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Topic: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) - page 215. (Read 565837 times)

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I enjoy reading this thread!

My personal opinion is that Petamine is a good investment at the present price so I continue to buy shares.
The price is not only about value it is defined by what people are willing pay for something.
I am really happy with the Petamine team. They could have handled things differently. 8.68 GHs is very good news.
The fact that the shares that I bought at the time of the IPO are now valued at double the initial price is also very nice of course.

Looking forward to receiving the first dividends!

Take care and relax everybody it's just crazy internet money. BTCBTCBTC
ateneto
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So since we know now that Peta mine is google we can re evaluate the stock price:

Google market capitalization/80674*bitcoinvalue=6969BTC
I think we are currently undervalued!
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And we are arguing here where CryptX found the funds!  Cheesy
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Guys, did you read the speculations in bitmine thread?
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Peta-mine is based in industrial incubator based in Bruxelles and owned / invested in by GOOGLE.

What did that tell you ?

CryptX is just a subset of Google ? Maybe. That would be understandable.

 Cheesy



There is actual proof for that. See, in the first post in this thread Cryptx posted a document hosted on the servers from google! GOOGLE!

Proof: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjI5bgsiFJAidFdzOTk1aXl6cS1zNG1nck5OZjRBeXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
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Guys, did you read the speculations in bitmine thread?
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Peta-mine is based in industrial incubator based in Bruxelles and owned / invested in by GOOGLE.

What did that tell you ?

CryptX is just a subset of Google ? Maybe. That would be understandable.

 Cheesy

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what is there to discuss? a share was trading for .065 btc for 2.88 ghs. this instantly became 8.68.


price per ghs @ .065 (2.88 ghs per share) = 0.02256 btc/ghs, which is on par with available cloud mining offerings (this offering is essentially commodified ghs)


price per ghs @ .065 (8.68 per share) = 0.00748 btc/ghs, which is pre order prices for physical hardware, and un-fucking heard of for commodified hashing

so why wouldnt the share price adjust to the same ratio?

8.68 x .02256 = .1958 btc per share

this is what people were paying before.

lets use another metric... lowest cloud mined ghs price = .018 at bit-mining.co

that would make the hashing capacity represented by a share of PETA = .1562 btc per share (market price x capacity)

so .1562 or .1958

this asset is currently undervalued

am i making a fundamental error or failing to see something that is obvious? im dead serious.

~Green

please guys, if im not understanding this (this is what i am basing my max buy price/exit price on) provide clarification.

I'm not sure what the asset really should be priced at, but I'm going to explain to you why I don't think you could just use the ratio to calculate the new price.
The real value of PETA is not the initial hashrate, but the reinvestment. So with the old news we are not only paying for the 2.88 GH/s, but also for hoping that the hashrate will rise, and some day hit 8.68 through reinvestments.
We already don't know when the old "initial hashrate" of 2.88 will achieved, because it depends of the shipments of the suppliers.

Now we have the new announcement. We only could expect the asset value to increase in the same ratio if you have reason to believe that the 8.68 will arrive at the same time when you expected the 2.88 to arrive. In my opinion this is unrealistic.
The real value of the news from yesterday is that we see that peta has an actual plan how to achieve a higher hashrate and that they shared with us when they expect the new miners to arrive. This eliminated a lot of uncertainty that existed before.

To be honest, I'm not quite sure what the real value of the Peta shares should be. Comparing the price to cloudmining can only be a very rough estimate. Because there are two big questionmarks:
How fast will peta achieve their initial hashrate?
Will peta be able to reinvest quick and good enough to beat the difficulty rise?

In short: An increase in "initial hashrate" is only worth three times as much when it arrives at the same time when the old initial hashrate would have arrived.

Further Analysis of the News:
I'll assume that one Terraminer and one Coincraft rig is 2Th/s and that one Coincraft desk is 1Th/s.
That would give us following hashrate according to the deployment schedule:
Currently      : 45 Th/s
Week  9       : 115 Th/s
Week 10      : 225 Th/s
Week 11      : 335 Th/s
Week 12      : 445 Th/s
Week 13-15  :695 Th/s

So under perfect conditions (correct shipment date and 100% working miners with 100% capacity) we will achieve the old initial hashrate in the first week of march. The new "initial hashrate" will be achieved in the beginning of april, one month later, if they really are capable of producing their own custom board.

