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Topic: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) - page 243. (Read 565897 times)

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It's electricity and hosting.
Dont u think 30ish euro cents per Watt of eq. Is not an overkill for hosting?  Just saying...
per kWatt.

How much did KnC charge for 6 months of hosting for their Jupiter miners? $2100? (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2707082)

Jupiter, is that 0.6 kW/H ?
  
0.6 * 24 * 30 * 6 = 2592 kW
$2100 / 2592 kW = 0.81 $/kW

Isn't that overkill ?
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It's electricity and hosting.
Dont u think 30ish euro cents per Watt of eq. Is not an overkill for hosting?  Just saying...
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look at page 27 figure 24. Belgium industrial price 7-17 cents/kW (ex VAT, i suppose cryptx is a VAT payer Smiley
pdf here

with all the teraH/s cx had, they have been well qualified for e.g.the prices u state.

Nice find

CryptX is a SPRL, meaning they recover VAT (VAT shouldn't be taken into account) http://kbopub.economie.fgov.be/kbopub/toonondernemingps.html?ondernemingsnummer=536896285

Nice find as well ^^

But is it the same firm, coz it lists different address there than on their web?

Please, CryptX, enlighten us on that.
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Pretty good news out of Cointerra: http://cointerra.com/engineering-update-asic-bringup-diagnostic-testing/

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Our first round of tests were focused on characterizing one of the four dies on a single GoldStrike I ASIC. The engineers slowly increased the number of active hashing pipelines and monitored their performance. At the end of this round of tests we achieved our target of 132GH/s on a single die.

That is awesome. Currently fantasizing about what those chips could do immersed and OCed

No, thats good. Machines on there way to Peta would be awesome. But they took a couple of days to test the single die.
I'm hoping they got the hang of it or else it could take a nother week testing the whole chip and more weeks to test the casing, cooling etc.

It would be better if they did it quick and dirty like KNC.
Al in the case with the it works firmware. Assemble and ship

People can start hashing and will nag about some quircks but in the weeks to follow it will get super good.
Then you can already start hashing at 80% capacity.

My KNC now does 680Ghash and i was verry glad i could hash at 500Ghash for the first 4 weeks when firmwares came out every few days.
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Pretty good news out of Cointerra: http://cointerra.com/engineering-update-asic-bringup-diagnostic-testing/

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Our first round of tests were focused on characterizing one of the four dies on a single GoldStrike I ASIC. The engineers slowly increased the number of active hashing pipelines and monitored their performance. At the end of this round of tests we achieved our target of 132GH/s on a single die.

That is awesome. Currently fantasizing about what those chips could do immersed and OCed
legendary
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Pretty good news out of Cointerra: http://cointerra.com/engineering-update-asic-bringup-diagnostic-testing/

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Our first round of tests were focused on characterizing one of the four dies on a single GoldStrike I ASIC. The engineers slowly increased the number of active hashing pipelines and monitored their performance. At the end of this round of tests we achieved our target of 132GH/s on a single die.
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I only have 7 shares in PETA as that's all I can afford, but all this talk is making it sound fishy. The high elec costs and the lack of comms with cointerra. What's going on? I thought I made a sound investment. I predicted 1 BTC return over 12 months with 7 shares.
Just for fun - since bitcoin is rallying again, let's see what happens in that spreadsheet if it's value is, say, 1500$.
Download the spreadsheet, input 1550 in BTC/USD cell, and look at the dividend/share cell: 0.402  Wink
* your 7 shares =

try 5,000$..you can be multi-millionare even with 7 shares, 168% of all bitcoins ever created will be paid out through divs here
Not sure where your seeing the 168%, however theoretically we will still earn bitcoins from mining when all bitcoins have been created. This income will come from the fees. So in theory yes, you could earn as many btc as will ever be created.

