Topic: Have you noticed many newbies/junior members opening threads lately? - page 2. (Read 651 times)

It happens everywhere, those people hardly ever bother to check the date and keep bumping.

Dead bounties, threads, you name it, they're there.

That actually a pretty common thing across various forums; people register on forum asking help for some specific issue or question they have, and after getting an answer, in majority of cases they just disappear and never come back. So yeah, nothing extraordinary there.

I did the similar thing on some other forums as well, disappearing after getting hep with specific problem I had, but at least saying thank you/writing few posts before going AWOL is part of basic posting etiquette, which many fail to do.

Example is from this poster Should I get a loan? and I made a shot of the profile and the time difference between making that post purportedly seeking an answer and the last time the OP was active on the forum. It's just a second difference.



Up till now, the OP hasn't made another post and hasn't been online. It's almost a month now. The funny thing is that others are still posting and spamming there in their bid to proffer solutions to OP who has gone MIA.

I said some newbies think that if they open a lot of threads, they will get merit, so they try different strategies. I just talked about the purpose of those users. It is often seen that opening a thread from a newbie account is like "How to be a good member of the forum". Then when you get this kind of advice from these newbies, it feels different.

Those who open the informative and interesting thread should be encouraged more so that they share more creative and informative things for the community members. So as many new threads will open it will be good for us, it will be effective for the community members to learn something new. So It doesn't matter, which rank member has opened that thread.

Yeah, we see them dize a dozen. Mostly as an attempt to fish some Merits or "work in a company" like some fella posted recently.

They had the impression that they could start earning right off the bat but after seeing there's nothing that they could take advantage of, they leave.

I was reminded that it was mentioned in this post. Thank you for your attention to me. I just read this post from top to bottom, and I didn't expect everyone to be so concerned about new threads posted by newbies. Regardless of other newbies, I just talk about some of my feelings. In the past week, I did post a lot of new threads, but this definitely does not mean that these threads are repetitive or not of quality.


Although I am a newbies in the forum, I am not a newbies in the blockchain field.I have rich experience in blockchain industry. In the past three or four years, I have conducted deep learning and thinking on Bitcoin, and slowly formed my own knowledge system. Now I just output the content of my thinking in the form of different posts. Here, I want to emphasize a few points:

1.Merit is not my purpose. No matter whether there is merit or not, I will insist on writing and output. What I care about is the continuous output of my knowledge system, not to get a few merits;
2.All the content I write is my original thinking. I organize and output the fragmented information to form a systematic knowledge system. I disdain to plagiarize;
3.Although I write a lot of threads, there may be more in the future. But I will confirm that each thread has its own theme and content, has its own point of view, and has its own value.  At the same time, people who have read my threads may find out. I have a lot of content on each thread, and the amount of text is also very large, and the amount of content far exceeds the threads of other people in the forum. I have tried my best to let a thread carry more of my thoughts;
4.My own time is also very precious, and I have many other important tasks to do. I now try my best to squeeze out time to create original content. I don't know how long I can hold on, but I hope I can hold on as much as possible. Because I think the content of my writing is valuable to everyone. All my thinking is based on the relationship between Bitcoin and the future human civilization. I hope that through my continuous writing, I will open up everyone's constraints on Bitcoin thinking. What Bitcoin brings us is the sea of ​​stars.
5.Thanks again for everyone's attention, I will do my best to continue to export my knowledge. I hope I will become a legend not only in our forum, but also in the whole blockchain world. I know that I have to pay more time, energy and price than ordinary people, but I have this confidence and will persevere.

If you believe a thread is unsubstantial you can report it, and see if a moderator agrees. Although, I haven't seen too many threads being created recently which would fit the above criteria, and is unsubstantial. You might not agree with the thread or you might think its a bit crazy, but that doesn't really warrant removal. Also, if a user is creating a lot of threads, as long as it doesn't get too annoying there shouldn't be too much of an issue. I mean, as long as its constructive.

