I really don't think we need to claim that havelock is lying, I guess they could be, but it doesn't seem like the kind of thing they'd do. What is annoying is that the 5% voting right was never publicly stated, else I would have invested everything in Peta in a bid to get 5% instead of being more conservative. And secondly the prospectus was misleading. All that being said there isn't much we can do about it now so lets just celebrate the new hashrate and try and drum up support for the IPO.
IPO ends 31st May so open market trading should be soon after that, havelock is usually pretty quick.
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Assuming there was a vote, the largest players would of known that the IPO price was going to be considerably higher than the current share price and that the terms of the project were just about to get extremely sweetened in their minds that they voted unanimously for it.
Yet there was virtually no movement of the share price whatsoever after all of these big shareholders were informed before the announcement of the IPO. Not a single one of these big investors thought it a good idea to pick up a bunch of 'cheap' shares. None of those big investors increased their holdings at the outset of the IPO release either, as so few shares were sold during the first few days. Yet it took less than 30 minutes after the IPO announcement for the collective 40% of small time investors to run the share price up to the IPO price.
I am gonna cast a public vote that there was in all likelihood no private vote.
Your speculating that Havlock is lying?Yet there was virtually no movement of the share price whatsoever after all of these big shareholders were informed before the announcement of the IPO. Not a single one of these big investors thought it a good idea to pick up a bunch of 'cheap' shares. None of those big investors increased their holdings at the outset of the IPO release either, as so few shares were sold during the first few days. Yet it took less than 30 minutes after the IPO announcement for the collective 40% of small time investors to run the share price up to the IPO price.
I am gonna cast a public vote that there was in all likelihood no private vote.
Anyone know when open market trading recommences?
Assuming there was a vote, the largest players would of known that the IPO price was going to be considerably higher than the current share price and that the terms of the project were just about to get extremely sweetened in their minds that they voted unanimously for it.
Yet there was virtually no movement of the share price whatsoever after all of these big shareholders were informed before the announcement of the IPO. Not a single one of these big investors thought it a good idea to pick up a bunch of 'cheap' shares. None of those big investors increased their holdings at the outset of the IPO release either, as so few shares were sold during the first few days. Yet it took less than 30 minutes after the IPO announcement for the collective 40% of small time investors to run the share price up to the IPO price.
I am gonna cast a public vote that there was in all likelihood no private vote.
Yet there was virtually no movement of the share price whatsoever after all of these big shareholders were informed before the announcement of the IPO. Not a single one of these big investors thought it a good idea to pick up a bunch of 'cheap' shares. None of those big investors increased their holdings at the outset of the IPO release either, as so few shares were sold during the first few days. Yet it took less than 30 minutes after the IPO announcement for the collective 40% of small time investors to run the share price up to the IPO price.
I am gonna cast a public vote that there was in all likelihood no private vote.
Nah, I just see your sudden appearance in this thread as an unpleasant omen
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Scroll back. I've been here since the beginning at Havelock... My involvement in the Cog liquidation is purely that at the end someone was needed to prevent a lose-lose situation. I had had nothing to do with cog upto that point so was chose as an impartial outsider. In your lovely quote, hell doesn't follow me, I jump into hellish situations and try to bring the temperature down.
If you want to indulge in looking for bad omens and bible quotations though I suggest watching Supernatural. Quite a fun show really.
Shall we return back on topic?
We are on topic. You are no more guilty of the inevitable than the fourth rider--just someone who shows up when when the seal's already broken and bad shit's to be done. Or an executioner rigging the gallows. Simply not a happy occasion, nothing more.
*But great job of keeping the COG bagholders from going for their pitchforks, nicely done
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It is clear that PETA wont sell this IPO. Will CRYTPX buy shares as well? 
So when is the next divident?
So when is the next divident?
If anyone is interested, I'm selling shares in bulk below current IPO price. PM and we can work out a deal (100 shares min)
Nah, I just see your sudden appearance in this thread as an unpleasant omen
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Scroll back. I've been here since the beginning at Havelock... My involvement in the Cog liquidation is purely that at the end someone was needed to prevent a lose-lose situation. I had had nothing to do with cog upto that point so was chose as an impartial outsider. In your lovely quote, hell doesn't follow me, I jump into hellish situations and try to bring the temperature down.
If you want to indulge in looking for bad omens and bible quotations though I suggest watching Supernatural. Quite a fun show really.
Shall we return back on topic?
@MPalokaj: You're the guy who got on the scene and "liquidated" COG, amirite?
I'm the one who oversaw a controlled demolition. I didn't make the decision and simply tried to make the best of the situation. Naturally some individuals do their best to act out their frustrations on me, I understand that.
