Health Professionals and COVID-19 - PROOF - page 8.

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Quote from: Spendulus on April 07, 2020, 08:42:07 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 07, 2020, 12:55:33 PM

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Coronavirus is all a lie. Or prove that it isn't by courtroom adjudications from a hundred different courts in the USA.

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So the Wonder Cures you have came out with to Easy Cure people with/from Coronovirus are for a disease that's a Lie?

People will get cured from all kinds of things. If they think they have CV, they will think they have been cured from CV.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 07, 2020, 12:55:33 PM

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Coronavirus is all a lie. Or prove that it isn't by courtroom adjudications from a hundred different courts in the USA.

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So the Wonder Cures you have came out with to Easy Cure people with/from Coronovirus are for a disease that's a Lie?

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Quote from: franky1 on April 07, 2020, 12:46:24 PM

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 08:32:17 PM

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 02:37:40 PM

^ running out of arguments to debate
meanwhile doctors having to treat patients know more than badeckers favourite conspiracy group

Not running out of arguments. Rather, solidifying points.

wrong
ok even your latest youtube guru proves you wrong
remember that vid where he shows an example ICD-10 form
it goes

You keep on forgetting that standard CV tests show results that could be any one of possibly hundreds of diseases. And the few detailed tests that actually DO show CV, are being focused on to cover up the multitudes that don't.

and you kep on forgetting ... well everything. no matter what topic it is. you forget even talking about things.

as for CV tests and what goes on in the ICU and what reporting happens.. you dont even know in the first place to even have a chance to forget.
meanwhile ACTUALY DOCTORS on ACTUAL ICU wards know better
but we all know that you will deny anything they say
instead you prefer to believe youtube influencers that make a faux news studio look. to pretend they are official

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ill stick to research and learning from those that actually know. actually trained, actually experienced.
maybe you should try that oneday

you forget the topic title ... PROOF.

A bunch of blabbing media with a few lying, duplicitous doctors don't amount to proof. The strongest evidence is in the empty hospitals. Second is the people who work in big stores like Walmart or Target, and aren't getting any sicker than any other year.

Anybody can check this out, and many have.

Coronavirus is all a lie. Or prove that it isn't by courtroom adjudications from a hundred different courts in the USA.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 07, 2020, 12:42:01 PM

Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 08:32:17 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 08:05:41 PM

Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 02:37:40 PM

^ running out of arguments to debate
meanwhile doctors having to treat patients know more than badeckers favourite conspiracy group

Not running out of arguments. Rather, solidifying points.

wrong
ok even your latest youtube guru proves you wrong
remember that vid where he shows an example ICD-10 form
it goes

You keep on forgetting that standard CV tests show results that could be any one of possibly hundreds of diseases. And the few detailed tests that actually DO show CV, are being focused on to cover up the multitudes that don't.

and you keep on forgetting ... well everything. no matter what topic it is. you forget even talking about things a couple posts after making them.

as for CV tests and what goes on in the ICU and what reporting happens.. you dont even know in the first place to even have a chance to forget.
meanwhile ACTUALY DOCTORS on ACTUAL ICU wards know better
but we all know that you will deny anything they say
instead you prefer to believe youtube influencers that make a faux news studio look. to pretend they are official

..
ill stick to research and learning from those that actually know. actually trained, actually experienced.
maybe you should try that oneday

BADecker

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 08:32:17 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 08:05:41 PM

Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 02:37:40 PM

^ running out of arguments to debate
meanwhile doctors having to treat patients know more than badeckers favourite conspiracy group

Not running out of arguments. Rather, solidifying points.

wrong
ok even your latest youtube guru proves you wrong
remember that vid where he shows an example ICD-10 form

it goes

You keep on forgetting that standard CV tests show results that could be any one of possibly hundreds of diseases. And the few detailed tests that actually DO show CV, are being focused on to cover up the multitudes that don't.

The pandemic is a lie. It's being used to cover up the fact that the banking fiat system is failing, and will crash shortly. People will blame CV, because that's all they see. Bankers and government people know this. That's why they are creating the fake CV panic.

It wouldn't be so bad, but now that people are being herded into specific locations, it's easier to see that they get infected, so that the fake panic is starting to get some teeth in it a little.