I'm just saying to previous guy don't get confused and rely on spreadsheet div/share calculation to gauge your BTC profit on this operation. put in 5,000 USD/SPOT on this spreadsheet, and it indicates same 7 shares generating 1274 BTC.. 1.2million$ at today price or 6 million $ at 5k.. and for 100k shares- more than 17billion$, 85 billion $ if 5k reached.

also, you would never even theoretically control close to 100% of the total monetary supply of btc even for the simple reason that balances have already been rendered unspendable. let alone more than that (control=funds paired to privkey/public address and spendable, not balance passing in/out), . when block reward is low enough to warrant miners having incentivization to process block with fees as priority..which we don't need to factor into this operation. those tx fees are and will be paid out of existing supply- which has a hard cap, not added on top.
Point taken....
I was however reffering as you were to total btc ever minted, not total in circulation. Fees are in essence newly minted btc, they are destroyed when the transaction is sent and recreated when the block is confirmed.
legendary
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It's electricity and hosting.
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Is it just me or do you think electricity cost of 0.45$/kWh is quite big?
It says it here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjI5bgsiFJAidFBsclpVM0FSdFZNalRGNnVlc0VxSGc&usp=drive_web#gid=1

I myself pay about 0.14-0.16$/kwh in Finland.

CryptX is based in Belgium where they are being r*ped by electricty companies. Price is 0,23 € on average -> 0,3 $ /kWh ... Not the best place to build a farm in the world.

Then yes, 0,45$ is anormally big

i tought they said the datacentre was mainly solar powered ?
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look at page 27 figure 24. Belgium industrial price 7-17 cents/kW (ex VAT, i suppose cryptx is a VAT payer Smiley
pdf here

with all the teraH/s cx had, they have been well qualified for e.g.the prices u state.

Nice find

CryptX is a SPRL, meaning they recover VAT (VAT shouldn't be taken into account) http://kbopub.economie.fgov.be/kbopub/toonondernemingps.html?ondernemingsnummer=536896285
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Large electricity users in EU can get easily down around 0.1$/kwh.

Not really, look at the first table here. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Energy_price_statistics and it was in 2011

Large users get 0.115 €/kWh in 2011 in Belgium, that means 0.15 $/kWh. I doubt it's cheaper now.

But AFAIK we don't know the details for petamine ... (we don't even know the annual consumption and if they should be considered a "large" user)


look at page 27 figure 24. Belgium industrial price 7-17 cents/kW (ex VAT, i suppose cryptx is a VAT payer Smiley
pdf here

with all the teraH/s cx had, they have been well qualified for e.g.the prices u state.
hero member
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Large electricity users in EU can get easily down around 0.1$/kwh.

Not really, look at the first table here. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Energy_price_statistics and it was in 2011

Large users get 0.115 €/kWh in 2011 in Belgium, that means 0.15 $/kWh. I doubt it's cheaper now.

But AFAIK we don't know the details for petamine ... (we don't even know the annual consumption and if they should be considered a "large" user)
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Is it just me or do you think electricity cost of 0.45$/kWh is quite big?
It says it here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjI5bgsiFJAidFBsclpVM0FSdFZNalRGNnVlc0VxSGc&usp=drive_web#gid=1

I myself pay about 0.14-0.16$/kwh in Finland.

From their website
http://www.peta-mine.co/cryptx-buys-datacenter/

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September 9, 2013 – Brussels – CryptX, a company which specializes in Bitcoin mining, is pleased to announce the purchase of its own datacenter.

The datacenter has an initial power capacity to host 300 TH/s of Bitcoin mining equipment. The capacity can be expanded if necessary. The electricity costs can be kept at a minimum due to our on-site solar plant of 350,000 Watt. The first deployment of 20 TH/s at the end of September has a monthly total cost, including electricity, maintenance and hosting, of maximum 5,000$.

The purchase of the datacenter is the second milestone in the development of the PETA-MINE. This enables CryptX to run the mine very cost efficient.

I have looked at their spreadsheet and find it lacking. For one its based on 10day increments when they will be paying weekly. Second, their increase in network hashrate is fixed instead of an average %. I could go on.

According to their website, (see above) they have capacity for solar power, so maybe that .45 for electricity is outdated, or accounts for paying off the install of the solar panels.

