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Topic: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) - page 191. (Read 565837 times)

hero member
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I disagree, stick to eligius and not go solo. Eligius has been around for ages and has shown them selves to be trustworthy.

Why add variance into the mix when we can avoid it?

Gox was around for ages, till they lost everyones money! Why keep a trust dependency we don't have to?
legendary
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Since we are behind schedule... why not use some of those reinvestment bitcoins and buy some more hash from a supplier going bankrupt? not sure if the contract rate for the mining equipment is lower (most likely is) but more hash now would help reach ROI. Just throwing it out there.
http://www.coindesk.com/bankrupt-bitcoin-mining-company-alydian-sell-218ths-mining-power/

5000$/TH ? Seems overpriced to me. Plus they're not new models, meaning that the power consumption is probably high.

With the current reinvestment fund you'll buy 5TH at most... not sure if it's a good idea.

Definitely overpriced. Ironically the current cost of buying 1TH by simply purchasing PETA shares is around $5000.

1000GH / 8.68 = 115.2 shares of PETA required to equal 1TH.
115.2 * 0.073 (Current price on Havelock per share) = 8.4 BTC to purchase 1TH of PETA.
8.4 * $610 (rate per BTC on Bitstamp) = $5124.00

Keep in mind that the PETA share price is already up 46% from the initial price that CryptX sold them for. If we base it on the IPO price per share of 0.05 then the cost per TH for PETA is only around $3500.00.

Any reinvestment in PETA needs to be for faster/better equipment. It seems that most trying to sell (old) mining equipment are greedily trying to get all the profit that such equipment would have generated until it had become obsolete. The party purchasing this equipment would get little more than their initial investment back.

How is this overpriced?
The spreadsheet cryptx released prices their cost per TH @ 4500. Yes, we aren't at the 700th starting line yet, but we will get there.
I am not sure you are up to speed on what/how cryptx/petamine is designed to operate.
At the moment there is no "better/faster" equipment than the 28nm chips they are buying from bitmine.
There is no reason to believe that bitmine is mining with equipment before selling it.
After the hardware that was ordered from bitmine/cointerra is deployed, going forward it will be custom equipment with the A1 chips from bitmine.
AFAIK KnC is the only one working on 20nm and they wont be ready for months. So we are "stuck" with 28 for the time being, it will be profitable for quite sometime. Looking further down the road, hopefully cryptx has or will reach out and align themselves with someone working on the next gens of chip design so that when that tech is ready it can be deployed as soon as chips are available.

I am up to date, what we need is an actual update about the bitmine fiasco, are they or not delivering PETA's hardware on time? as someone mentioned earlier, this is all time sensitive if we can't get hashing now while the difficulty is relatively lower than it will be in say 3 months when we get the 700 TH deployed that hashing power will never make ROI. So what needs to be done is to calculate, if the price difference between the "true" contract rate of mining hardware from Bitmine and other hardware available is close enough to make a profit now while we wait for them to deliver then why not do so?

IE ( price of available hardware at a good hash rate - price of contracted rate from bitmine) = small amount of money ($500?)
Can that hardware boost increase our hash to a level that will ROI on that hardware before the difficulty increases to such a level that all the hardware becomes obsolete?


based on the other contributors on Eligius pool, if we look at 1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78 take the difference between their daily BTC earning and hashing power difference which at this time is about 6 TH. if we bought 6 TH and could start hashing immediately (this is theoretical but i hope you get the point) we could be making about 0.72666091 more BTC per day. IF the difficulty had just changed, and we hashed at this rate for one difficulty change (12 days) we could make an extra 8.71993092 BTC which is the cost of about 1/6 of those miners. Its an arms race to squeeze the most BTC out of current difficulty period.  Smiley
A couple of things.

First off you can't focus on ROI as you would if you purchased your own hardware. There is reinvestment to keep up and possibly get ahead of difficulty. We also have to account for reduction in $/GHs over time, not only does tech get less expensive to produce thanks to economies of scale, the ASIC producers have also been cutting prices with each difficulty increase.

Second, Why are you still assuming that the difficulty will keep rising at the current rate forever?
Even at 15% every 13 days or so, after a few years you would need a small star to power the hardware. Not to mention the logistics of producing and deploying that much hardware. Lets say when the network hits 100PHs it still is growing at 15%, That is 15PHs that has to be brought online, now we have 115PHs, now we need 17.25PHs to be brought online, and so on and so forth. Does this seem plausible?

Finally, because cryptx hasn't said anything about a delay in their custom hardware we have to assume its still on schedule, according to their timetable they posted we are about 2 weeks out from the first 250THs of custom hardware, Plus the first reinvestment hardware.