You have the whole thing backwards.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 08:05:41 PM

Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 02:37:40 PM

^ running out of arguments to debate
meanwhile doctors having to treat patients know more than badeckers favourite conspiracy group

Not running out of arguments. Rather, solidifying points.

wrong
ok even your latest youtube guru proves you wrong
remember that vid where he shows an example ICD-10 form

it goes

1. acute respiratory disease
2. {whatever pre existing condition)
3. covid19 positive

the person actually died due to the respiratory distress not the pre existing condition

if the ICD-10 was
1. blood loss
2.gunshot
3. covid19 positive

that would not be a covid death in the public tally of covid mortalities.
doctors always put the actual cause first

as for diagnosing if forinstance the pre existing condition was say asthma.. and the breathing difficulties were due to asthma but just happened to also be covid19 positive, it would be

1. unspecified asthma with acute exacerbation
2.covid19
again not covid death

there are hundreds of codes
doctors dont just pick a code out of a hat
they diagnose first then treat

policy now is patients get xrayed and scanned and many other tests. they also look at the symptoms.. basically they are doctors doing doctor things

i know you want to believe that the only thing doctors do is test for covid and dont run anything else.. but your wrong

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 02:37:40 PM

^ running out of arguments to debate
meanwhile doctors having to treat patients know more than badeckers favourite conspiracy group

Not running out of arguments. Rather, solidifying points.

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^ running out of arguments to debate
meanwhile doctors having to treat patients know more than badeckers favourite conspiracy group

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 11:33:35 AM

Quote from: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 11:13:17 AM

And this is exactly why the various doctors report so many different conclusions. The way the medical community works to keep the conclusions organized into something that makes sense, they simply decide which material to report officially and which not to report.

Now we are finding that in these official reports, are a whole bunch of things that don't make sense, because (it seems) that the medical leaders have agendas other than simply seeing that the populace remains healthy.

doctors have to report all symptoms on all medical records.. again your thinking of the ONS department who are not doctors and its the ONS that juggle the details..
its not the ONS that release their juggle to the public.
its your conspiracy guru that tried to finds a number juggle and pretend thats the official reporting route..
he lied to you

doctors have employment contractual obligations to report and treat patients and their data fairly. and there are punishments if hey dont.. the DHSC are the same

your finger wagging at doctors but realising the number juggling is nothing to do with doctors or the reports the public get.
i know you like a good conspiracy.. so you will find one about ONS.. but it aint the conspiracy your hoping it to be. but the one you find might keep you entertained for a while
you dont understand the reality of the ICD-10 thing your guru pokes out

Why should it matter to doctors if they report anything other than their diagnosis? If they are given freedom to report what they want, it's on the heads of their superiors. If nobody requires anything of any doctor, why should a doctor care?

It is the CDC that has told medical people to diagnose Covid-19 if there is any question at all. So, who cares? Notice that I didn't say WHO cares. But even WHO cares. They want a pandemic whether or not there is any reason for it, just like the CDC.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 11:13:17 AM

And this is exactly why the various doctors report so many different conclusions. The way the medical community works to keep the conclusions organized into something that makes sense, they simply decide which material to report officially and which not to report.

Now we are finding that in these official reports, are a whole bunch of things that don't make sense, because (it seems) that the medical leaders have agendas other than simply seeing that the populace remains healthy.

doctors have to report all symptoms on all medical records.. again your thinking of the ONS department who are not doctors and its the ONS that juggle the details..
its not the ONS that release their juggle to the public.
its your conspiracy guru that tried to finds a number juggle and pretend thats the official reporting route..
he lied to you

doctors have employment contractual obligations to report and treat patients and their data fairly. and there are punishments if hey dont.. the DHSC are the same

your finger wagging at doctors but realising the number juggling is nothing to do with doctors or the reports the public get.
i know you like a good conspiracy.. so you will find one about ONS.. but it aint the conspiracy your hoping it to be. but the one you find might keep you entertained for a while
you dont understand the reality of the ICD-10 thing your guru pokes out

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 11:00:04 AM

doctors report actual symptoms and treatment and DHSC get that. which then public get

its the ONS that get data 5 days later to form the ICD-10 conspiracy you have fallen for.. not realising thats a whole separate statistical graph from an entirely different office

hint. the ICD-10 cospiracy data plots are higher with ONS..
but the public dont get this because it doesnt show data of exact cause.
the DHSC number is lower..

and its this more accurate number the public see as its actually death of symptom known to be triggered by corona.

so its you that thinks the numbers are overhyped.. but your not realising what your even talking about

And this is exactly why the various doctors report so many different conclusions. The way the medical community works to keep the conclusions organized into something that makes sense, they simply decide which material to report officially and which not to report.

