Topic: help out some sources and source applications THX in advance. (Read 1167 times)

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You could always try a MS application.... as a dedicated member of the forum.....??

Awesome idea!
When I am out of sMerits I struggle to keep track of merits, I might save on a pocket (bookmarking web extension) or a text file to be merited later when I rack some merits, but being a very impractical way of keeping track of merit worth posts, I seldom find myself forgetting to merits, or remembering too late and not being able to find the actual post again.
Such a similar button could signal MS or users with abundance of sMerits stash some worth merits.
It could also be a more effective way to auto signal posts to merit later.

Ideally I would to on a page that would say something like this:


I am not a merit source myself and all my sMerits are sourced via post writing. I usually have periods when I write a lot (like last weeks) and I gather merits, because I have little time to do treasure hunts for good posts to spend them. On the opposite when I write less I have much time to find good posts, but having less merits inflow I usually deplete my stash fairly quickly.
That button would be helpful to mitigate that temporal imbalance too.

could be a good idea actually ....


This thread is mostly made so Theymos can see that there are sources that just feels like they can help to distribute more merits into the forum, like some are active every day, I know I am and a few others.... This just means with not many MS's that there (our) supply could be increased, I know I could easily send out my stash X3 or X4 times, and with "free helping out" and "enjoying helping out" it would just be a normal act to increase our stashes....

I don't know how Theymos feels about the number of MS's but a few more could also work I think....

There are a lot of pending merit source applications, and only theymos can act on them, what this means it's that we can only wait till he feels the need to do so.i believe he has a particular number of merits sources he wants to have on the forum, or he has already designated how many merits sources he would add to the list within x period of time, it's his call.

We can only help by making threads like this one to draw his attention, as well as moving links of good posts to the report to merit sources thread, I'm sure theymos knows what he's doing trying to balance the amount of merits that are circulated.

Just to give my support to all the waiting applications.
Recently bumped into some good newbie posts but I'm also out of smerit and browsing from a mobile phone which is pain in the (you know what, we really need the epochtalk implementation soon) so posting the link to the report to merit source thread is just too much to do. So I skip them with a hope that some of you guys will do your job and find those.

We really need a suggest for meriting button to list the good posts directly in Report to MS thread.

I'm still available to distribute a few more Merits!
While I'm not a Merit source I'm collecting some posts here but I wouldn't mind if theymos makes me a Merit source of course. 

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In addition, we have seen a new Merit all-time low in September!


Source: Bitcointalk MeritDashboard

*Small bump, maybe to take in consideration it might be good to look at the source merits...... Thanks

(If the times not yet there, NP, just a small reminder we got out of sendables pretty fast.... always need to wait around 15 days to start replenishing again)

The drama is OK, I would support your application as well.... but especially for contributing members that are very often online ad the forum it would be easy to have more merit to award to good members/posts etc as being out of Smerit all the time, I think to have an OK allocation but still i'm out all the time and its a bit of F***ed up, cause a better merit distribution is needed, and I know for myself I don't hoard or miss-use merit at any time, so for that reason I do think a call for increase should be answered as i'm not an dishonest forum user of any kind, and I think more people will feel this way.

I think to double and triple some user allocation will do good for a further merit distribution, of-course the real big sources probably not in need for more maybe as a members still need to be able of sending them all out, as we know don't let merit go to waste is important as well, but for myself I know I can easily use more as i'm very often online and am always short...

In Croatian section of the forum I started this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zbirni-topic-za-davanje-merita-za-kvalitetne-postove-i-za-korisne-informacije-4265795
Basically, all Croatian users can report there good quality posts, which they wrote or someone else, and others can reward such good posts with merits.
I'm only merit source in Croatian section at the moment and often don't have enough merits for everybody so any additional merit source is very appreciated.

Indeed to translate every single post = madness also translation isn't always very solid especially when people talking their own local language with different dialect etc

Sorry, I meant to check out boards or child-boards you don't usually visit, I don't think it makes much sense to visit local language boards if you have to keep using Google Translate (or a similar tool) to understand what people are discussing.

