Topic: HEDGE FUND BTC (Read 34259 times)

It seems the case has come out to the light and now he is being sued for scam practices.

We need an english version of this.

https://www.elconfidencial.com/tecnologia/2018-01-15/estafa-bitcoin-juan-pavon-besalu-investors-litecoin-ethereum_1502221/

wow... you're dumb af...
dividend is a share of profits not a 50% return on investment each time...

he gets 10,000$ invests it... the service generates 2$ it's first week with only 2people who invested 5,000$ each... 50% of the dividend shares are split between the two investors 0.50$ each and he keeps 1$... i don't see how you think this is such an amazing deal.


it seems that it is a scam but there are plenty of other reasons people shouldn't have invested.

mainly this...

Objectives:
- Basic criteria is working how business angels for interesting enterprises and ideas.
- Do not invest in illegal activities.
- Investments are prioritized with ethics, social and ecological projects.
- Investing in assets denominated in all crypto-currencies. But priority is for all nominated in BTC.
- Investing in stocks, bonds, funds and loans.
- Initially all business are in Internet but in one future it's possible invest also in stock markets (ex. NASDAQ, NYSE, EUROSTOCK, ...).
- Looking to increase value investing. Normally reinvest a percentage of the profits.
- Invest looking sustainable and to diversify risk.


crypto-currency investments, stocks,bonds,funds,loans, and investing in startup services i'm guessing...

although i'm sure alot of people know all of these or just some...  most of these require different expertise. i did not read every page of comments, but out of the first two i read i didn't see one person ask "what his qualifications are"

and just incase someone says these are all the same thing... "they are similar" but it's a big difference in giving a guy who can turn a profit with your money or a guy who can maximize profits in every field.

Bump, now they arent even paying the weekly dividend in BTC.

In the first place, I am in no way related to the investment fund Bitcoin Inverstors Trust or the more modern Numero Veritas.

Secondly, I speak from the role of user of various services like bitphone or ATMs atms of btcfacil, without having any complaints until the present moment.

Afterwards, it is true that there is little or no communication from the investment fund, that the decisions that are made do not appeal to investors and nobody likes to lose their investments or think that they will lose them.

Also the bureaucracy makes things go slow or use the legality and make a legal complaint in the courts. I repeat, it is an external opinion and I am not a lawyer.

 Dividend payout (aprox): 50%.


and you all thought it wasnt a scam with that high of a dividend payout?

Well that is your fault for risking such a huge amount and even investing in this silly nonesense. 
I wouldn't gain stakes in this.

I think than investments we do are interesting for bitcoin community ....
In Spain we have now 17 atms and next week we install 6 more. And we have possibility install 70 more. POR POSIBILIDAD PUEDES PONER 1000, EL PAPEL LO AGUANTA TODO Y EL TECLADO MAS !!!  
In Portugal we install 2 atms (2 months) HUMO
In Argentina we install 1 atms (2 months) HUMO
In Mexico we install 2 atms (2 months).  HUMO
Website is www.groupbtc.com
Other good invest is www.bitphone.es where you can add balance in your phone with bitcoins ;-)


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Well, the first thing he should do is actually address his clients here or via some other form of communication. As long as he hides and posts no word about this, people re going to think he s a scammer. I personally do not have any stake in this but I used to contemplate investing at some point. Glad that I passed on this one.

So what you re saying is that he respects his obligations on case to case basis? He does pay your and does not pay other people for whatever reason? How can that be honest and transparent?

The chap is pretty transparent about his personal info.

Well it was kinda obvious. No English website, operator not speaking good English, no actual data about him, lots of payments lags and unanswered questions, generally big time shady. Sorry for your loss people.

No news. The sob is not paying.

Any news about this fund?

I figure that's why he has so many two way ATMs that can only sell bitcoins. He's using them to sell the coins he gets through scams without having to meet anyone. The one ATM in Barcelona that could buy bitcoins only paid me a fraction of what I sent and several phone calls and emails did not get me my coins back. He has no intentions of running an honest business.

Bump.

Next Wednesday it will be 2 months since I put a sell order for the totality of my investment. That order was canceled some weeks afterwards, arguing that I was not correctly identified. So I uploaded my ID (yay) and placed a new order. This was 9 days ago, and all I have is dead silence. I don't even know whether the pic I uploaded is valid or not, despite having asked.

Partial story (in Spanish, sorry) here. I'm not publishing everything in one go in order to keep the thread at the top-ish.

Hedge Fund BTC or "How to turn 4 BTC into 16 worthless database tokens". Even the bitfinex ones have more value.

I guess you shouldn't have trusted him. Another scam. Somebody should open scam accusation. I ve almost invested here, dodged this one.

Jeeesus! A year has passed and nothing has changed! Makalu, how do you think we should trust you? Just because you create story after story?

Ya think !? They can barely speak English or structure anything. You should have known as its a dead give away.

I think you what is the answer. I was lucky enough to pass on this one but I seriously contemplated to invest into it.