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legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1001
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July 12, 2013, 12:43:02 PM
#31
So does HD speed with PSpool matter or not? Why would it? Avalon is not connected to my desktop its using wifi.

Im using samsung pro SSD in raid 0.
legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1098
Think for yourself
July 12, 2013, 12:41:54 PM
#30
Interesting, thanks for the tip. This is why i ask questions. Do you know why P2pool doesnt work well with avalons?

P2Pool mines against your local Bitcoind and that doesn't supply work to an Avalon fast enough.  My local Bitcoin-QT client doesn't even supply work to a Block Erupter fast enough.

You need faster disks.  I'm running 61 USB block erupters (equivalent chips to 2 BE blades) on p2pool with getblocktemplate latencies below 0.1 seconds and an overall efficiency of 111% (I earn 11% more because my node is faster than other nodes).

How fast of a disk do I need?  I have a 1TB SATA drive.

I think you put your finger on it for me though, your using GBT and I'm using getwork to my client so that probably makes a huge difference.
Sam

So you're not using p2pool, yet running around making claims it won't work? Roll Eyes

In never said, nor meant to imply it wouldn't work.  Just not well.  But basically yes I'm making an uninformed claim.

The guide I linked above recommends SSD drives.  Personally, I'm using a RAID 10 array of 7200 RPM disks.  The size of the disk doesn't have much to do with it's speed.  What matters for this application is the RPMs since you need very fast seek times (which is why SSDs work well, they never have seek delays).

Mine is a 7200 RPM disk, but just a single drive.  I'm sure the protocol makes a huge difference in performance.
SAm
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
July 12, 2013, 12:35:59 PM
#29
Interesting, thanks for the tip. This is why i ask questions. Do you know why P2pool doesnt work well with avalons?

P2Pool mines against your local Bitcoind and that doesn't supply work to an Avalon fast enough.  My local Bitcoin-QT client doesn't even supply work to a Block Erupter fast enough.

You need faster disks.  I'm running 61 USB block erupters (equivalent chips to 2 BE blades) on p2pool with getblocktemplate latencies below 0.1 seconds and an overall efficiency of 111% (I earn 11% more because my node is faster than other nodes).

How fast of a disk do I need?  I have a 1TB SATA drive.

I think you put your finger on it for me though, your using GBT and I'm using getwork to my client so that probably makes a huge difference.
Sam

So you're not using p2pool, yet running around making claims it won't work? Roll Eyes

The guide I linked above recommends SSD drives.  Personally, I'm using a RAID 10 array of 7200 RPM disks.  The size of the disk doesn't have much to do with it's speed.  What matters for this application is the RPMs since you need very fast seek times (which is why SSDs work well, they never have seek delays).
legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1098
Think for yourself
July 12, 2013, 12:34:22 PM
#28
What about Eligius? Claims to be 0% fee and with 'shelved' shares approached zero fee PPS.
I hear people dont like PPS no more.

?? 50BTC is 3rd largest pool, 3% PPS.

I'm a people and I don't like PPS anymore because of the negative impact on pools.  Pools can go into the negative very fast and go bankrupt very easy if they aren't careful.

But I'm most likely in the minority since many other "people" could care less if their pool goes bankrupt.
Sam
legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1098
Think for yourself
July 12, 2013, 12:31:24 PM
#27
Interesting, thanks for the tip. This is why i ask questions. Do you know why P2pool doesnt work well with avalons?

P2Pool mines against your local Bitcoind and that doesn't supply work to an Avalon fast enough.  My local Bitcoin-QT client doesn't even supply work to a Block Erupter fast enough.

You need faster disks.  I'm running 61 USB block erupters (equivalent chips to 2 BE blades) on p2pool with getblocktemplate latencies below 0.1 seconds and an overall efficiency of 111% (I earn 11% more because my node is faster than other nodes).

How fast of a disk do I need?  I have a 1TB SATA drive.

I think you put your finger on it for me though, your using GBT and I'm using getwork to my client so that probably makes a huge difference.
Sam
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
July 12, 2013, 12:27:08 PM
#26
What about Eligius? Claims to be 0% fee and with 'shelved' shares approached zero fee PPS.
I hear people dont like PPS no more.

?? 50BTC is 3rd largest pool, 3% PPS.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
July 12, 2013, 12:24:01 PM
#25
What about Eligius? Claims to be 0% fee and with 'shelved' shares approached zero fee PPS.
I hear people dont like PPS no more.


You need faster disks.  
What are disks?

Hard drives.  To run a p2pool node (or any bitcoind based mining setup), you need either a SSD drive or a RAID array if you want to stick with spinning disks.

Check out this guide if you are interested in a positive p2pool experience: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a-guide-for-mining-efficiently-on-p2pool-includes-fud-repellent-and-faq-153232
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1001
1NF4xXDDpMVmeazJxJDLrFxuJrCAT7CB1b
July 12, 2013, 12:21:52 PM
#24
What about Eligius? Claims to be 0% fee and with 'shelved' shares approached zero fee PPS.
I hear people dont like PPS no more.