I would love to be able to distribute more merits amongst the local sections, as I feel they are in general under merited. However, it is incredibly time consuming (and rather headache inducing) to translate entire threads or boards with a machine translator and work through them trying to find a good post or two. I was following cabalism13's thread on unmerited Filipino posts (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/full-list-of-undermeritedunmerited-posts-pilipinas-5137597), but unfortunately it's not been updated in a while. Does anyone know of any other similar threads in other languages?

I could also do with some more source merits tbh, I used to have more (250, I think) but I wasn't always using them up so I think that's why it was reduced, and now I'm unable to merit all posts that are worthy of merit (of those that I read through). I noticed I wasn't the only one on the merit source list to be donwgraded.

BTW, if someone always keeps having leftover source merits and not using them up try venturing into other sections once in a while, sometimes interesting threads/posts/discussions can be found.

Nice initiative. 

And yes, I wouldn't say no if theymos asks me to distribute some sMerit. 


Sometimes I'm quite busy and most days of the week I'm online only during the evening hours due to study work, but it wouldn't be a problem for me to spend at least the double amount of sMerit I'm distributing right now. There are always good posts like in Beginners and Help where I would like to drop a few.

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You would be a good Merit source for sure!
If you feel so, please apply, you have my support! Don't be discouraged if the same alts as usual are spamming your application thread. That's normal and if they keep trolling you've done something right. 

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Have you tried to keep track of this topic: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source
It might be worth a look.
Unfortunately, there's some Merit begging recentely (the original idea was to link posts of other users if you're out of sMerit) but a few members are still linking good content.

@theymos, help us out let us contribute more ... for free in our free time

Btw, people asking to help more, ain’t easy to find these days    (BTC what a great and helpfull community)

Getting late... into HODLsleep, hope we get heard in here.

I presume you meant smerits, like how merit sources get monthly allocation without it affecting their total merit number. i.e userA who is obviously a merit source can send just smerits to userB for redistribution. If that's what you mean then it would be nice to experiment on it but if you meant merit, I don't think there's anything wrong with sending merit to reputed or other merit sources (that's if you won't be active that period) so they can have more smerits to circulate as far the post been awarded are quality ones.

@Jet If you want to be able to transfer it, then there should be a public register for all the transfers, so potential abusers can be spotted easily.
There shall be also restrictions to whom you can transfer them. Probably a person who have received at least 100 merit from other people (excludin the merit you sent to him) and who has max 5 smerit.

Potentially transferring to already existing merit sources might be a good option. Whether, we allow merit sources to see what each merit source has left, anyone who is consistently rewarded merits, and running out then transferring to them might be a good idea.  I would probably avoid transferring it to anyone though.

I've started to award merits in 5s for some posts.

I did suggest that it might be worth allowing merit sources to transfer a few merits to reputable members who could then award them. I think this could be useful for some of the local non-English boards. This idea didn't seem to be too popular though.

I did not apply for merit source so far, but sometimes I see very good posts that deserve to get some merits, and it would be nice to merit them. I try save few merits for such posts, especially when it comes to members who have lower ranks. Because of that it is almost impossible to merit some very good or excellent posts from Legendary members.

I am in [TOP-200]The most generous users giving merits, and if Theymos need some new merit sources this is good place to look for them.

I support the applications. I'm also considering to apply one day, as last days (months) quite often I ran out of sMerit, and there are some people deserving to get merit, when I have the possibility I report them to a Merit source.
I know that with every application comes a drama so that's why i haven't done it yet. Anyway if there is a need for more sources, I'll trow my hat in the ring.
I have almost 100 days online in the forum for almost 2 years now so I can say that I've spent quite some time in the forum, here is my sent merit history (thanks to Vod and BPIP) with 564 merit sent
Again this is just in case more sources are needed, I would love to avoid all the drama attached to an application.