The simple fact is that if the project owner would have done communication it would have turned into a mess that would left everyone in a worse situation. There was no saving that project, only making the end as painless as possible.
If you want to discuss details I'm happy to answer any questions over PM. The Peta thread is not the right location to discuss other projects.
Nah, I just see your sudden appearance in this thread as an unpleasant omen
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
@MPalokaj: You're the guy who got on the scene and "liquidated" COG, amirite?
He's right, you have zero credibility.I do not expect you to make decisions based on my credibility. You are not a sheep, you have your own mind. I expect you to make your own decisions and can only offer my perspective.
Do you question that your shares become worth more if you spend energy on growing Peta? That is an argument I'd love to have. Shouting matches between credible people I have no interest in.
As for Cognitive, like I said:
@MPalokaj: You're the guy who got on the scene and "liquidated" COG, amirite?
I'm the one who oversaw a controlled demolition. I didn't make the decision and simply tried to make the best of the situation. Naturally some individuals do their best to act out their frustrations on me, I understand that.
The simple fact is that if the project owner would have done communication it would have turned into a mess that would left everyone in a worse situation. There was no saving that project, only making the end as painless as possible.
If you want to discuss details I'm happy to answer any questions over PM. The Peta thread is not the right location to discuss other projects.
@MPalokaj: You're the guy who got on the scene and "liquidated" COG, amirite?
He's right, you have zero credibility. @MPalokaj: You're the guy who got on the scene and "liquidated" COG, amirite?
I'm the one who oversaw a controlled demolition. I didn't make the decision and simply tried to make the best of the situation. Naturally some individuals do their best to act out their frustrations on me, I understand that.
The simple fact is that if the project owner would have done communication it would have turned into a mess that would left everyone in a worse situation. There was no saving that project, only making the end as painless as possible.
If you want to discuss details I'm happy to answer any questions over PM. The Peta thread is not the right location to discuss other projects.
Food for thought:
Sure it would have been nice to get a vote, but with a unanimous 60% vote, would it matter?
What does attacking havelock gain you?
What does attacking cryptx gain you?
How about these:
Has cryptx exceeded expectation time and time again?
Does cryptx keep pre-financing things from their own money?
Have you received dividends consistently?
How about some introspection:
What can you do to make Peta more awesome?
What would happen if you would divert your energy to promoting this IPO than that criticising it?
Would you as an entrepreneur like to give daily updates to a crowd of paranoid forum users?
TL;DR
It would be nice if shareholders would stop trying to bring down the company they invested in and try to help build it up.
People are pissed because an unspecified number of large shareholders got to consider and vote on something kept secret from the other shareholders (and trade shares based on the insider information provided to them). Sure it would have been nice to get a vote, but with a unanimous 60% vote, would it matter?
What does attacking havelock gain you?
What does attacking cryptx gain you?
How about these:
Has cryptx exceeded expectation time and time again?
Does cryptx keep pre-financing things from their own money?
Have you received dividends consistently?
How about some introspection:
What can you do to make Peta more awesome?
What would happen if you would divert your energy to promoting this IPO than that criticising it?
Would you as an entrepreneur like to give daily updates to a crowd of paranoid forum users?
TL;DR
It would be nice if shareholders would stop trying to bring down the company they invested in and try to help build it up.
@MPalokaj: You're the guy who got on the scene and "liquidated" COG, amirite?
Food for thought:
Sure it would have been nice to get a vote, but with a unanimous 60% vote, would it matter?
What does attacking havelock gain you?
What does attacking cryptx gain you?
How about these:
Has cryptx exceeded expectation time and time again?
Does cryptx keep pre-financing things from their own money?
Have you received dividends consistently?
How about some introspection:
What can you do to make Peta more awesome?
What would happen if you would divert your energy to promoting this IPO than that criticising it?
Would you as an entrepreneur like to give daily updates to a crowd of paranoid forum users?
TL;DR
It would be nice if shareholders would stop trying to bring down the company they invested in and try to help build it up.
Sure it would have been nice to get a vote, but with a unanimous 60% vote, would it matter?
What does attacking havelock gain you?
What does attacking cryptx gain you?
How about these:
Has cryptx exceeded expectation time and time again?
Does cryptx keep pre-financing things from their own money?
Have you received dividends consistently?
How about some introspection:
What can you do to make Peta more awesome?
What would happen if you would divert your energy to promoting this IPO than that criticising it?
Would you as an entrepreneur like to give daily updates to a crowd of paranoid forum users?
TL;DR
It would be nice if shareholders would stop trying to bring down the company they invested in and try to help build it up.