Of course this is good news since we finally know a little more about what is going on. But if we compare it to January where we were promised 2.88 in the first half of february + reinvestments in the later months we can see the damage of the delayed shipment.

And just as a little comparison, what would be the hashrate under perfect condition if everything would have worked out as planned? (Deployment of 2.88 in Week 7, with growing of 18% every 14 days to keep up with difficulty)
Week 7:    232 Th/s
Week 9:    273 Th/s
Week 11:  323 Th/s
Week 13:  381 Th/s
Week 15:  449 Th/s

Edit: As the discussion progressed quite a bit since I started writing because I'm too stupid to click on 47: I agree more with the valuation of Greenbits than mmitech. Please don't flame me  Grin
legendary
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Well hello there!
Hash don't lie gentlemen.  This puppy is finally taking off.  I for one hope CryptX and crew fill many future weekends as they have this last.  Keep it up fellas.
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I might be slightly drunk but seriously, what the fuck are you guys doing complaining? This is the best value of any mining project by a mile, fullstop. If anyone has any problems seriously sell your shares and fuck off. I cba reading this paranoid troll shit anymore

That's what happens when someone gets bull trapped.  He is trying to convince people to sell to him cheaper as if the good news never happened.

Did you even read my post? Are you brand new to the term bull trap and just excited to throw it out?

I have ample funds in this project that tbh I dont really give a fuck about. I just cant for the life of me see why people are already complaining. CryptX just trippled everyone's expectations and there's already a team of ultra skeptical timewasters speading fud. Seriously get the fuck out. This isn't for you. Buy and hold btc, your never going to nake money otherwise



The one who is complaining the loudest, is the one who rushed to nervously exit last week, driving prices down with big sells and came here to make an announcement about share-holders whinging too much and some nonsense about namecoin merged mining.

naturally there is some regret for him to see the latest developments, and so he shows up on 180 turn to try his hand at some whinging too - I think you can take words with a heavy grain of salt. The arguments don't have merit, the shareprice now is undervalued by all metrics  Smiley

I must say I was also skeptical. I'm sorry for doubting CryptX.. forgive me master
legendary
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I might be slightly drunk but seriously, what the fuck are you guys doing complaining? This is the best value of any mining project by a mile, fullstop. If anyone has any problems seriously sell your shares and fuck off. I cba reading this paranoid troll shit anymore

That's what happens when someone gets bull trapped.  He is trying to convince people to sell to him cheaper as if the good news never happened.

Did you even read my post? Are you brand new to the term bull trap and just excited to throw it out?

I have ample funds in this project that tbh I dont really give a fuck about. I just cant for the life of me see why people are already complaining. CryptX just trippled everyone's expectations and there's already a team of ultra skeptical timewasters speading fud. Seriously get the fuck out. This isn't for you. Buy and hold btc, your never going to nake money otherwise

Your right. Sorry. Im going to sleep

Lol np, happens to the best of us Wink

you guys make me smile Smiley
legendary
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I might be slightly drunk but seriously, what the fuck are you guys doing complaining? This is the best value of any mining project by a mile, fullstop. If anyone has any problems seriously sell your shares and fuck off. I cba reading this paranoid troll shit anymore

That's what happens when someone gets bull trapped.  He is trying to convince people to sell to him cheaper as if the good news never happened.

Did you even read my post? Are you brand new to the term bull trap and just excited to throw it out?

I have ample funds in this project that tbh I dont really give a fuck about. I just cant for the life of me see why people are already complaining. CryptX just trippled everyone's expectations and there's already a team of ultra skeptical timewasters speading fud. Seriously get the fuck out. This isn't for you. Buy and hold btc, your never going to nake money otherwise

Your right. Sorry. Im going to sleep

Lol np, happens to the best of us Wink
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I might be slightly drunk but seriously, what the fuck are you guys doing complaining? This is the best value of any mining project by a mile, fullstop. If anyone has any problems seriously sell your shares and fuck off. I cba reading this paranoid troll shit anymore

That's what happens when someone gets bull trapped.  He is trying to convince people to sell to him cheaper as if the good news never happened.