I encounter running out of Merit Source merits for around a quarter to a third of the days in a month, turning to my personal merits on those occasions (instead of running a v 2.0 of 250 profiles merited (by me) in 1 hour and 2 minutes – What’s got over me?). My awarding habits are in the ones for the most, to make them last, awarding two in more exceptional cases. 

I second this view: merits should be sent to interesting posts, regardless of who wrote this and, theoretically, even if we disagree with the actual content of the posts. This in Theymos intentions, but I reckon this last bit is more difficult to do so.

Only bias I have:  I lean toward meriting less what I should members I know they hoard smerits.

No indeed, I wouldn't do that neither, but sometimes its appropriate to higher merit some good members instead of higher meriting a newbie...
Of the older establish members we know they here to stay and to contribute to the place as well and circulate the gained merits they received ....
I wouldn't recommend continuously sending out 50merit etc, but when you do, just do it to a member that will recent the gained merit with care, so for example a source has a holiday or no internet or busy RL stuff for X-amount of time, then he could send out some merit to just some other members that will be on the forum at his absent, I mostly not completely off from here, but I do think some guys could be.

I just think for the sources that easily empty their bag and absolutely don't mis use their merit its just right to increase their allocation.

I hope this thread is taking serious and we get some more to work with.

I've exhausted my merit pool this month, but that's because I'm starting to adopt a increased spending policy. I'll usually reward high amounts for exceptional posts more often now. Whereas before I wouldn't even think to spend 15, I've done that a few times already this month. Luckily, I get 19 merit back today!

Have you considered sending more per post? Theymos recommends you empty your source:
I don't really agree with this though: it wouldn't look good to to just dump 50 Merit on a Newbie with one post, but doubling or tripping the amount per post would make sense if that's what you need to empty your source.

Indeed it must be controlled for abuse, but double triple amounts could work very well IMO

Especially for the very active sources....

Also if their is thought of abuse or not good behavior from sources.... Then they could be released from there duty so why not give it a try I think it Will do good.

I think I can help you emptying that bag.

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I think more than 90 sent merits without being a MS is a remarkable result. Good work 1miau

No doubt we do, I have come to understand it's time for an increase although when you speak about some sources allowing their allocations to go to waste I doubt that to be true but if it's then theymos should reduce their allocations and hand it over to others who can manage those allocations in distributing them properly.

About the management strategy you spoke off, I did employ that and notice it doesn't only limit number of post you can merit but limits post reading capacity as I subconsciously intend to concentrate more on quality topics to search for questions replys. For the past 15 days I have been relying on earned smerits.

In as much as we request for an increase in smerit circulation through merit sources allocations it shouldn't be in excessive or uncontrollable form to avoid abuses.


You can employ the services of other sources with fewer allocation by meriting their quality threads to enable them have more smerits to distribute instead of letting them go to waste.

I feel really bad as I always seem to have around 200 sMerits to award, In fact I've had a few difficulties recently, so I'm up to about 250 at the moment. Maybe I'm too strict in applying my rules for good posting behaviour. It isn't very often that I open threads with all caps titles, and it is rare for me to read a reply that quotes the OP in full, or includes a quote pyramid, or a redundant image. I'm also trying to avoid meriting "meta" type posts, as I hope this forum will increase its Bitcoin and crypto, political and economic discussions.

I don't read what I consider to be low level posts. These are topics such as " Should Trump have a haircut", or the old repeated discussion such as " Is Bitcoin better than Gold". Maybe I'm getting too heavily involved in Brexit and the deep state, and I don't understand why the banking elite are trying to shove The US under a bus, maybe they just want a war so that they can lose all its toxic debt. If I can settle down somewhere on Sunday, then I'll have a 5 sMerit awarding day, and see if I can reduce my merit bag. It does take quite a bit of time to scan through a load of threads and posts, so please keep replies down to a reasonable length with good quality information in them. Formatting is a bad idea, as I usually ski over such posts.

1miau and Alex_Sr  for sure would be some nice ones and will fit fully for Sources.
Both have my support for this .

