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July 25, 2013, 06:33:08 PM


@WebSlicer point your devices  at several different pools for a week or two to get a representative sample of pool payouts . I guess you could use a spreadsheet if you really want to be pedantic.

If you have, or better if I had, 1.5 TH/s I'd go solo, it takes some work to set it up correctly, though.

spiccioli

ps. As you may already know my second choice would be HHTT Smiley

Solo mining?

Pick a pool, any pool. mine for two weeks. Look at how many blocks you found. compare your return for those blocks if your were solo (most likely 0) against how much you made in the pool. go with which ever mode you would make the most money.

With solo mining @ 1.5 TH and current difficulty, you would average slightly less than a block a day (24.1345 BTC/day).  You would have to be tremendously unlucky to find 0 blocks in two weeks.

Oh sure, confuse things with the facts. actually, the suggestion i made was still valid, just not the outcome i expected. Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1904
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July 25, 2013, 05:25:16 PM


@WebSlicer point your devices  at several different pools for a week or two to get a representative sample of pool payouts . I guess you could use a spreadsheet if you really want to be pedantic.

If you have, or better if I had, 1.5 TH/s I'd go solo, it takes some work to set it up correctly, though.

spiccioli

ps. As you may already know my second choice would be HHTT Smiley

Solo mining?

Pick a pool, any pool. mine for two weeks. Look at how many blocks you found. compare your return for those blocks if your were solo (most likely 0) against how much you made in the pool. go with which ever mode you would make the most money.

With solo mining @ 1.5 TH and current difficulty, you would average slightly less than a block a day (24.1345 BTC/day).  You would have to be tremendously unlucky to find 0 blocks in two weeks.
hero member
Activity: 490
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July 25, 2013, 04:47:55 PM


@WebSlicer point your devices  at several different pools for a week or two to get a representative sample of pool payouts . I guess you could use a spreadsheet if you really want to be pedantic.

If you have, or better if I had, 1.5 TH/s I'd go solo, it takes some work to set it up correctly, though.

spiccioli

ps. As you may already know my second choice would be HHTT Smiley

Solo mining?

Pick a pool, any pool. mine for two weeks. Look at how many blocks you found. compare your return for those blocks if your were solo (most likely 0) against how much you made in the pool. go with which ever mode you would make the most money.
legendary
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nec sine labore
July 25, 2013, 08:01:09 AM


@WebSlicer point your devices  at several different pools for a week or two to get a representative sample of pool payouts . I guess you could use a spreadsheet if you really want to be pedantic.

If you have, or better if I had, 1.5 TH/s I'd go solo, it takes some work to set it up correctly, though.

spiccioli

ps. As you may already know my second choice would be HHTT Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 257
Merit: 250
July 25, 2013, 01:59:28 AM


@WebSlicer point your devices  at several different pools for a week or two to get a representative sample of pool payouts . I guess you could use a spreadsheet if you really want to be pedantic.
hero member
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BTCDig - mining pool
July 25, 2013, 12:19:59 AM
OK, im gonna hit 1500GH this weekend. Im thinking about pools again. I like BTCguild. Admin seems cool. Never have any problems with the pool. But my 24 hour earnings is always a few coins less than what mining calculators are estimating. Forgive me if im asking the same questions again but with the difficulty rising i want to make sure im maximizing my return.

DGM vs PPLNS. I know there is a brief explanation in the sticky. I still dont get it. I know DGM is newer. Newer isnt always better but it usually is. I would like to get some opinions. Which method should i go with and why?
Not quite. Both methods proposed approximately at the same time. PPLNS just widely used. In the long term both methods give you the same amount of bitcoins.

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Pool size. Im assuming larger pool means more blocks solved and more BTC. Just want to confirm if this is an accurate assumption. Im assuming it is and thats why BTCguild is the largest pool.
Not quite. More blocks, but your reward from each block is smaller.
You may get some extra coins (less than 0.5%) from transactions fee, but this extra income may devalued due bad uptime for big pools (due overload or DDOS).

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I noticed giga is offering a semi-private pool with 0% fee for people with 200GH. Obviously, 0% vs 3% is better. But what im really wondering is if BTCguild size pay TX reward and orphans will earn more than the 3% fee.
Orphans usually around 1%, current income from TX fee usually also minuscule.