Large electricity users in EU can get easily down around 0.1$/kwh.
legendary
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I only have 7 shares in PETA as that's all I can afford, but all this talk is making it sound fishy. The high elec costs and the lack of comms with cointerra. What's going on? I thought I made a sound investment. I predicted 1 BTC return over 12 months with 7 shares.
Just for fun - since bitcoin is rallying again, let's see what happens in that spreadsheet if it's value is, say, 1500$.
Download the spreadsheet, input 1550 in BTC/USD cell, and look at the dividend/share cell: 0.402  Wink
* your 7 shares =

try 5,000$..you can be multi-millionare even with 7 shares, 168% of all bitcoins ever created will be paid out through divs here
Not sure where your seeing the 168%, however theoretically we will still earn bitcoins from mining when all bitcoins have been created. This income will come from the fees. So in theory yes, you could earn as many btc as will ever be created.
legendary
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how much of a delay are we talking here? has there been any info from cointerra?
According to their forum
http://forum.cointerra.com/threads/more-news.278/
They are only a few weeks behind on decembers batch.
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how much of a delay are we talking here? has there been any info from cointerra?
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All these delays from suppliers are the main reason I voted against a sale of the initial mining hardware.

Better some returns on the shares than all these delays (no fault on Cryptx part)

Guess some people thought they could get a quick win
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Bitcoin difficulty adjusts every 2016 blocks. A block is mined about every 10 minutes. This means difficulty adjusts about every 2 weeks. There are about 4 weeks in a month.
There are ~3 difficulty changes per month due to the speed the network is growing

Bitcoin difficulty is adjusting about +1% per adjustment
Difficulty has been going up a *lot* more than 1% - last few adjustments:
2014-01-06 03:07:50 AM   1418481395
2014-01-01 09:30:40 PM   1180923195
2013-12-21 03:55:20 AM   908350862
2013-12-10 08:07:30 AM   707408283
2013-11-27 06:55:30 AM   609482679
2013-11-16 05:05:10 AM   510929738
2013-11-05 07:30:09 PM   390928787
legendary
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I have looked at their spreadsheet and find it lacking. For one its based on 10day increments when they will be paying weekly. Second, their increase in network hashrate is fixed instead of an average %. I could go on.
Of course it's lacking. It's not easy to make an accurate model in spreadsheet.

Why 10 days?
They tried to follow difficulty update which happens on 10 to 14 days, depending on increase.
They are not calculating weakly divs, there is only 'total' divs/share for the whole year.

Why fixed increase?
Well, it's not fixed, look closer, it's changing, starting with 2500 (jan, feb), then it's 3500 (mar-may), after that 4000.
If you want that in % - that's something like starting with 20% increase now and decreasing that every retarget period by 7%. (maybe too optimistic?)

Of course its hard to make an accurate model. The spreadsheet is to try to make a prediction to help make investment decisions. I would use a % increase rather than a fixed # because we have historical data for the growth of the network. You could program a reduction in % after so many weeks, ie, 10% of 10%. this would account for the likely slowing of network growth over time.
I am also curious why they didn't just use the difficulty, instead of their % of the network.

I understand them using 10 days because of difficulty increase, but with weekly dividends and reinvestment, it would make more sense to calculate for the week, and perhaps calculate the difficulty increase weekly as well. While this wouldn't be exact, it would provide #s that are likely more conservative and things work out better than the math says.
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Lol I didn't even know the dividends would increase depending on BTC/USD. Wow, so there's potential for 2-3 BTC return Cheesy I'm happy! I have 10 LTC in my wallet, tempted to invest more. Do you have any shares?
Dividend depends on BTC/USD because hosting fee is calculated in USD and reinvestment TH also.
I also hope that new chips coming later in 2014 will be more energy efficient, and that can also help keeping hosting cost lower. Spreadsheet shows that in September 2014 hosting costs outgrows reinvestment amount.

(Yes, I have some shares I bought back then in first IPO on btc-tc.co. Was that August? And this waiting game is killing me. But still holding.)
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