Indeed and Alex_Sr and 1miau would be two good ones to start with....

And just for us existing sources I think we do whats expected and just could do better.....

As I said before and continue saying, I don't hoard merit and I don't let merit go to waste, as I'm always out and i'm a dailey forum user so I will keep distributing as best as I can


Movie time now 

 

What you’re doing is a good idea & obviously really helpful for noobs to get noticed who sometimes possibly won’t even have their posts read due to their rank. I definitely think a source merit increase would be positive for some of us who need it.

I ask that users post links to at least two posts that are “good” that they have written so I can review them to receive merit from me. I often have submissions with much more than 2 examples of merit deserving posts, however due to a lack of merit, I often give out 1-2 merit per submission to my thread, meaning I often will end up giving out less than one merit per post.

    Yes, I think increasing the source allocation to those who are using it up, and are distributing it to good posts, should get a bit of an increase. Also, we could use a couple more good merit sources. Even with the increase, I do not suspect account farmers and spammers are going to get too much love.

So I think with everyone in here that my topic isn't really unreasonable.... and an increase to sources would be healthy right??

   Wow, you exhaust your source merit and only give out one at a time? That is a great deal of reading and rewarding! I give out 2 at a time and with the smerit that I earn, I only tend to run out every once in a while. I'm not certain that I am capable of meriting 500+ individual posts per month. You are a true merit cycling legend.
    BTW, if theymos is taking into consideration whether to up certain individual's source merit, I personally think that I am in the Goldilocks zone.

Aaaah ow sorry if, but still if someone else feels so then this line still apply

This is what, I’m dealing with -

(I would really like a much higher source allowance).

Allow me to add data on users in this topic from Most generous recent merit senders:
560: LoyceV
266: micgoossens
226: ETFbitcoin
169: LFC_Bitcoin
152: o_e_l_e_o
106: nutildah
97: 1miau
88: Quickseller
72 or lower: Alex_Sr (not in the Top 50)

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I've added myself to the list too. I'm one spot above bones261, while I know he has a larger source amount. In January, mine was increased from 200 to 400 sMerit. This topic makes me realize once more that's a luxurious position to be in
At the increase, I expected I'd have to give more than 1 Merit per post to empty it, but I'm still giving just 1 most of the time. I do merit more posts though.
If I'm "slacking" for just a few days, there's a huge amount piling up that feels like my duty to quickly distribute. I've been working hard to get "my own stash" down, it peaked at 560 recently, and is now down to 477.

I do that on my mobile And I often post my own name from mobile to use Maggiordome to summon myself to Merit a post. I've considered applying my Mobile to be a source too, I think hilariousetc did that too.

Wait, hold on, I think you misunderstood my post. I was not criticizing you or anyone else. I was just surprised that so many merit sources were expressing a desire to get more source merits. That is all.

Let me say something very simple

d_eddie for example is a very good, useful, estlblisht member.... so let say he makes a good contributing post, the I would say when you're a source, then its your duty to merit a member as him and probably 2-3-or 4 or something....

Why?

Cause this way he can rank up and he is a proven contributing member with a very clear and right opinion to judge where to recent his received merit, so this way he can help out as well.....

*this name is one of the many undermerited members of the forum....

And not cause something is worthless to you it doesn't mean its worthless to someone else

Yeah I do think we can manage to keep those who doesn't deserve merit out of merit, but I do believe we must be the system that circulate merit through other Legendary or establisht members so they as well can keep working as they do..... we just need to avoid sending to wrong members and I think we do a good job and we should be heard over this matter to keep doing a good job and keep this place healthy, new and old members need to be awarded with merit, exactly as o_e_l_e_o said..... he can often not send merit to some older accounts or legendary cause he must make a decision of sending them or newer members, and this issue cannot be a problem as we need and want a healthy merit circulation!

o_e_l_e_o and me for example have received a lot of merit and we are continuously out of source as personal merit, that just means we need more to complete out task in the forum

I do hope we get heard and get somekind of help from theymos .....

