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legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
May 01, 2012, 11:29:34 AM
#64
Lasse from Bitcoin Nordic here.

I'd like to point out the extreme similarity in looks between www.quickbitcoins.net and www.bitcoinnordic.com

The theme is a publicly available theme, but the interesting thing is that a lot of content has (almost) been copied too. I.e. the splash image, the menu options. It's so close that it's very distasteful.

WOW, thanks for pointing that out!

This doesn't look good for QuickBitcoins

Less, your doing a great job connecting the Nordic region with Bitcoin, keep up the great work  Grin We should connect

Is it just me or does this conversation we are currently having sound eerily familiar in how it starts then of course in how it ends ...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announce-simplecoincom-buying-bitcoins-became-simple-today-53803

You beat me to the punch!

legendary
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Bitcoin
May 01, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
#63
Is it just me or does this conversation we are currently having sound eerily familiar in how it starts then of course in how it ends ...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announce-simplecoincom-buying-bitcoins-became-simple-today-53803

Any chance you are Darin Stanchfield  ?
sr. member
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May 01, 2012, 11:17:33 AM
#62
Lasse from Bitcoin Nordic here.

I'd like to point out the extreme similarity in looks between www.quickbitcoins.net and www.bitcoinnordic.com

The theme is a publicly available theme, but the interesting thing is that a lot of content has (almost) been copied too. I.e. the splash image, the menu options. It's so close that it's very distasteful.
legendary
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Bitcoin
May 01, 2012, 10:21:15 AM
#61
As mentioned above PayPal will just debit a zero balance and then come after you in court or through a collection agency.

There has been a trail of failed attempts OP we are just giving a heads up that is all.
hero member
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May 01, 2012, 09:51:29 AM
#60

I can vouch for fake-exchange, I used it to get rid of my excess money. Transfered the money and never saw it again. Would highly recommend it.   Cheesy
legendary
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legendary
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Away on an extended break
May 01, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
#58
Let the man do what he likes. I'm fed up trying to dig up old threads that charted the problems faced from start to the end by using PayPal. You'll see an influx of 'buyers' when carders and bot networking people hear of your new site. And the rest would be history.

I just don't want to see members of this forum get screwed if this exchange decides to cover their losses and take the money.

We've all seen it happen before, let's not pretend lol

That wouldn't happen. Seriously Yankee? You don't like my plan so now you attack my character? I thought you of all people were better than that.

The second reason I have kept the maximum so low is because I want to have enough to cover any potential loss. Like I said, at most one transaction is what's gone. The profit I've made so far covers that. No one is going to get screwed. Period.

He is afraid that you might be one of those scammers like this one was :https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65097.0 .  I haven't bothered to look for more as I'm tired now.
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
May 01, 2012, 09:21:50 AM
#57
Let the man do what he likes. I'm fed up trying to dig up old threads that charted the problems faced from start to the end by using PayPal. You'll see an influx of 'buyers' when carders and bot networking people hear of your new site. And the rest would be history.

I just don't want to see members of this forum get screwed if this exchange decides to cover their losses and take the money.

We've all seen it happen before, let's not pretend lol

That wouldn't happen. Seriously Yankee? You don't like my plan so now you attack my character? I thought you of all people were better than that.

The second reason I have kept the maximum so low is because I want to have enough to cover any potential loss. Like I said, at most one transaction is what's gone. The profit I've made so far covers that. No one is going to get screwed. Period.

Stop taking things so personally and being so sensitive.

I'm looking out for my fellow Bitcoiners. No offense to you, but I have no idea who you are. You can be Shakaru, Astana, Atlas, Tom, or anyone one of the scammers.

Nothing against you, but I have other priorities.

I have a moral and legal obligation to look out for my customers, many of whom can easily be scammed or have money stolen from.
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May 01, 2012, 09:14:31 AM
#56
Let the man do what he likes. I'm fed up trying to dig up old threads that charted the problems faced from start to the end by using PayPal. You'll see an influx of 'buyers' when carders and bot networking people hear of your new site. And the rest would be history.

I just don't want to see members of this forum get screwed if this exchange decides to cover their losses and take the money.

We've all seen it happen before, let's not pretend lol

That wouldn't happen. Seriously Yankee? You don't like my plan so now you attack my character? I thought you of all people were better than that.

The second reason I have kept the maximum so low is because I want to have enough to cover any potential loss. Like I said, at most one transaction is what's gone. The profit I've made so far covers that. No one is going to get screwed. Period.
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
May 01, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
#55
Let the man do what he likes. I'm fed up trying to dig up old threads that charted the problems faced from start to the end by using PayPal. You'll see an influx of 'buyers' when carders and bot networking people hear of your new site. And the rest would be history.

I just don't want to see members of this forum get screwed if this exchange decides to cover their losses and take the money.