Did you even read my post? Are you brand new to the term bull trap and just excited to throw it out?

I have ample funds in this project that tbh I dont really give a fuck about. I just cant for the life of me see why people are already complaining. CryptX just trippled everyone's expectations and there's already a team of ultra skeptical timewasters speading fud.

He is not attacking you, you're drunk.  Cheesy

Your right. Sorry. Im going to sleep
legendary
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I might be slightly drunk but seriously, what the fuck are you guys doing complaining? This is the best value of any mining project by a mile, fullstop. If anyone has any problems seriously sell your shares and fuck off. I cba reading this paranoid troll shit anymore

That's what happens when someone gets bull trapped.  He is trying to convince people to sell to him cheaper as if the good news never happened.

Did you even read my post? Are you brand new to the term bull trap and just excited to throw it out?

I have ample funds in this project that tbh I dont really give a fuck about. I just cant for the life of me see why people are already complaining. CryptX just trippled everyone's expectations and there's already a team of ultra skeptical timewasters speading fud.

He is not attacking you, you're drunk.  Cheesy
copper member
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I might be slightly drunk but seriously, what the fuck are you guys doing complaining? This is the best value of any mining project by a mile, fullstop. If anyone has any problems seriously sell your shares and fuck off. I cba reading this paranoid troll shit anymore

That's what happens when someone gets bull trapped.  He is trying to convince people to sell to him cheaper as if the good news never happened.

Did you even read my post? Are you brand new to the term bull trap and just excited to throw it out?

I have ample funds in this project that tbh I dont really give a fuck about. I just cant for the life of me see why people are already complaining. CryptX just trippled everyone's expectations and there's already a team of ultra skeptical timewasters speading fud. Seriously get the fuck out. This isn't for you. Buy and hold btc, your never going to nake money otherwise

legendary
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I might be slightly drunk but seriously, what the fuck are you guys doing complaining? This is the best value of any mining project by a mile, fullstop. If anyone has any problems seriously sell your shares and fuck off. I cba reading this paranoid troll shit anymore

That's what happens when someone gets bull trapped.  He is trying to convince people to sell to him cheaper as if the good news never happened.
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I might be slightly drunk but seriously, what the fuck are you guys doing complaining? This is the best value of any mining project by a mile, fullstop. If anyone has any problems seriously sell your shares and fuck off. I cba reading this paranoid troll shit anymore
legendary
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people were paying .0225 per ghs at .065. we can agree on this because it is fact. and this price was achieved before any dividends have been disbursed.

why wouldnt they pay that now (per ghs) that peta is actually hashing?

what other metrics could possibly be used to evaluate this price of this asset? besides the current price per ghs (commodified, because this asset is way more liquidable than hardware?)

i stand by my valuation since you have not refuted it with evidence to me.


which begs the question..

why does the price increase concern you so much? are you not properly purchased into your position? you are incredulous at an increase in price, on good news. this is how markets work. on what might possibly be the best news here since this thread started.

can you please explain your motivations for your current argument?

~Green
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bitarchitect

how should I put that for you.... you just confirmed what I was saying over and over and all over again.... yes they will deploy that 700 TH and you will have 8.68 GH/s per share but it will take time, so it will be full online middle April, wasnt that already projected for April ? except that beside that being projected you lost all the income for 2 months... got it now ? now you can go buy more shares for 0.12 BTC

lets say no, he will deploy it mid march, ok cool it doesnt make a difference, you still lost 2 months of income and he is just trying to boost things up to compensate you, but 0.1 share price is just insane, it proves that people don't think for a single moment and cant do math.


I think we are not going anywhere, but... According to you, this announcement makes no difference between the previous scheduled 700TH for April (at the table), and the "new" 700TH that may come also in April. Why all this hype if nothing changes and we have nothing? That's your point, isn't it?

Well, the problem is that after all those delays we've had on everything , the scheduled 700TH wasn't going to be possible in April for sure, because they depended on the revenue from mining... that hadn't started yet! That's why I've been telling you that the chart you are based on, is useless, because it assumes that we are already mining, and we already have funds for investment; and those previously-scheduled 700TH for April, would have come far later for sure!!! So, if assuming all this delays, the price of the share was 0.7 prior this announcement... with the news telling us that the the 700TH will come with no need of new funding or waiting for mining proffits, and it will happen soon... share price has to rise!