For anyone missing brain cells, which is apparently a large number of people on this thread:
-VIRTUAL SHARES ARE DEREGULATED, EXTRALEGAL SECURITIES, NOT SUBJECT TO RULES GOVERNING TRADITIONAL INVESTMENT.
...
-VIRTUAL SHARES ARE DEREGULATED, EXTRALEGAL SECURITIES, NOT SUBJECT TO RULES GOVERNING TRADITIONAL INVESTMENT.
...
Cap lock = TRUTH.
Virtual shares have little in common with IRL securities. But we are forever indebted to those fooled by these recreational simulacra--without believers, who'd buy our ersatz sharez?
Correct, however contracts are still legally binding and the prospectus we read when purchasing the shares was our contract with Cryptx. The prospectus did not say 'shareholders with 5% will get a vote' it said that shareholders would get a vote.
"Legally binding" is a meaningless phrase without a viable enforcement framework. [see: Regulation]
You're dealing with a BVBA (foregnese for LLC) selling unregistered securities to non-accredited investors through an unlicensed Panamanian exchange.
Which country's laws are we planning to invoke? Who'll foot the bill for teh multinational legal team?
Details like that make legal recourse impractical if not outright lulzy.
Inspired by having just finished a marathon session of Columbo - The Complete First Season
and few glasses of Stolichnaya I came up with a genius solution to benefit all shareholders
credit to a deflated member of frycats fan club for original idea.
We stick together in these tough times because it's what makes us strong
This is a great idea. Message sent.
So in short - I am starting a Pass-thru on havelock.
together we can own 5% and put and end to this womanly games
Of course we canot retroactively verify these dubious claims
but we can proof in future whether we do or do not receive voting rights which we the people entitle to
simply transfer shares to the following address in havelock system: [email protected]
the rest is handled automatically.
and few glasses of Stolichnaya I came up with a genius solution to benefit all shareholders
credit to a deflated member of frycats fan club for original idea.
We stick together in these tough times because it's what makes us strong
Since a boardmember requires 5000 shares and it is stated nowhere
that a boardmember is required to be a natural person I suggest
that minority shareholders with sufficient stake agree to pool
their shares into a groupentity.
There should be more then enough people that have 100 or more
direct shares to also get one seat together. I suggest that the
person to become boardmember shall be elected representitive
for this group by votes per direct shares per group member.
Your control of your shares shall not leave you, all that will be
required is a signed message to agree to form the group and
give boardmemberstatus to group by proxy.
Anyone interested can contact me.
Editing: Grammer and spelling
Second edit: Maybe 50 shares is fine, too?
Also 1/5th of required shares are allready interested
that a boardmember is required to be a natural person I suggest
that minority shareholders with sufficient stake agree to pool
their shares into a groupentity.
There should be more then enough people that have 100 or more
direct shares to also get one seat together. I suggest that the
person to become boardmember shall be elected representitive
for this group by votes per direct shares per group member.
Your control of your shares shall not leave you, all that will be
required is a signed message to agree to form the group and
give boardmemberstatus to group by proxy.
Anyone interested can contact me.
Editing: Grammer and spelling
Second edit: Maybe 50 shares is fine, too?
Also 1/5th of required shares are allready interested
This is a great idea. Message sent.
So in short - I am starting a Pass-thru on havelock.
together we can own 5% and put and end to this womanly games
Of course we canot retroactively verify these dubious claims
but we can proof in future whether we do or do not receive voting rights which we the people entitle to
simply transfer shares to the following address in havelock system: [email protected]
the rest is handled automatically.
Nobody has comed forward to claim they own higher than 5% of the shares
Perhaps there are no-one who owns higher than 5% so nobody can step forward!!!
Since this exchange is not open for audit who can prove otherwise. Too conveniente.
My wife is out of shower but there is still a very Fishy smell going here.
@Lamb shop We need the strong minds like you involved in independent inquiry into this matter
A hercule poirot of the Bitcoin securities industrie, if you will.
Who will take charge of this matters?.
Perhaps we can make a fundraiser for Roger Ver to make ahostage tape assurance of havelocks solvency from Panamamian base
I will pitch in 0,13 BTC for the trip. Confirmation from @aantonop would be the icing on the cake to let us investors sleep soundly at night.
new troll accounts being made I see Perhaps there are no-one who owns higher than 5% so nobody can step forward!!!
Since this exchange is not open for audit who can prove otherwise. Too conveniente.
My wife is out of shower but there is still a very Fishy smell going here.
Good news, everyone! I can justify you not being asked to vote with your voting shares thusly:
See? All shares have voting rights, but some have more voting rights than others.
Quote
Investopedia explains 'Class B Shares'
For example, one Class A share may be accompanied by five voting rights, while one Class B share may be accompanied by only one right to vote, or vice versa. A detailed description of a company's different classes of stock is [err... might be--ED] included in the company's bylaws and charter.
