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Topic: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) - page 196. (Read 565837 times)

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It is clear who here knows how businesses work and who has no clue.


Wow, all hale you. Personally I place as much emphasis on the soft factors in business as the spread sheetable snippets you seem to basing your 'intelligence' on. Things like trust, communication, integrity, ability, track record. But hey I guess that makes me a Troll in your eyes!!
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ALL HAIL CRYPTX AND OUR 100TH/s MINE.

nowww. any chance of an update on the next deliveries CryptX? im starting to think we should see regular deliveries now, can you confirm?

*boner*
legendary
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Those that are trolling against peta, do they not know that it appears that everyone is having issues deploying 28nm tech.
Can someone name 1 chip/hardware manufacturer that has never had any setbacks or delays when producing hardware?

I can recall only 1 delay in the history of intel chips, where a critical bug was detected in the Sandy bridge chipset 2 of 3 days after shipping.

I know what you're thinking. Intel had plenty of delays. That is probably true, but there is 1 critical difference: intel doesn't announce a launch date until they are sure they can meet it. In contrast to, for example, BFL. I think that the word 'setback' is too kind because they are just lying against customers, promising ship dates that are unrealistic.


Also, cut the constant name calling.

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1 last thing that speaks to the professionalism NOT amateur nature of cryptx/petamine. Found this on their website.

To ensure a fast deployment at a low cost, we decided to produce our own mining hardware based on the A1 chips. To accomplish this, we have currently 3 teams working on 3 different designs. We will choose the most optimal design in terms of costs and convenience for our production.

They are working on 3 different pcb designs at once. That to me screams professionalism and that they know the issues that can arise and are attempting to avoid them.

Designing a PCB is not the hard thing. Designing a chip is. Also they are designing a PCB.. with whose money exactly? The IPO doesn't mention cost for designing PCB's.

your comparing intel with bitcoin ASIC manufacturers? you know exactly what he meant.

nice try douchebag.

This is why I refer to them as trolls.
We are discussing asics and btc mining and they bring up intel, same as if we were discussing issues with the supply chain in the coffee sector and they bring up bananas.
I would bet my all of my btc that when working on shrinking die sizes intel/amd/samsung, etc have had and will have many delays in chip design/production.
Now with bitmine and 28nm they have the chips ready to go, they have had to redesign the pcb same as cointerra, i think they are on redesign #3 if I am not mistaken. So PCB design isn't all that easy it turns out. From what I can gather this is what slowed down their production lines. And going by the drop off in difficulty increase, looks like there are plenty of bad pcbs to go around.


As for the IPO, this is where people are confused.
Crypt/Petamine came out of their own pocket to broker the deals with cointerra and bitmine as well as purchase the datacenter.
The IPO was in essence a way for them to repay the loan to themselves and give us a piece of the action.
They did NOT have to do this, they could have just kept the mine to themselves.
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looks like they added some new machines while eligius was down.

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1PETAmNrgdzx3FwzJPNuhx18JVKdGtwWt6

12 hours   101.57 Th/s   1021627152
3 hours   103.81 Th/s   261027696
22.5 minutes   102.62 Th/s   32255616
256 seconds   103.08 Th/s   6143939
128 seconds   101.98 Th/s   3039156
copper member
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Difficulty increase

Code:
Mar 13 2014	4,250,217,920	11.39%	30,424,245 GH/s

The growth seems to be slowing, but it's too soon to tell

This is the smallest growth percentage-wise since June. I'm sure we'll see some more periods of high growth, but it is nice to see that it's not constant.
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Those that are trolling against peta, do they not know that it appears that everyone is having issues deploying 28nm tech.
Can someone name 1 chip/hardware manufacturer that has never had any setbacks or delays when producing hardware?

I can recall only 1 delay in the history of intel chips, where a critical bug was detected in the Sandy bridge chipset 2 of 3 days after shipping.