I'm not sure to what techniques you are specifically alluding too, but simply creating threads wouldn't be one, unless they were opening threads which are already being discussed recently, and instead of replying on those threads, they open a new one. If a user is creating a lot of threads based on the fact that they are trying to get more merit, then that doesn't necessarily mean that's a bad thing. I mean, without any specific examples, a user could just be getting a little more creative, and thinking what would benefit the community. Opening new threads more than average doesn't necessarily make it spam, it depends on the context of the situation.

Sometimes, there doesn't need to be anything else added to the discussion. They might have had their points countered, but they might not have an answer for it. Although, it is true that some users do open new threads, never reply, and it probably is due to the fact that they were trying to earn merit or gain activity. Although, its hard to say since they sort of activity happened before merit was introduced, and before activity was introduced. Although, it was definitely much easier to rank up before both of these were introduced so the point would probably still be valid.

No, I have seen alot of good thread that didnt get a single merit but it depend on the quality some merit source look out for before giving merit.


You are right but this don't happen in every occasion and it think make some newbie not to say thank you is individual understanding or the excitement/comfort of finding solution to the problem which seem to be much of a burden.
I have seen a newbie that had issue with MetaMask sign message which I help out and she said thank you.

You're right. But the problem is, some very clever newbies use different techniques to earn merit. At some point they become successful and get merit. And as a result of these activities, those who are really original newbies they face problems. And those members who use this kind of strategy, those who were in this forum before, for some reason it is not possible to use their old account. Because if you look at their posting strategy, you can understand that they are old members.

Probably 1/100 will get merit or two by doing this and also only if they create a thread for the valid query which isn't too easy to search at bitcointalk or Google. But there are newbies who become most top merited members with their contribution and knowledge so as youtube says "Content is the King" which means when someone got the potential along with a bit of luck then they will get recognition.

I think its somewhat true, maybe less these days, but when merit was initially introduced, and we had less merit sources it was definitely the case. Although, I do think it still applies to an extent. In terms of exposure, users will usually read the first post, and maybe a few posts there on after, but when there's multiple pages the odds of users browsing all the replies diminishes somewhat. Of course, merit sources probably do read a lot more replies than the average user, but I think there's quite clearly an issue sometimes with users not reading the entire thread, and thus the probability of a post getting merit also diminishes with that.

A thread will likely always get more exposure than the replies, and therefore likely from a statistic point of view, will generally receive more merits. Not always the case of course, but in general I think that would likely be the case. Obviously, without any good statistics available its hard to prove.
 

Nothing up-to-date unfortunately. I scrape very little information regarding merited posts, basically because I never mastered properly the free limited scraper I use, and haven’t yet bothered to move the process over to Python (as I did for scraping user profiles). That means I do not currently have the information concerning post number within the thread.

I did do it once upon a time though a few months into the Merit System, suffering somewhat to obtain the data: Forum Merited Messages- Does size count?. Specifically, section four depicts what you are querying about, where the deeper breakdown would be necessary to explain the cases depicted on the right hand side of the chart (WO threads and such are the main accumulators in that zone). To really be meaningful, it should probably be broken-down by rank or such.

Posts or topics are means but they are not decisive factors to receive merit. Quality of your works in posts or topics is matter.

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Quality Topics ^{advice for newbies}

• Require significant time for preparation: research, read and compose the content
• Won't be covered by newer posts and more easily to find it when you need.
• Even it is your post, if you don't bookmark it, you will hardly to find it months or years later.
• With topics, you can find them very easily by either of the two methods ^{change 1292764 to your userid}
  
  • In profile page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=1292764;sa=showPosts
  • A hidden page: https://bitcointalk.org/gettopics.php?user=1292764

Explores the pros and cons of two methods.

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As above, quality topics have better chances to receive more merits than quality posts, generally. It's only applied for quality ones.