Now we are finding that in these official reports, are a whole bunch of things that don't make sense, because (it seems) that the medical leaders have agendas other than simply seeing that the populace remains healthy.

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doctors report actual symptoms and treatment and DHSC get that. which then public get

its the ONS that get data 5 days later to form the ICD-10 conspiracy you have fallen for.. not realising thats a whole separate statistical graph from an entirely different office

hint. the ICD-10 cospiracy data plots are higher with ONS..
but the public dont get this because it doesnt show data of exact cause.
the DHSC number is lower..

and its this more accurate number the public see as its actually death of symptom known to be triggered by corona.

so its you that thinks the numbers are overhyped.. but your not realising what your even talking about

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 10:39:26 AM

i told you this days ago.. but you have rejected finding the answer for yourself

what doctors diagnose and actually know and report goes to one department which then becomes the public release
lets call this A

the death certificate is created upto 5 days later and goees to another department
let call this B

what you seem to be obsessed with is thinking B is the public release stat.. its not
B is the department that takes ant ICD-10 of corona and puts it into their database for other reasons

if you charted it out

_______ B
|___/
| _________ A
|__/
|______________

this A is the list of those that die due to corona specific health symptoms and tested with corona
B is a list of any death cause. where corona tested positive

again for example of the UK
the ONS department is B.. media and worldometer and gov.uk do not report B(ons)
the DHSC department is A.. media and worldometer and gov.uk DO report A(DHSC)

you were told this days ago and had days to check it out

DHSC get data direct from doctors the day of death via the patients charts
ONS get it from death certificate deays later, which ONS then decides to group any death cause

Thank you kindly, franky1. All you said is that doctors hype the reasons for death, and then make as sure as possible that the hype sticks.

The most important part of what you said, is that you said it days ago. This shows that you haven't come down to reality for days, at least. But it probably is more like years.

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i told you this days ago.. but you have rejected finding the answer for yourself

what doctors diagnose and actually know and report goes to one department which then becomes the public release
lets call this A

the death certificate is created upto 5 days later and goees to another department
let call this B

what you seem to be obsessed with is thinking B is the public release stat.. its not
B is the department that takes ant ICD-10 of corona and puts it into their database for other reasons

if you charted it out

_______ B
|___/
| _________ A
|__/
|______________

this A is the list of those that die due to corona specific health symptoms and tested with corona
B is a list of any death cause. where corona tested positive

again for example of the UK
the ONS department is B.. media and worldometer and gov.uk do not report B(ons)
the DHSC department is A.. media and worldometer and gov.uk DO report A(DHSC)

you were told this days ago and had days to check it out

DHSC get data direct from doctors the day of death via the patients charts
ONS get it from death certificate deays later, which ONS then decides to group any death cause

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 10:15:03 AM

Quote from: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 09:53:51 AM

Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 06:56:51 AM

so healthy doctors able to work 12hours a day no problem. suddenly get sick due to viral load and high r0 from the patient they are in proximity to

but wait you'll deny its an actual thing and pretend the doctor must have being a drug abuser or got stabbed..

Sickness and illness are actual, real things. So is overwork. Nobody has proof that Covid-19 is an actual, real danger, or that anybody is being made ill or sick by it.

Testing to determine this would include the testing the whole genome of all the viruses that a person has. Rather, the medical tests only a snippet of a virus. The snippet could be part of any number of viruses. But the decision is made to call it Covid-19. Why? It's an arbitrary decision.

The reason is to hid the fact that the coming economic crash has to do with the money system. Blame CV, even if it's a false blame. That way we protect our banking butts.

scientists know enough things about real things to know what and how to test. i know you feel that if someone only tested 40% of your genome people will confuse you with a banana.. dont worry we still recognise you as an idiot by recognising multiple features and combining lots of information gathered to make a diagnoses..

if you think the only way to know the difference between a man and woman is to test their genome.. well, i guess you have not much experience of genders

The problem isn't about knowing testing and doing it properly. The problem is providing the information to the public in a way that gives truthful points regarding the testing. For example, "It isn't the same thing, to die 'with' coronavirus, as it is to die 'from' coronavirus.