For example, one Class A share may be accompanied by five voting rights, while one Class B share may be accompanied by only one right to vote, or vice versa. A detailed description of a company's different classes of stock is [err... might be--ED] included in the company's bylaws and charter.
See? All shares have voting rights, but some have more voting rights than others.
@Lamb shop We need the strong minds like you involved in independent inquiry into this matter
A hercule poirot of the Bitcoin securities industrie, if you will.
Who will take charge of this matters?.
Perhaps we can make a fundraiser for Roger Ver to make a
I will pitch in 0,13 BTC for the trip. Confirmation from @aantonop would be the icing on the cake to let us investors sleep soundly at night.
For anyone missing brain cells, which is apparently a large number of people on this thread:
-VIRTUAL SHARES ARE DEREGULATED, EXTRALEGAL SECURITIES, NOT SUBJECT TO RULES GOVERNING TRADITIONAL INVESTMENT.
...
-VIRTUAL SHARES ARE DEREGULATED, EXTRALEGAL SECURITIES, NOT SUBJECT TO RULES GOVERNING TRADITIONAL INVESTMENT.
...
Cap lock = TRUTH.
Virtual shares have little in common with IRL securities. But we are forever indebted to those fooled by these recreational simulacra--without believers, who'd buy our ersatz sharez?
Correct, however contracts are still legally binding and the prospectus we read when purchasing the shares was our contract with Cryptx. The prospectus did not say 'shareholders with 5% will get a vote' it said that shareholders would get a vote.
True. So, to mitigate risk, pull your capital out and just leave your gains invested. That way if it all goes to zero, you will not have lost anything... Unless y'all want to take this to the next level... Good luck!
Nobody has comed forward to claim they own higher than 5% of the shares
Perhaps there are no-one who owns higher than 5% so nobody can step forward!!!
Since this exchange is not open for audit who can prove otherwise. Too conveniente.
My wife is out of shower but there is still a very Fishy smell going here.
@Lamb shop We need the strong minds like you involved in independent inquiry into this matter
A hercule poirot of the Bitcoin securities industrie, if you will.
Who will take charge of this matters?.
Perhaps we can make a fundraiser for Roger Ver to make ahostage tape assurance of havelocks solvency from Panamanian base
I will pitch in 0,13 BTC for the trip. Confirmation from @aantonop would be the icing on the cake to let us investors sleep soundly at night.
Perhaps there are no-one who owns higher than 5% so nobody can step forward!!!
Since this exchange is not open for audit who can prove otherwise. Too conveniente.
My wife is out of shower but there is still a very Fishy smell going here.
Good news, everyone! I can justify you not being asked to vote with your voting shares thusly:
See? All shares have voting rights, but some have more voting rights than others.
http://s18.postimg.org/urgq03661/Capture.jpg
Quote
Investopedia explains 'Class B Shares'
For example, one Class A share may be accompanied by five voting rights, while one Class B share may be accompanied by only one right to vote, or vice versa. A detailed description of a company's different classes of stock is [err... might be--ED] included in the company's bylaws and charter.
For example, one Class A share may be accompanied by five voting rights, while one Class B share may be accompanied by only one right to vote, or vice versa. A detailed description of a company's different classes of stock is [err... might be--ED] included in the company's bylaws and charter.
See? All shares have voting rights, but some have more voting rights than others.
http://s18.postimg.org/urgq03661/Capture.jpg
@Lamb shop We need the strong minds like you involved in independent inquiry into this matter
A hercule poirot of the Bitcoin securities industrie, if you will.
Who will take charge of this matters?.
Perhaps we can make a fundraiser for Roger Ver to make a
I will pitch in 0,13 BTC for the trip. Confirmation from @aantonop would be the icing on the cake to let us investors sleep soundly at night.
For anyone missing brain cells, which is apparently a large number of people on this thread:
-VIRTUAL SHARES ARE DEREGULATED, EXTRALEGAL SECURITIES, NOT SUBJECT TO RULES GOVERNING TRADITIONAL INVESTMENT.
...
-VIRTUAL SHARES ARE DEREGULATED, EXTRALEGAL SECURITIES, NOT SUBJECT TO RULES GOVERNING TRADITIONAL INVESTMENT.
...
Cap lock = TRUTH.
Virtual shares have little in common with IRL securities. But we are forever indebted to those fooled by these recreational simulacra--without believers, who'd buy our ersatz sharez?
Correct, however contracts are still legally binding and the prospectus we read when purchasing the shares was our contract with Cryptx. The prospectus did not say 'shareholders with 5% will get a vote' it said that shareholders would get a vote.
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