I know what you're thinking. Intel had plenty of delays. That is probably true, but there is 1 critical difference: intel doesn't announce a launch date until they are sure they can meet it. In contrast to, for example, BFL. I think that the word 'setback' is too kind because they are just lying against customers, promising ship dates that are unrealistic.


Also, cut the constant name calling.

Quote
1 last thing that speaks to the professionalism NOT amateur nature of cryptx/petamine. Found this on their website.

To ensure a fast deployment at a low cost, we decided to produce our own mining hardware based on the A1 chips. To accomplish this, we have currently 3 teams working on 3 different designs. We will choose the most optimal design in terms of costs and convenience for our production.

They are working on 3 different pcb designs at once. That to me screams professionalism and that they know the issues that can arise and are attempting to avoid them.

Designing a PCB is not the hard thing. Designing a chip is. Also they are designing a PCB.. with whose money exactly? The IPO doesn't mention cost for designing PCB's.
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Challenging the logic of why it is or is not a good investment is healthy, screaming every nay sayer is a troll is a classic sign of cognitive bias, where you seek out only answers which re-enforce the view you want to be true.

This is true; however, the important factor has been known for a long time (that is, the specified cost of electricity and hosting). Regardless of the real or imagined motives involved in this cost, the number is still the same. Hypothesizing over whether CryptX makes profit from this figure does not affect anyone's calculations.
It affects my calculations. Putting it simply, the total profit in an enterprise like this will be the same regardless of whether it's funded by the company or by an IPO (thats a misnomer in this context) for the project. If I believe there is a conflict of interest in how those profits will be allocated between the company and the public project (via charges) then i'm far less likely to trust to the company or the project.

I fail to understand how you don't get that?

I get that you are less likely to trust the project because you deem those costs unfair, which means you think they might slight you in the future. Whether or not you trust them is your prerogative, but my point is that you haven't brought anything new to the table. We've seen the numbers. I personally don't care whether CryptX profits from the project, in fact I hope they do; otherwise why would they put forth all this effort? My own calculations were based on numbers, and what I can expect to make in returns based on those numbers. I wasn't comparing that to what I fear others might be making.

It is clear who here knows how businesses work and who has no clue.
The .45/kwh is a well known part of the equation, it would be a red flag for me if they were attempting do this without taking any kind of management fees.
They are paying 100% of mined btc to the shareholders minus of course the 35% reinvestment, so where else are they going to get the money to operate the mine?

Those that are trolling against peta, do they not know that it appears that everyone is having issues deploying 28nm tech.
Can someone name 1 chip/hardware manufacturer that has never had any setbacks or delays when producing hardware?

1 last thing that speaks to the professionalism NOT amateur nature of cryptx/petamine. Found this on their website.

To ensure a fast deployment at a low cost, we decided to produce our own mining hardware based on the A1 chips. To accomplish this, we have currently 3 teams working on 3 different designs. We will choose the most optimal design in terms of costs and convenience for our production.

They are working on 3 different pcb designs at once. That to me screams professionalism and that they know the issues that can arise and are attempting to avoid them.




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hero member
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Difficulty increase

Code:
Mar 13 2014	4,250,217,920	11.39%	30,424,245 GH/s

The growth seems to be slowing, but it's too soon to tell
legendary
Activity: 994
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Challenging the logic of why it is or is not a good investment is healthy, screaming every nay sayer is a troll is a classic sign of cognitive bias, where you seek out only answers which re-enforce the view you want to be true.

This is true; however, the important factor has been known for a long time (that is, the specified cost of electricity and hosting). Regardless of the real or imagined motives involved in this cost, the number is still the same. Hypothesizing over whether CryptX makes profit from this figure does not affect anyone's calculations.
It affects my calculations. Putting it simply, the total profit in an enterprise like this will be the same regardless of whether it's funded by the company or by an IPO (thats a misnomer in this context) for the project. If I believe there is a conflict of interest in how those profits will be allocated between the company and the public project (via charges) then i'm far less likely to trust to the company or the project.