And this is exactly the thing that is being done. Reports on deaths "with" are being mixed with reports "from."

The BIG additional problem is that CV testing that is being used, doesn't even show with certainty that CV is present.

This means that your whole point is useless. Until they get accurate testing into use, and then report on the differences between "with" and "from," all the pandemic talk is based on the unknown.

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Quote from: BADecker on April 06, 2020, 09:53:51 AM

Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 06:56:51 AM

so healthy doctors able to work 12hours a day no problem. suddenly get sick due to viral load and high r0 from the patient they are in proximity to

but wait you'll deny its an actual thing and pretend the doctor must have being a drug abuser or got stabbed..

Sickness and illness are actual, real things. So is overwork. Nobody has proof that Covid-19 is an actual, real danger, or that anybody is being made ill or sick by it.

Testing to determine this would include the testing the whole genome of all the viruses that a person has. Rather, the medical tests only a snippet of a virus. The snippet could be part of any number of viruses. But the decision is made to call it Covid-19. Why? It's an arbitrary decision.

The reason is to hid the fact that the coming economic crash has to do with the money system. Blame CV, even if it's a false blame. That way we protect our banking butts.

scientists know enough things about real things to know what and how to test. i know you feel that if someone only tested 40% of your genome people will confuse you with a banana.. dont worry we still recognise you as an idiot by recognising multiple features and combining lots of information gathered to make a diagnoses..

if you think the only way to know the difference between a man and woman is to test their genome.. well, i guess you have not much experience of genders

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Quote from: tvbcof on April 06, 2020, 05:42:26 AM

Quote from: BADecker on April 05, 2020, 11:48:43 PM

Oh, come on, franky1. WW2 sulfa drugs would probably be good enough to cure CV.

Maybe the reason why fuckin' near everything seems 'to work' for 'covid-19 disease' because is not a real thing and SARS-cov-2 bolognavirus is just one of thousands of coronaviruses that are pretty much always around and almost never causes any concern.

Mwahahahahahaha! "Balognavirus!" Grin

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 06:56:51 AM

so healthy doctors able to work 12hours a day no problem. suddenly get sick due to viral load and high r0 from the patient they are in proximity to

but wait you'll deny its an actual thing and pretend the doctor must have being a drug abuser or got stabbed..

Sickness and illness are actual, real things. So is overwork. Nobody has proof that Covid-19 is an actual, real danger, or that anybody is being made ill or sick by it.

Testing to determine this would include the testing the whole genome of all the viruses that a person has. Rather, the medical tests only a snippet of a virus. The snippet could be part of any number of viruses. But the decision is made to call it Covid-19. Why? It's an arbitrary decision.

The reason is to hid the fact that the coming economic crash has to do with the money system. Blame CV, even if it's a false blame. That way we protect our banking butts.

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so healthy doctors able to work 12hours a day no problem. suddenly get sick due to viral load and high r0 from the patient they are in proximity to

but wait you'll deny its an actual thing and pretend the doctor must have being a drug abuser or got stabbed..

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Quote from: franky1 on April 06, 2020, 05:51:27 AM

Quote from: tvbcof on April 06, 2020, 05:42:26 AM

Quote from: BADecker on April 05, 2020, 11:48:43 PM

Oh, come on, franky1. WW2 sulfa drugs would probably be good enough to cure CV.

Maybe the reason why fuckin' near everything seems 'to work' for 'covid-19 disease' because is not a real thing and SARS-cov-2 bolognavirus is just one of thousands of coronaviruses that are pretty much always around and almost never causes any concern.

learn r0 and viral load. and realise there is a difference
...

r0 is quite high for all coronaviruses including the SARS-cov-2 bolognavirus.

Viral load is probably low in most of the 'covid-19' cases (defined by anyone who has the bolognavirus in their system in addition to whatever is actually making them sick.) That is why you gotta do the maximum allowable cycles in a PCR run which is all the way up into area where things get very sketchy anyway.

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