We've all seen it happen before, let's not pretend lol
legendary
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Away on an extended break
May 01, 2012, 08:16:06 AM
#54
Let the man do what he likes. I'm fed up trying to dig up old threads that charted the problems faced from start to the end by using PayPal. You'll see an influx of 'buyers' when carders and bot networking people hear of your new site. And the rest would be history.
member
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May 01, 2012, 08:10:00 AM
#53

Thats all irrelevant, Paypal will close you down once they suspect your using them to use Bitcoin. Period, no questions asked.

As stated before, we understand this.

And here's the rub. Would you do business with an entity who you know is using another business, no matter how unscrupulous said business may be, to forward their business until another option presents itself to use to further their own business?

Translated: Pretend I operate a new Bitcoin exchange business that will USE PayPal so my clients can purchase bitcoins until PayPal closes me down, at which point I will then have another credit card processor in place until they too close me down, at which point I'll have another in place, etc. At some point during this whole ordeal, I would have amassed many a bitcoin. But now all my accounts are frozen and I need to end this business. Lucky for me I already have a letter written in case such an event takes place. In starts off as follows: From the desk of Phinnaeus Gage,... Now, would you do business with me after I laid all that out beforehand?

~Bruno~


That's not how I laid things out at all. I never said I would jump from processor to processor. I said I would leave PayPal when they froze my account. I have no plans to leave a authorize.net. I've even written them asking if bitcoins is against their TOS. Please note that I expect the account to be frozen for dealing with Bitcoins, not due to chargebacks. At that point if the site volume becomes too large to handle all the manual verification I have plans to make the credit card aspect invite only.  

You're changing what I am saying to make my plan easier to attack. This is called the Straw-man argument. What I cant figure out is why you want this to fail so badly.

You're fuckin kidding me, right? Here we are trying to help you, but you can't figure out why we want you to fail. As far as the Straw-man argument is concern, that is not the case either, albeit you never did state that you would jump from processor to processor. Lets start with the facts then. You will leave PayPal when they freeze your account. Keep zeroing the account every hour on the hour and I say you're good for a few days--at most. A couple months ago, PayPal told my sister that she had to quit the same practice while operating her eBay account, and she was doing it only 4-5 times a day--all ligit transactions. You stated that you're using PayPal until they freeze you out but by then have another processor in place, therefore at the moment you don't have one in place. You wrote to PayPal asking them if bitcoins is against their TOS. Their reply? If you know beforehand that your PayPal account will be frozen in some point of time, why use that service in the first place? Now I ask other question. Why are you so adamant in using PayPal?

Here's a quick story. Once upon a time, a married coupled, let's call them Bruce and Ed, expressed that a great place to hold a convention would be, let's call it Pattaya. All the convention goers tried to convince them that Pattaya was a terrible choice to hold a convention, but they didn't heed the warnings, going so far as to start dissing the so-called naysayers. Long story short, the naysayers were right, and the couple distanced themselves from the group. The happy couple would probably still be part of the group if they hadn't remained steadfast and adamant with their original idea.

~Bruno~


I'm not attempting to "diss" you at all. I haven't suggested anything you have said is "bullshit", called you a scammer, or unprofessional. I'm not sure who is insulting who here.

I also called the new credit card processor, not PayPal.

Look. Like I said before. I appreciate the fact that you are trying to help us here, but I feel as though my plan has addressed all the possible concerns you have raised. If I'm wrong then it's my fault. It's my mistake to make. You get to tell me "haha I told you so" if I lose money on this. I'm not trying to ostracize from the community in any way, shape, or form.  If simply disagreeing with you and making my own mistakes makes that happen then why would I want to be apart of the community in the first place?
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
May 01, 2012, 07:48:26 AM
#52
If you plan on doing this, you'll also need to zero your bank account daily. Paypal WILL get through the block you set up, prior agreements be damned.

I told him that already but he did not listen
legendary
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May 01, 2012, 01:11:16 AM
#51
If you plan on doing this, you'll also need to zero your bank account daily. Paypal WILL get through the block you set up, prior agreements be damned.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
May 01, 2012, 12:49:49 AM
#50
Also, when you transfer money from PayPal to your bank account, PayPal states that the money will arrive in your account in three or four business days. All because you click the send button, doesn't mean that PayPal no longer has control of said funds. Those funds are not sitting inside some copper wire between PayPal's server and your bank. They are going through an approval process.

To be clear, there is no Straw-man argument, real or intended, in this post, nor do I want your business to fail.

legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
May 01, 2012, 12:41:33 AM
#49

Thats all irrelevant, Paypal will close you down once they suspect your using them to use Bitcoin. Period, no questions asked.

As stated before, we understand this.

And here's the rub. Would you do business with an entity who you know is using another business, no matter how unscrupulous said business may be, to forward their business until another option presents itself to use to further their own business?

Translated: Pretend I operate a new Bitcoin exchange business that will USE PayPal so my clients can purchase bitcoins until PayPal closes me down, at which point I will then have another credit card processor in place until they too close me down, at which point I'll have another in place, etc. At some point during this whole ordeal, I would have amassed many a bitcoin. But now all my accounts are frozen and I need to end this business. Lucky for me I already have a letter written in case such an event takes place. In starts off as follows: From the desk of Phinnaeus Gage,... Now, would you do business with me after I laid all that out beforehand?