However, If you are gonna keep looking at initial table to use as comparative... well, in that case, of course this hype has no sense, because nothing changes and 700TH are coming at the same date despite delays. But, to me, that chart was outdated and can't be used, precisely because of the delays. This is good news, because tell us that we are back on scheduled hashing power. And with that schedule, 0.1 per share isn't insane at all!

legendary
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This +1.

Let's do another exercise to reinforce the point. B.MINE is another major mining stock on Havelock. It acts like a 5 GH/s mining bond. It is trading at .062.

5 GH/s = .062BTC
8.7 GH/s = X = (.062/5)*8.7 = .108 BTC/Share of PETA

Note, this valuation is EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE b/c B.MINE has absolutely NO reinvestment. I think .17 is a more realistic value.

This stock is hela undervalued. But please, keep selling and trolling to scare the price down. Please, for me Wink

I made my points, and I wont discuss this further...it is not like I am forcing anything and BTW I didn't suggest that anyone sell, it is your money and you will do whatever is right for you. and I am done here... good luck
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what is there to discuss? a share was trading for .065 btc for 2.88 ghs. this instantly became 8.68.


price per ghs @ .065 (2.88 ghs per share) = 0.02256 btc/ghs, which is on par with available cloud mining offerings (this offering is essentially commodified ghs)


price per ghs @ .065 (8.68 per share) = 0.00748 btc/ghs, which is pre order prices for physical hardware, and un-fucking heard of for commodified hashing

so why wouldnt the share price adjust to the same ratio?

8.68 x .02256 = .1958 btc per share

this is what people were paying before.

lets use another metric... lowest cloud mined ghs price = .018 at bit-mining.co

that would make the hashing capacity represented by a share of PETA = .1562 btc per share (market price x capacity)

so .1562 or .1958

this asset is currently undervalued

am i making a fundamental error or failing to see something that is obvious? im dead serious.

~Green

please guys, if im not understanding this (this is what i am basing my max buy price/exit price on) provide clarification.

This +1.

Let's do another exercise to reinforce the point. B.MINE is another major mining stock on Havelock. It acts like a 5 GH/s mining bond. It is trading at .062.

5 GH/s = .062BTC
8.7 GH/s = X = (.062/5)*8.7 = .108 BTC/Share of PETA

Note, this valuation is EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE b/c B.MINE has absolutely NO reinvestment. I think .17 is a more realistic value.

This stock is hela undervalued. But please, keep selling and trolling to scare the price down. Please, for me Wink
legendary
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what is there to discuss? a share was trading for .065 btc for 2.88 ghs. this instantly became 8.68.


price per ghs @ .065 (2.88 ghs per share) = 0.02256 btc/ghs, which is on par with available cloud mining offerings (this offering is essentially commodified ghs)


price per ghs @ .065 (8.68 per share) = 0.00748 btc/ghs, which is pre order prices for physical hardware, and un-fucking heard of for commodified hashing

so why wouldnt the share price adjust to the same ratio?

8.68 x .02256 = .1958 btc per share

this is what people were paying before.

lets use another metric... lowest cloud mined ghs price = .018 at bit-mining.co

that would make the hashing capacity represented by a share of PETA = .1562 btc per share (market price x capacity)

so .1562 or .1958

this asset is currently undervalued

am i making a fundamental error or failing to see something that is obvious? im dead serious.

~Green

please guys, if im not understanding this (this is what i am basing my max buy price/exit price on) provide clarification.

wow people you blow me really off with your math, price of 2.4 GH/s was set to start mining at 01.01.2014 at 0.05BTC, and today is ? got it ?  in mid April you should have 8.68GH/s anyways if the mining started as it was projected, the worst thing is because of Cointerra and Bitmine delay you lost the 2 months income....don't let greed become your only logic...

Edit: I am not saying the share price cant reach 0.1 or 0.2 but seriously now at 0.1 ? why? mining didnt fully start yet, and as I understood from their statment there wont be any hardware for sell  so no income from that...
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