Week 13-15: 250 TH/s of custom hardware together with the first reinvestment units

And this from that same update.
We have engineered a standard unit with a hosting capacity of 500 TH/s, which can be installed fully operational in a matter of weeks. This enables us to expand at a very fast pace.


As for the bitmine hardware, all of their customers were affected, but according their news posts its now under control and they are working through the backlog, another couple of weeks and they expect to be back to par.
Petamine brought on 20 or so THs yesterday I believe, so YES, they are getting hardware from bitmine just not as fast as they expected.

newbie
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Since we are behind schedule... why not use some of those reinvestment bitcoins and buy some more hash from a supplier going bankrupt? not sure if the contract rate for the mining equipment is lower (most likely is) but more hash now would help reach ROI. Just throwing it out there.
http://www.coindesk.com/bankrupt-bitcoin-mining-company-alydian-sell-218ths-mining-power/

5000$/TH ? Seems overpriced to me. Plus they're not new models, meaning that the power consumption is probably high.

With the current reinvestment fund you'll buy 5TH at most... not sure if it's a good idea.

Definitely overpriced. Ironically the current cost of buying 1TH by simply purchasing PETA shares is around $5000.

1000GH / 8.68 = 115.2 shares of PETA required to equal 1TH.
115.2 * 0.073 (Current price on Havelock per share) = 8.4 BTC to purchase 1TH of PETA.
8.4 * $610 (rate per BTC on Bitstamp) = $5124.00

Keep in mind that the PETA share price is already up 46% from the initial price that CryptX sold them for. If we base it on the IPO price per share of 0.05 then the cost per TH for PETA is only around $3500.00.

Any reinvestment in PETA needs to be for faster/better equipment. It seems that most trying to sell (old) mining equipment are greedily trying to get all the profit that such equipment would have generated until it had become obsolete. The party purchasing this equipment would get little more than their initial investment back.

How is this overpriced?
The spreadsheet cryptx released prices their cost per TH @ 4500. Yes, we aren't at the 700th starting line yet, but we will get there.
I am not sure you are up to speed on what/how cryptx/petamine is designed to operate.
At the moment there is no "better/faster" equipment than the 28nm chips they are buying from bitmine.
There is no reason to believe that bitmine is mining with equipment before selling it.
After the hardware that was ordered from bitmine/cointerra is deployed, going forward it will be custom equipment with the A1 chips from bitmine.
AFAIK KnC is the only one working on 20nm and they wont be ready for months. So we are "stuck" with 28 for the time being, it will be profitable for quite sometime. Looking further down the road, hopefully cryptx has or will reach out and align themselves with someone working on the next gens of chip design so that when that tech is ready it can be deployed as soon as chips are available.

I am up to date, what we need is an actual update about the bitmine fiasco, are they or not delivering PETA's hardware on time? as someone mentioned earlier, this is all time sensitive if we can't get hashing now while the difficulty is relatively lower than it will be in say 3 months when we get the 700 TH deployed that hashing power will never make ROI. So what needs to be done is to calculate, if the price difference between the "true" contract rate of mining hardware from Bitmine and other hardware available is close enough to make a profit now while we wait for them to deliver then why not do so?

IE ( price of available hardware at a good hash rate - price of contracted rate from bitmine) = small amount of money ($500?)
Can that hardware boost increase our hash to a level that will ROI on that hardware before the difficulty increases to such a level that all the hardware becomes obsolete?


based on the other contributors on Eligius pool, if we look at 1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78 take the difference between their daily BTC earning and hashing power difference which at this time is about 6 TH. if we bought 6 TH and could start hashing immediately (this is theoretical but i hope you get the point) we could be making about 0.72666091 more BTC per day. IF the difficulty had just changed, and we hashed at this rate for one difficulty change (12 days) we could make an extra 8.71993092 BTC which is the cost of about 1/6 of those miners. Its an arms race to squeeze the most BTC out of current difficulty period.  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 994
Merit: 1000
Since we are behind schedule... why not use some of those reinvestment bitcoins and buy some more hash from a supplier going bankrupt? not sure if the contract rate for the mining equipment is lower (most likely is) but more hash now would help reach ROI. Just throwing it out there.
http://www.coindesk.com/bankrupt-bitcoin-mining-company-alydian-sell-218ths-mining-power/

5000$/TH ? Seems overpriced to me. Plus they're not new models, meaning that the power consumption is probably high.

With the current reinvestment fund you'll buy 5TH at most... not sure if it's a good idea.

Definitely overpriced. Ironically the current cost of buying 1TH by simply purchasing PETA shares is around $5000.