I fail to understand how you don't get that?

I get that you are less likely to trust the project because you deem those costs unfair, which means you think they might slight you in the future. Whether or not you trust them is your prerogative, but my point is that you haven't brought anything new to the table. We've seen the numbers. I personally don't care whether CryptX profits from the project, in fact I hope they do; otherwise why would they put forth all this effort? My own calculations were based on numbers, and what I can expect to make in returns based on those numbers. I wasn't comparing that to what I fear others might be making.

It is clear who here knows how businesses work and who has no clue.
The .45/kwh is a well known part of the equation, it would be a red flag for me if they were attempting do this without taking any kind of management fees.
They are paying 100% of mined btc to the shareholders minus of course the 35% reinvestment, so where else are they going to get the money to operate the mine?

Those that are trolling against peta, do they not know that it appears that everyone is having issues deploying 28nm tech.
Can someone name 1 chip/hardware manufacturer that has never had any setbacks or delays when producing hardware?

1 last thing that speaks to the professionalism NOT amateur nature of cryptx/petamine. Found this on their website.

To ensure a fast deployment at a low cost, we decided to produce our own mining hardware based on the A1 chips. To accomplish this, we have currently 3 teams working on 3 different designs. We will choose the most optimal design in terms of costs and convenience for our production.

They are working on 3 different pcb designs at once. That to me screams professionalism and that they know the issues that can arise and are attempting to avoid them.


legendary
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Well hello there!
So not digging this not being able to view elgius hashrate stats situation.  :/
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Challenging the logic of why it is or is not a good investment is healthy, screaming every nay sayer is a troll is a classic sign of cognitive bias, where you seek out only answers which re-enforce the view you want to be true.

This is true; however, the important factor has been known for a long time (that is, the specified cost of electricity and hosting). Regardless of the real or imagined motives involved in this cost, the number is still the same. Hypothesizing over whether CryptX makes profit from this figure does not affect anyone's calculations.
It affects my calculations. Putting it simply, the total profit in an enterprise like this will be the same regardless of whether it's funded by the company or by an IPO (thats a misnomer in this context) for the project. If I believe there is a conflict of interest in how those profits will be allocated between the company and the public project (via charges) then i'm far less likely to trust to the company or the project.

I fail to understand how you don't get that?

I get that you are less likely to trust the project because you deem those costs unfair, which means you think they might slight you in the future. Whether or not you trust them is your prerogative, but my point is that you haven't brought anything new to the table. We've seen the numbers. I personally don't care whether CryptX profits from the project, in fact I hope they do; otherwise why would they put forth all this effort? My own calculations were based on numbers, and what I can expect to make in returns based on those numbers. I wasn't comparing that to what I fear others might be making.
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Challenging the logic of why it is or is not a good investment is healthy, screaming every nay sayer is a troll is a classic sign of cognitive bias, where you seek out only answers which re-enforce the view you want to be true.

This is true; however, the important factor has been known for a long time (that is, the specified cost of electricity and hosting). Regardless of the real or imagined motives involved in this cost, the number is still the same. Hypothesizing over whether CryptX makes profit from this figure does not affect anyone's calculations.
It affects my calculations. Putting it simply, the total profit in an enterprise like this will be the same regardless of whether it's funded by the company or by an IPO (thats a misnomer in this context) for the project. If I believe there is a conflict of interest in how those profits will be allocated between the company and the public project (via charges) then i'm far less likely to trust to the company or the project.

I fail to understand how you don't get that?
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Challenging the logic of why it is or is not a good investment is healthy, screaming every nay sayer is a troll is a classic sign of cognitive bias, where you seek out only answers which re-enforce the view you want to be true.

This is true; however, the important factor has been known for a long time (that is, the specified cost of electricity and hosting). Regardless of the real or imagined motives involved in this cost, the number is still the same. Hypothesizing over whether CryptX makes profit from this figure does not affect anyone's calculations.
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Serious trolling today.

