleary the trend is here and more and more are popping up
One of them even dared to make topic how opening topics is not merit hunting:
I quoted 4 of his topics here, in none has me bothered to contribute to the discussion, and guess what, today 3 more

Meaning of mining
Don't be too desperate to make earning

Reason I love bitcoin


I reported the first one as it's pure garbage, let's see what the mods think about it.

With all the tools our beloved AI users have created, is there a way to track the activity rank of users that opened topics? I'm really curious about the percentages, especially in the BD section.

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Thank you very much for your kind reminders and valuable suggestions, thank you very much. I also know that these articles I write are hard to get the likes of most users. Few people can read all the text patiently. As you said, the words I wrote have become my philosophical reflections. I think more about Bitcoin from a philosophical and logical perspective. Most people now know Bitcoin mainly from a technical point of view and an application point of view. This has caused a bias in cognition. Perhaps few people now have the patience to read these words, I think it is not important. I believe that more and more people will start thinking about Bitcoin from a multi-disciplinary perspective, and my thinking will be helpful to these people. I believe these words of mine are alive. Maybe in the next five or ten years, someone will still read the words I wrote today and be inspired by them.
At the same time, although these articles of mine are in different threads, the views expressed by each individual thread are independent and have their own unique logic. Some friends may think that these articles are similar in content, but when we read each article carefully, we will find that the logic expressed in each article is different. Each has its own system. I also believe that this is also the greatest value of these articles. They can help more people understand Bitcoin from different angles and disciplines, and then develop a deeper understanding of Bitcoin.

To be honest, everything you wrote could realistically be contained in 2 or 3 threads, and by no means in 10 of them. In addition, such long posts will not attract a large audience, because a good part of users do not read anything but the title and a few first sentences - and they are not particularly interested in the philosophical reflections you present.

However, since you put a lot of effort into creating these posts, no one reported them on any grounds - although you still need to think a little about the fact that not every thought of yours is worth sharing with others. But this is just my thinking and well-intentioned advice, the number of answers (those of good quality and meaningful) in your threads will be the best indicator of what people think about your content.