1000GH / 8.68 = 115.2 shares of PETA required to equal 1TH.
115.2 * 0.073 (Current price on Havelock per share) = 8.4 BTC to purchase 1TH of PETA.
8.4 * $610 (rate per BTC on Bitstamp) = $5124.00

Keep in mind that the PETA share price is already up 46% from the initial price that CryptX sold them for. If we base it on the IPO price per share of 0.05 then the cost per TH for PETA is only around $3500.00.

Any reinvestment in PETA needs to be for faster/better equipment. It seems that most trying to sell (old) mining equipment are greedily trying to get all the profit that such equipment would have generated until it had become obsolete. The party purchasing this equipment would get little more than their initial investment back.

How is this overpriced?
The spreadsheet cryptx released prices their cost per TH @ 4500. Yes, we aren't at the 700th starting line yet, but we will get there.
I am not sure you are up to speed on what/how cryptx/petamine is designed to operate.
At the moment there is no "better/faster" equipment than the 28nm chips they are buying from bitmine.
There is no reason to believe that bitmine is mining with equipment before selling it.
After the hardware that was ordered from bitmine/cointerra is deployed, going forward it will be custom equipment with the A1 chips from bitmine.
AFAIK KnC is the only one working on 20nm and they wont be ready for months. So we are "stuck" with 28 for the time being, it will be profitable for quite sometime. Looking further down the road, hopefully cryptx has or will reach out and align themselves with someone working on the next gens of chip design so that when that tech is ready it can be deployed as soon as chips are available.
full member
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Since we are behind schedule... why not use some of those reinvestment bitcoins and buy some more hash from a supplier going bankrupt? not sure if the contract rate for the mining equipment is lower (most likely is) but more hash now would help reach ROI. Just throwing it out there.
http://www.coindesk.com/bankrupt-bitcoin-mining-company-alydian-sell-218ths-mining-power/

5000$/TH ? Seems overpriced to me. Plus they're not new models, meaning that the power consumption is probably high.

With the current reinvestment fund you'll buy 5TH at most... not sure if it's a good idea.

Definitely overpriced. Ironically the current cost of buying 1TH by simply purchasing PETA shares is around $5000.

1000GH / 8.68 = 115.2 shares of PETA required to equal 1TH.
115.2 * 0.073 (Current price on Havelock per share) = 8.4 BTC to purchase 1TH of PETA.
8.4 * $610 (rate per BTC on Bitstamp) = $5124.00

Keep in mind that the PETA share price is already up 46% from the initial price that CryptX sold them for. If we base it on the IPO price per share of 0.05 then the cost per TH for PETA is only around $3500.00.

Any reinvestment in PETA needs to be for faster/better equipment. It seems that most trying to sell (old) mining equipment are greedily trying to get all the profit that such equipment would have generated until it had become obsolete. The party purchasing this equipment would get little more than their initial investment back.
hero member
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Since we are behind schedule... why not use some of those reinvestment bitcoins and buy some more hash from a supplier going bankrupt? not sure if the contract rate for the mining equipment is lower (most likely is) but more hash now would help reach ROI. Just throwing it out there.
http://www.coindesk.com/bankrupt-bitcoin-mining-company-alydian-sell-218ths-mining-power/

5000$/TH ? Seems overpriced to me. Plus they're not new models, meaning that the power consumption is probably high.

With the current reinvestment fund you'll buy 5TH at most... not sure if it's a good idea.
newbie
Activity: 49
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Since we are behind schedule... why not use some of those reinvestment bitcoins and buy some more hash from a supplier going bankrupt? not sure if the contract rate for the mining equipment is lower (most likely is) but more hash now would help reach ROI. Just throwing it out there.
http://www.coindesk.com/bankrupt-bitcoin-mining-company-alydian-sell-218ths-mining-power/
legendary
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Well hello there!
Hello Cryptx, any news about the deployment schedule ?

+1

getting to that time where i start getting update cranky again
CryptX best be showin up soon boys!  I've already grabbed the rope and several horses in case we need to get a posse together and finagle some sorta update outta him.  :p
copper member
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Hello Cryptx, any news about the deployment schedule ?

+1

getting to that time where i start getting update cranky again
newbie
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Hello Cryptx, any news about the deployment schedule ?
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I disagree, stick to eligius and not go solo. Eligius has been around for ages and has shown them selves to be trustworthy.

Why add variance into the mix when we can avoid it?
hero member
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Regarding tomorrow’s dividend, we will also convert currently mined NMC’s to BTC and include them in the payout (currently about 324 NMC which equates to about 1.8 BTC at current market rate).