~Bruno~


That's not how I laid things out at all. I never said I would jump from processor to processor. I said I would leave PayPal when they froze my account. I have no plans to leave a authorize.net. I've even written them asking if bitcoins is against their TOS. Please note that I expect the account to be frozen for dealing with Bitcoins, not due to chargebacks. At that point if the site volume becomes too large to handle all the manual verification I have plans to make the credit card aspect invite only. 

You're changing what I am saying to make my plan easier to attack. This is called the Straw-man argument. What I cant figure out is why you want this to fail so badly.

You're fuckin kidding me, right? Here we are trying to help you, but you can't figure out why we want you to fail. As far as the Straw-man argument is concern, that is not the case either, albeit you never did state that you would jump from processor to processor. Lets start with the facts then. You will leave PayPal when they freeze your account. Keep zeroing the account every hour on the hour and I say you're good for a few days--at most. A couple months ago, PayPal told my sister that she had to quit the same practice while operating her eBay account, and she was doing it only 4-5 times a day--all ligit transactions. You stated that you're using PayPal until they freeze you out but by then have another processor in place, therefore at the moment you don't have one in place. You wrote to PayPal asking them if bitcoins is against their TOS. Their reply? If you know beforehand that your PayPal account will be frozen in some point of time, why use that service in the first place? Now I ask other question. Why are you so adamant in using PayPal?

Here's a quick story. Once upon a time, a married coupled, let's call them Bruce and Ed, expressed that a great place to hold a convention would be, let's call it Pattaya. All the convention goers tried to convince them that Pattaya was a terrible choice to hold a convention, but they didn't heed the warnings, going so far as to start dissing the so-called naysayers. Long story short, the naysayers were right, and the couple distanced themselves from the group. The happy couple would probably still be part of the group if they hadn't remained steadfast and adamant with their original idea.

~Bruno~
donator
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May 01, 2012, 12:34:27 AM
#48
Again, I don't think anybody is trying to attack you.  Maybe Bruno is saying that people who genuinely want to exchange BTC via paypal will not do it with you because they foresee problems with your business model.  You will attract people who will profit from your business.  If I don't want you to lose money, I would tell you to be careful.  If I am looking to profit from your business, I would wait quietly for my turn.  Getting paid with paypal and sending out BTC are both very easy to do.  Try to see why there aren't any successful businesses exchanging BTC with paypal.  Just make sure this is worth your time and don't lose money.
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May 01, 2012, 12:05:04 AM
#47

Thats all irrelevant, Paypal will close you down once they suspect your using them to use Bitcoin. Period, no questions asked.

As stated before, we understand this.

And here's the rub. Would you do business with an entity who you know is using another business, no matter how unscrupulous said business may be, to forward their business until another option presents itself to use to further their own business?

Translated: Pretend I operate a new Bitcoin exchange business that will USE PayPal so my clients can purchase bitcoins until PayPal closes me down, at which point I will then have another credit card processor in place until they too close me down, at which point I'll have another in place, etc. At some point during this whole ordeal, I would have amassed many a bitcoin. But now all my accounts are frozen and I need to end this business. Lucky for me I already have a letter written in case such an event takes place. In starts off as follows: From the desk of Phinnaeus Gage,... Now, would you do business with me after I laid all that out beforehand?

~Bruno~


That's not how I laid things out at all. I never said I would jump from processor to processor. I said I would leave PayPal when they froze my account. I have no plans to leave a authorize.net. I've even written them asking if bitcoins is against their TOS. Please note that I expect the account to be frozen for dealing with Bitcoins, not due to chargebacks. At that point if the site volume becomes too large to handle all the manual verification I have plans to make the credit card aspect invite only. 

You're changing what I am saying to make my plan easier to attack. This is called the Straw-man argument. What I cant figure out is why you want this to fail so badly.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
April 30, 2012, 11:57:55 PM
#46

Thats all irrelevant, Paypal will close you down once they suspect your using them to use Bitcoin. Period, no questions asked.

As stated before, we understand this.

And there's the rub. Would you do business with an entity who you know is using another business, no matter how unscrupulous said business may be, to forward their business until another option presents itself to use to further their own business?

Translated: Pretend I operate a new Bitcoin exchange business that will USE PayPal so my clients can purchase bitcoins until PayPal closes me down, at which point I will then have another credit card processor in place until they too close me down, at which point I'll have another in place, etc. At some point during this whole ordeal, I would have amassed many a bitcoin. But now all my accounts are frozen and I need to end this business. Lucky for me I already have a letter written in case such an event takes place. In starts off as follows: From the desk of Phinnaeus Gage,... Now, would you do business with me after I laid all that out beforehand?

~Bruno~
member
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April 30, 2012, 11:25:22 PM
#45

Thats all irrelevant, Paypal will close you down once they suspect your using them to use Bitcoin. Period, no questions asked.

As stated before, we understand this.
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