He is not completely wrong there, that your chances of getting merit increase if you make a thread. Of course, if thread is complete shit you probably won't get anything, but they do use that as a merit fishing tactic because sometimes it works.

My favorite merit fishing tactics are when a newbie account gives advices how to be a good forum member, or how to get merit

Being at the top of a thread gives more visibility than lower pages, but beyond that it does not increase merit chances, and just doing the barest minimum would not get you merits simply cause you're starting topics, rather, your account could begin to stand out for posting hackneyed topics and put you in some ignore lists.
Lots of too users like o_e_l_e_o rarely start threads, but still gets lots of merits for quality contributions.

While I agree we should be carful who we give that first merit as it could breed signature spam, we should also not be any more suspicious of newbie accounts than other ranks and they should not be generalized.
There are newbies who know the rules better than higher ranked members. And in the event we are wrong; worst case scenario, the user gets banned and the smerits decay, a far lesser consequence than making ranking up for newbies difficult, imo.

You are not mistaken. I meet this regularly.
There have already been several warnings that you should not trust the questions of newbies since they do not know that plagiarism is prohibited, and since they do not know anything, they copy information from somewhere (Reddit at the top)
and then they expect merits. The funny thing is that they get merit for their copied posts.

What topics do newbies discover and expect merit for them?

1. These are either vows about how they understood the rules and promises of good behavior on the forum. 2. Any piece of news fully copied and referenced is at best. 3. Well, and the third topic that has been deleted recently is the practice of questions and answers from Reddit or other forums. And most likely, beginners who believe in the magical properties of the topics being opened have the same roots, that is, this is a certain group of people who have succeeded in this practice.

Topics discovered by other participants, well-prepared, they will certainly receive their merits, since it can be seen that the person tried and prepared his post very conscientiously.

I don't think you noticed anything new, it's probably just that more individuals have appeared who are full of enthusiasm and give the appearance of what you noticed. If we look in the Bitcoin Discussion we can find a few examples.

• RainbowKun
• ZUES xxx

Only the two of them are responsible for about 15 threads in the last 7+ days. Someone does it for the sake of merit, someone to promote their service, but I believe there are those who are honest and eager for discussion. It is quite clear that every quality open thread brings merits, and that it cannot be compared to any quality post buried in a mega-thread - some of them know that for sure.

So far I've also noticed that there are a lot of newbie making thread on some of the board in this forum such as on the bitcoin discussion board and the beginners & help board. Like most newbies, creating new thread is their way of getting a lot of information about forum and bitcoin or anything else that confuses them. But yes, some of them are fake newbie or old member who hide behind newbie account for various purposes.

The price of bitcoin has influenced the high tide of newbie who come to the forum for various purposes. Another thing that made me think about them is that the information around bitcoin and its legality as a currency in several countries has increased the number of newbie finding this forum.

I think send merit to newbie who are able to make quality post or thread is the right thing because it will support them to achieve rank. But I really don't understand why most of them disappear after getting some post and merit. This is a strange thing in my opinion while newbie are always welcome in this forum.

Yeah, I had the same feeling, there are waves of users with nearly the same activity opening topics after topics in B&D, I looked a few times over it and it's pretty obvious there is a weird thing happening there, we have a few topics by old members and then a gap in the profile of members to newbie level.
One thing that got me curious about it was that their topics, apart from the really shitty two-line ones, are more like a statement, not an invitation to discussion, I haven't really found any traces of plagiarism but I would bet on some translated articles.


There are members who will reward a newbie just for trying to create a topic, not looking at the quality like in an essay, and it's normal if merit would be given only for a high-quality post there is no chance in hell a real newbie would get something.
Probably the only way of merit fishing they've managed to come up with. I miss the fake newbie drama...

They see merit sprees for new members and they think they can join the party. They ask simple questions that they already know and if they don't know, they can get answers from Newbies - Read before posting