Meanwhile we thank everyone for their patience and trust as we continue to work hard for the success of this project.

At the NMC address configured in Eligius (NCnxjbJedracS6uW57wnQ9w4cN6ireRNP7) I find a balance of 456 NMC http://bitinfocharts.com/namecoin/address/NCnxjbJedracS6uW57wnQ9w4cN6ireRNP7

Could you verify that this is indeed the main Cryptx Mining NMC address?


I dont see this questions was answered either?
full member
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@Cryptx

Why change the nmc address in Eligius from NCnxjbJedracS6uW57wnQ9w4cN6ireRNP7  to  N6a18WfxGRmyzLhAMmzXGokAXt5PizB28B

What about mining income generated before the change?

Please clarify

Didnt eligius get hacked and everyone's NMC address changed, maybe they just used a new one after?


Both addresses don't show up in the list of addressess used by the hack, the first one has also been active for a while.

I'd really like cryptx to clarify because 500 NMC could be nicely converted into divs
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500TH (aka 100TH) mine listed on Picostocks.com mined solo for a few months. We could argue what caused their under-performance. Finally they moved to BTC Guild:

https://picostocks.com/docs/view/97
sr. member
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
All that said - if PETA goes solo having similar charts & graphs to eligius is pretty important for all us feverish shareholders and potential sharebuyers.  So unless there is a good replacement for those somehow maybe we should stay.

I agree, having a dashboard display of hashrate and BTC mined is important for shareholder trust. We need to see what is happening. If this is feasible while solo mining, I say let's go for it.
Asicminer did it when they were mining solo, I think the hashrate stats were based off blocks found though so being more lucky bumps the hashrate up. Anyone know if this is how it worked?

yes, the stats are run by a shareholder not directly affiliated with asicminer:

http://asicminercharts.com/live/
hero member
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All that said - if PETA goes solo having similar charts & graphs to eligius is pretty important for all us feverish shareholders and potential sharebuyers.  So unless there is a good replacement for those somehow maybe we should stay.

I agree, having a dashboard display of hashrate and BTC mined is important for shareholder trust. We need to see what is happening. If this is feasible while solo mining, I say let's go for it.
Asicminer did it when they were mining solo, I think the hashrate stats were based off blocks found though so being more lucky bumps the hashrate up. Anyone know if this is how it worked?
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All that said - if PETA goes solo having similar charts & graphs to eligius is pretty important for all us feverish shareholders and potential sharebuyers.  So unless there is a good replacement for those somehow maybe we should stay.

I agree, having a dashboard display of hashrate and BTC mined is important for shareholder trust. We need to see what is happening. If this is feasible while solo mining, I say let's go for it.
newbie
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I'll ask the question again (did not see any responses last time). Surely at these hash rates we should be considering coming out of the eligius pool and going solo?
Previously I would have said why bother if eligius' fee is 0% (which I'm unclear as to how they fund their operation - all donations?) but given the ~4.5 days of non-payout last week I'd vote go solo as soon as it makes sense.  I like the charts and graphs but several days of payout delay is disappointing and mildly worrisome.

I don't understand the details of how eligius prioritizes payouts so it could be that last week's 50 btc (!) accumulated payout delay is 'normal' but clearly it affects PETAs weekly distributions.  I'd rather have payouts be affected by blockfinding luck than eligius internal operations.  Not sure we are at the point where the luck factor is small enough spread over a week to go solo but as long as PETA hashrate grows faster than difficulty it will steadily improve.

All that said - if PETA goes solo having similar charts & graphs to eligius is pretty important for all us feverish shareholders and potential sharebuyers.  So unless there is a good replacement for those somehow maybe we should stay.

Just my 2c
J
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We now are at #6 on the list of Top Contributors at Eligius:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/topcontributors.php

Last week we were at #7, so CryptX has improved our relative position to others. Our percentage of the Eligius pool is 2.6117%. Eligius currently provides 13% of the total BTC Hash power as shown by:

http://blockchain.info/pools

This means PETA provides 13% * 0.026117 = 0.339521% of the total BTC Hash power. We are 1/6 the way to the stated goal of providing 2% of the World Hash power.
hero member
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Here we go, new hardware today ! 120+ Th/s

Enjoy 2 or 3 troll-free days  Grin

IMO, the turning point for solo mining would be 25 BTC/day and hope for a regular block a day.

Until now, CryptX has delivered. Not always in time but it seems that's mission impossible with all the manufacturer delays.

An update about the delivered hardware and the upcomming hardware could be nice from them but we're not in a hurry (or I should say, in mining, we are always in a hurry...)
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