I don't ask for much, but if a person wants to help out and does the job he needs to do good.... then I hope this issue isn't gonna be a problem, help us out when you got some time to do so, Thx

I am surprised that so many sources are complaining that their merit stash is not enough to merit more merit worthy posts.
I have never tried to find any official figures but I always thought that those stashes were much higher since I have seen users awarding 3-4 or more merits per post. Even I was lucky enough to get 4 at one time a few days ago. I guess it depends.

Possibly the first time I’ve agreed or sided with you in a while but I do think it’d be really good for the forum as a whole if current Merit Sources had their source merit income increased, possibly doubled or even trebled. I simply do not have enough to go around.

I’m glad I’m not a Newbie now, I can probably count on one hand the amount of noobs who have managed to make Senior Member.

I often have zero merit, source and personal. I almost always am able to spend my merit quickly after I receive it. I also currently have a backlog of submissions on my merit giveaway thread due to a lack of merit to give out (I haven’t reviewed them yet because of this reason).

Yeah also as a source I feel somehow its not that bad to send out 2 merits so the receiving party gain a Sm as well
Sources just shouldn't feel like they haven't got enough merit to send, I think if we do some good jobs to the forum and send our merit with good care/intentions we should get some more, as we only wanna do good to the place.... and non of us as far as I know are merit misusers of any kind....

 

Me too, I spend mine way too quickly & more often that not have 0 available to send to people who have made good posts that I’d really like to Merit.

Spending my last two sMerits within this post as I'm not good at hoarding them. Whenever I get some, I like to spend it on someone worthy of it as well. I, second too that merit source should be increased.

Yeah, I do want as well... as I never stack own earned merits.... I instant use them as well cause thats what there for 

But with all exhausted airdrops and many users to merit I think we could use Some increase of source merits.

Yeah me too! I would merit your post but I am also out of source merits and want to save my stash for people with, well, less earned merits than me, for starters. I started out with a piddly amount of monthly source merits. Its a special day when I see one pop up when I go to send a merit. I'm thinking about hoarding them all till the 1st so I know when they expire again.

I spend the majority of the month with 0 source merits, and spending largely from my own supply, which is usually sitting in the single digits. I often find myself deliberately rationing my sMerits so I have some to award in the coming days. I am also very aware that since I quite like to merit lower ranked members, I end up skipping over very good posts by more established members, which I would ideally like to merit as well.

If theymos is adjusting source allocations, I would like to humbly request an increase.

I think the forum could use a few more sources and Alex_Sr and 1miau would fit the job as I think they are contributing at the moment with their posts, and probably they would take there source responsibility serious ....
They both are very regular and I think dailey forum user as I am too, thats always a good point as well I think...

As I do think some sources let merit go to waste... and also many legendary are through there airdrops and be most of the times out of Smerits as well.

So imo I think sources could use an increase of Smerits as well, I do like to merit a newer member where it fits, but I also like to merit members with high activity (establish't true BTCtalk members)  to help them to rank up, off-course on somewhat good posts or with some good effort to be on the spot with things....  As long as a member is here with right intentions and willing to learn they can earn merit (not all of us are tech scientist), so when someone is helping the space its good! But I feel that some sources probably get exhausted quickly and I for one will not let a single merit go to waste!

Legendary sometimes not gain merit cause they already are Legendary, though sometimes they like to earn as well cause it points out they are respected and they just like to earn as well for there work in the space...

From my first source merits I was out in I think 15 days or something, I thought to divide them over the month so I get everyday same Smerit to send, but then again I saw that wasn't the right way.... When I read something that's OT or good for other people to read etc then I just need to send out a merit no matter if i'm gonna get exhausted or not.

We have a good community on BTCtalk and many good members that like to earn some merit, as a earned merit stands for being good contributing to this space, so please give us a few more sources as the ones who asking for it at the moment (they just are good to help imo) and increase a few sources, I hate the second half of the month being dry and lesser able to send some out....

Thx Micg an BTCtalk original member that likes to help where he can!!