You need faster disks.  
What are disks?
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
July 12, 2013, 12:19:40 PM
#23
Interesting, thanks for the tip. This is why i ask questions. Do you know why P2pool doesnt work well with avalons?

P2Pool mines against your local Bitcoind and that doesn't supply work to an Avalon fast enough.  My local Bitcoin-QT client doesn't even supply work to a Block Erupter fast enough.

You need faster disks.  I'm running 61 USB block erupters (equivalent chips to 2 BE blades) on p2pool with getblocktemplate latencies below 0.1 seconds and an overall efficiency of 111% (I earn 11% more because my node is faster than other nodes).
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
July 12, 2013, 12:12:49 PM
#22
DGM eclipse, OZcoin, pitparking, or maxbtc?

What about Eligius? Claims to be 0% fee and with 'shelved' shares approached zero fee PPS.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1001
1NF4xXDDpMVmeazJxJDLrFxuJrCAT7CB1b
July 12, 2013, 12:10:38 PM
#21
DGM eclipse, OZcoin, pitparking, or maxbtc?
legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1098
Think for yourself
July 12, 2013, 12:09:06 PM
#20
Interesting, thanks for the tip. This is why i ask questions. Do you know why P2pool doesnt work well with avalons?

P2Pool mines against your local Bitcoind and that doesn't supply work to an Avalon fast enough.  My local Bitcoin-QT client doesn't even supply work to a Block Erupter fast enough.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
July 12, 2013, 11:52:32 AM
#19
Interesting, thanks for the tip. This is why i ask questions. Do you know why P2pool doesnt work well with avalons?

It is the short share time combined with the high latency of that particular hardware.  The new version will extend the share time from 10 to 30 seconds, which should make Avalons (and other ASICs) perform decently.  But before the change can happen, we need to have 95% of the hashing power on the new codebase.  At that point, the share chain will hardfork and p2pool will be ASIC heaven.  Could be today, could be 2 weeks.  It all depends on people upgrading or new users joining up with the latest version.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1001
1NF4xXDDpMVmeazJxJDLrFxuJrCAT7CB1b
July 12, 2013, 11:47:37 AM
#18
Interesting, thanks for the tip. This is why i ask questions. Do you know why P2pool doesnt work well with avalons?
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
July 12, 2013, 11:44:43 AM
#17
Ive been considering DGM pitparking, eclipse, maxbtc with 0% fee.

DGM OZcoin has charges 1% but they are the only DGM pool that pays TX reward. Wondering whats the better deal 0% fee with no TX reward or 1% fee with TX reward.

Also considering PPLNS P2pool with 0% and pay TX reward.

Apparently avalons and p2pool don't work well together, yet.
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1001
1NF4xXDDpMVmeazJxJDLrFxuJrCAT7CB1b
July 12, 2013, 11:42:52 AM
#16
Ive been considering DGM pitparking, eclipse, maxbtc with 0% fee.

DGM OZcoin has charges 1% but they are the only DGM pool that pays TX reward. Wondering whats the better deal 0% fee with no TX reward or 1% fee with TX reward.

Also considering PPLNS P2pool with 0% and pay TX reward.
legendary
Activity: 1379
Merit: 1003
nec sine labore
July 12, 2013, 02:29:22 AM
#15
Web slicer,

if your're looking for a pool with high availability, resilient, which pays PPLNS with a very low fee (you have avalons, so you can mine there with difficulty 512 or even more) AND gives you half of the block fees of the blocks you find, then without further ado point your miners to HHTT.

You'll be one of a few selected miners enjoying the emazing no frills pool we all suckers have come to love.

Smiley

spiccioli
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
July 11, 2013, 06:15:33 PM
#14
If you have a fast connection and good disks, mine on p2pool.
legendary
Activity: 3586
Merit: 1098
Think for yourself
July 11, 2013, 06:13:01 PM
#13
I think i should start by figuring out which method i should mine with. DGM, PPLNS, PPS, proportional. Any suggestions?

I will never do PPS again.  It has caused serious damage to good pools and has caused some pools to go completely bankrupt.

I like DGM on Ozcoin I seem to do really well with it.  BTC Guild is a very good pool so I guess I don't mind PPLNS.  There are threads on these forums that explain the theory of operation for these payout methods.
Sam
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
BTCDig - mining pool
July 11, 2013, 11:19:59 AM
#12
I think i should start by figuring out which method i should mine with. DGM, PPLNS, PPS, proportional. Any suggestions?

DGM or PPLNS.
PPS - only if you need instant payments and simple calculation, but with high pool commission (5-7.5%).
proportional - vulnerable from pool-hopping attack, not recommended.
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