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Solo mining. I hear if you solve a block yourself you get 25 coins per block. This sounds nice. Im wondering if my hashing power is enough to justify solo mining or if i should stick with a pool.
Think about solo as about gambling. You may solve block even on one CPU, but this is very unlikely with current difficulty.
With 1.5TH you have a good chance solve several blocks, but there is no warranty what your income would be bigger than from pool.
legendary
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1NF4xXDDpMVmeazJxJDLrFxuJrCAT7CB1b
July 24, 2013, 09:54:34 PM
OK, im gonna hit 1500GH this weekend. Im thinking about pools again. I like BTCguild. Admin seems cool. Never have any problems with the pool. But my 24 hour earnings is always a few coins less than what mining calculators are estimating. Forgive me if im asking the same questions again but with the difficulty rising i want to make sure im maximizing my return.

DGM vs PPLNS. I know there is a brief explanation in the sticky. I still dont get it. I know DGM is newer. Newer isnt always better but it usually is. I would like to get some opinions. Which method should i go with and why?

Pool size. Im assuming larger pool means more blocks solved and more BTC. Just want to confirm if this is an accurate assumption. Im assuming it is and thats why BTCguild is the largest pool.

I noticed giga is offering a semi-private pool with 0% fee for people with 200GH. Obviously, 0% vs 3% is better. But what im really wondering is if BTCguild size pay TX reward and orphans will earn more than the 3% fee.

Solo mining. I hear if you solve a block yourself you get 25 coins per block. This sounds nice. Im wondering if my hashing power is enough to justify solo mining or if i should stick with a pool.

Thanks for help.
legendary
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Think for yourself
July 22, 2013, 07:42:15 PM
Do all those rejects count as paid orphans?

No, your not paid for rejects, because they were rejected.

Orphans are when a block is found that is not part of the main blockchain and would create a forked chain if they were to be continued to be mined on.  This is cause, I think, mainly when two pools find a solution to the same block in a very close time frame.  Only one can be the real block solver and the other one is orphaned.
Sam
legendary
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July 22, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
Do all those rejects count as paid orphans?
sr. member
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July 22, 2013, 06:49:08 PM
I'm a fan of P2Pool.  I run a P2Pool node, feel free to connect to it, information is in my signature! Smiley
legendary
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Think for yourself
July 22, 2013, 05:45:04 AM
What is rejects/stale/dupe/other on BTCguild dashboard?

Those are the shares that you submit that get rejected for those reasons.

Stale is work submitted for previous blocks or possibly after a certain timeout, Dupe is duplicate work and Other are rejects that don't fall into the first two categories.
legendary
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July 22, 2013, 01:34:02 AM
What is rejects/stale/dupe/other on BTCguild dashboard?
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
July 21, 2013, 01:01:59 AM
#99
Hmm... it's almost like we need a distributed way of breaking up block rewards.

Oh wait, that's p2pool.
Indeed, though it's still not quite ASIC ready, but getting there.

Please don't make blanket statements like that.  People keep repeating them and using you as a source.

Several ASICs do have problems with p2pool, but others do not.  For example, I am mining with 20GH/s of AM USB just fine on p2pool.  With the new 30 second share time, there have been some reports of BFL hardware reaching p2pool efficiency over 100%.
Fine, it's ASIC ready up to a point, just not Avalon ready, though gmaxwell tells me some newer patches may have finally nailed it.

Too much weight is put on the efficiency value from p2pool on its own. On an Avalon I could get 100% efficiency... but at an effective hashrate of 6GH when the device was supposed to be hashing at 80GH.

Thank you.  And now that the "avalon fix" for p2pool is released, does it solve the issue in your opinion?
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
July 19, 2013, 05:48:54 AM
#98
Hmm... it's almost like we need a distributed way of breaking up block rewards.

Oh wait, that's p2pool.
Indeed, though it's still not quite ASIC ready, but getting there.

Please don't make blanket statements like that.  People keep repeating them and using you as a source.

Several ASICs do have problems with p2pool, but others do not.  For example, I am mining with 20GH/s of AM USB just fine on p2pool.  With the new 30 second share time, there have been some reports of BFL hardware reaching p2pool efficiency over 100%.
Fine, it's ASIC ready up to a point, just not Avalon ready, though gmaxwell tells me some newer patches may have finally nailed it.