Always funny to see people screaming how bad a deal is, when they're not invested (anymore). Usually, when I sell a stock, I stfu and gtfo, and I really don't care about the bagholders.

Shareholders are not stupid, they can do simple math calculations, and know the risks involved about the uncertainty of this stock.

Challenging the logic of why it is or is not a good investment is healthy, screaming every nay sayer is a troll is a classic sign of cognitive bias, where you seek out only answers which re-enforce the view you want to be true.
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I would like to address just that c) point:

c) Selling electric to the project at $0.45/Kwh at huge profit (No genuinely run bitcoin mine would invest in an area charging 0.45/kwh!)


$0.45/kwh is for hosting, not only electricity:

All the more suspicous, not being transparent with costs. Absolutely no justification for hiding hosting fees in electricity costs, they are just trying to make it difficult to compare.


How much did KnC charge for 6 months of hosting for their Jupiter miners? $2100? (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2707082)

Jupiter, is that 0.6 kW/H ?
  
0.6 * 24 * 30 * 6 = 2592 kW
$2100 / 2592 kW = 0.81 $/kW

Isn't that overkill ?
Yes thats my point exactly, a lot of these so called zero profit cooperatives really just do it so the organiser can actually make profit out of hosting/electric etc, you MUST examine profit motivations
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Serious trolling today.

Always funny to see people screaming how bad a deal is, when they're not invested (anymore). Usually, when I sell a stock, I stfu and gtfo, and I really don't care about the bagholders.

Shareholders are not stupid, they can do simple math calculations, and know the risks involved about the uncertainty of this stock.
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I would like to address just that c) point:

c) Selling electric to the project at $0.45/Kwh at huge profit (No genuinely run bitcoin mine would invest in an area charging 0.45/kwh!)


$0.45/kwh is for hosting, not only electricity:


How much did KnC charge for 6 months of hosting for their Jupiter miners? $2100? (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2707082)

Jupiter, is that 0.6 kW/H ?
  
0.6 * 24 * 30 * 6 = 2592 kW
$2100 / 2592 kW = 0.81 $/kW

Isn't that overkill ?
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To be honest, the overall situation of Bitmine doesn't seems very bright at the moment and they haven't too many chances to give false promises anymore... Unfortunately, also the success of PETAMINE seems to be quite strongly tied with Bitmine. So it would be nice the hear from Cryptx, do they have some kind of "PLAN-B", if Bitmine really fails?

Even they are closely connected with Bitmine, I think that they must have also some backdoor plans for the situation, where Bitmine ultimately fails... Of course they have a contract and maybe even better "customer protection" terms on it than other customers have, but let's say that the worst-case scenario happens and Bitmine goes to bankruptcy, then it does not really matter what kind of contract they have, because it would take too much of time in anyway to get moneys from bankrupt's estate and to re-invest them for additional hardware...

I don't know, maybe they have already some concrete plans, for example using some OEM PCB manufacturer to assembling large amounts of custom made boards, an additional big order for Cointerra or some other company??  
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A lot of Petamine does not make sense to me as an investment. First of all people seem to be frequently confusing Cryptx the company with Petamine the project, the shares you buy are in the project not the company, and there in lies the danger.

The profit motive is with Cryptx who are getting Jo public to finance THEIR petamine project. So before you invest in this, you have to seriously ask where Cryptx is making it's money!

a) Building and selling custom mining kit to sell to 'the project' at profit

b) Building and leasing to 'the project' hosting space at profit

c) Selling electric to the project at $0.45/Kwh at huge profit (No genuinely run bitcoin mine would invest in an area charging 0.45/kwh!)

d) Keeping 35% of Jo Publics dividends to grow their own capital value (Which I doubt will keep up with bitcoin difficulty growth)


Thats just off the top of my head, enough red flags to give me serious pause. Unless Cryptx can explain their business plan/profit motive in more honest terms, I just don't see it as anything other than a clever ploy by Cryptx to aquire our money for their growth.
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