Too much weight is put on the efficiency value from p2pool on its own. On an Avalon I could get 100% efficiency... but at an effective hashrate of 6GH when the device was supposed to be hashing at 80GH.
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Watch out for the "Neg-Rep-Dogie-Police".....
July 17, 2013, 08:14:20 PM
#97
I thought I was the source........ Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1904
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July 17, 2013, 02:57:42 PM
#96
Hmm... it's almost like we need a distributed way of breaking up block rewards.

Oh wait, that's p2pool.
Indeed, though it's still not quite ASIC ready, but getting there.

Please don't make blanket statements like that.  People keep repeating them and using you as a source.

Several ASICs do have problems with p2pool, but others do not.  For example, I am mining with 20GH/s of AM USB just fine on p2pool.  With the new 30 second share time, there have been some reports of BFL hardware reaching p2pool efficiency over 100%.
-ck
legendary
Activity: 4088
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Ruu \o/
July 17, 2013, 04:08:15 AM
#95
Hmm... it's almost like we need a distributed way of breaking up block rewards.

Oh wait, that's p2pool.
Indeed, though it's still not quite ASIC ready, but getting there.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
July 16, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
#94
Because you can't point that much hashing power at your Bitcoin-QT client.

Why is that? Sounds incredible.

The Bitcoin clients were initially designed to work with CPU mining which was fairly low burden on the client.  But now we have exponentially increased the hashing power with high end GPU's, GPU clusters and now ASIC's and the Bitcoin clients don't/can't scale with that load.

That is one of the main reasons for pools.  Pool Operators have gone through the trouble/cost of developing high performance Bitcoind's and pool server software which if very vertical market type software to keep up with the load and they often have had trouble with the ASIC loads.

So if you want to solo mine with high end ASIC's download some pool software and set it up.  I don't have time for that.

Good Luck with it.
Sam
Not only that, but the bitcoin developers have tried to distance themselves from mining entirely, not adopting the efficient forms of the high performance mining protocols that have evolved around high mining hash rate speeds, instead dissociating the work of mining to others (indirectly pools). While this may seem crazy, it is also indirectly accepting that it is virtually impossible for solo mining to make any sort of reasonable sense any more. I lament this fact, for I still think that all miners should have solo mining as their final backup should all pools fail, as a way to guarantee the bitcoin network remains secure, if not necessarily smoothly/consistently profitable for its miners.

Hmm... it's almost like we need a distributed way of breaking up block rewards.

Oh wait, that's p2pool.
-ck
legendary
Activity: 4088
Merit: 1631
Ruu \o/
July 16, 2013, 04:55:57 PM
#93
Because you can't point that much hashing power at your Bitcoin-QT client.

Why is that? Sounds incredible.

The Bitcoin clients were initially designed to work with CPU mining which was fairly low burden on the client.  But now we have exponentially increased the hashing power with high end GPU's, GPU clusters and now ASIC's and the Bitcoin clients don't/can't scale with that load.

That is one of the main reasons for pools.  Pool Operators have gone through the trouble/cost of developing high performance Bitcoind's and pool server software which if very vertical market type software to keep up with the load and they often have had trouble with the ASIC loads.

So if you want to solo mine with high end ASIC's download some pool software and set it up.  I don't have time for that.

Good Luck with it.
Sam
Not only that, but the bitcoin developers have tried to distance themselves from mining entirely, not adopting the efficient forms of the high performance mining protocols that have evolved around high mining hash rate speeds, instead dissociating the work of mining to others (indirectly pools). While this may seem crazy, it is also indirectly accepting that it is virtually impossible for solo mining to make any sort of reasonable sense any more. I lament this fact, for I still think that all miners should have solo mining as their final backup should all pools fail, as a way to guarantee the bitcoin network remains secure, if not necessarily smoothly/consistently profitable for its miners.
legendary
Activity: 3583
Merit: 1094
Think for yourself
July 16, 2013, 04:44:31 PM
#92
Because you can't point that much hashing power at your Bitcoin-QT client.

Why is that? Sounds incredible.

The Bitcoin clients were initially designed to work with CPU mining which was fairly low burden on the client.  But now we have exponentially increased the hashing power with high end GPU's, GPU clusters and now ASIC's and the Bitcoin clients don't/can't scale with that load.

That is one of the main reasons for pools.  Pool Operators have gone through the trouble/cost of developing high performance Bitcoind's and pool server software which is very vertical market type software to keep up with the load and they often have had trouble with the ASIC loads.

So if you want to solo mine with high end ASIC's download some pool software and set it up.  I don't have time for that.

Good Luck with it.
Sam
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