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legendary
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I looked at eseayan's PM from minerjones and it is legitimate, and from the real minerjones. It matches what eseayan posted earlier.

Here is the PM being verified:

The scammer did not controlled my XMR wallet, because I sent about 200 XMR to escrow address from my CEX account, which is secure and protected by Google Authenticator.

The escrow address is from the massage that escrow-man sent to me on August 28. Here is the massage:

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Hello-

Happy to assist for the transaction.
Amount: 196 XMR
Donation: 1.96 XMR
Total to send: 197.96 XMR
Address: 45gtrfipMYeYZ9ZRRLN4XKG5q2tiT7HUdSvqn5LUs5V3WmHSnQYHpF6ReaY1U2uGJfMo6QpP5zmS1gT hEASRcHdx3KZkDK6

Once funds have been sent and confirmed, please use "reply to all" to let us know the txid of the payment.
After this, items can be shipped to the buyer.
When buyer receives items in good standing and reports back, I can release funds to the seller.

Thank you,
minerjones

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

August 28 2021 minerjones escrow between Rajubhusal and eseayan for the amount of 196 XMR using address 45gtrfipMYeYZ9ZRRLN4XKG5q2tiT7HUdSvqn5LUs5V3WmHSnQYHpF6ReaY1U2uGJfMo6QpP5zmS1gT hEASRcHdx3KZkDK6 in exchange for Lealana XMR silver coin set
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.1.13
Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto

wsBcBAABCgAGBQJhKhsKAAoJEIRUCAKscQ+OAscH/ijZxiI3i9nKXHbBRb46IgJJ
eX4NzXc90zeKEFkAc5lNf1e+yIQYQIhyR+7ZYYQVVTzoifaXeVyvIhhLyd2ROy0w
S21NpWxOPyh/FnZXnqi4cUn2ZO0wt8v1MyRRpPPXM9b/oEKAz0n8ZtOYmBfCRMYN
z5r/r62hscWizx2d7b7kE+xRRq9zp+wTdm9jtKP114PE5Y9HBZf+iUbsH92j7ST4
74BPh4FURCEBDDLybcXmwCsS58wZOlrYdktwHGWnXRPz0UihF3lJeUeqEXxDBsCw
3U7ja3IB+buDSWFhh5Qako/XUDTb5aSt2pJP5Q53IBbhnZPJsNgs7WfoTU6Iug4=
=svfC
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

https://ibb.co/FqtTHvK

However, since the contents are the same, the signed message still doesn't verify with minerjones' keybase.

LoyceV and MoparMining feel free to double-check.
member
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You'd have to agree to let a well-trusted member of the forum have access to your Bitcointalk account to verify the contents of the PM. I could do this for you if you like, there's probably some others like LoyceV, or you could have a global mod do it, though it might take a while to get their attention.
Feel free to PM me.
PMed.
legendary
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You'd have to agree to let a well-trusted member of the forum have access to your Bitcointalk account to verify the contents of the PM. I could do this for you if you like, there's probably some others like LoyceV, or you could have a global mod do it, though it might take a while to get their attention.
Feel free to PM me.
member
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Thanks for your help. I agree to let a well-trusted member of the forum have access to my Bitcointalk account to verify the contents of the PM. You and MoparMiningLLC are both Legendary and have good reputation. I chose to trust you. You can both access. Please tell me how do it.

I just sent you a PM with instructions.
sent you a PM, please check it.

EDIT:
MoparMiningLLC: I sent you a PM, too. Please check it.
legendary
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Thanks for your help. I agree to let a well-trusted member of the forum have access to my Bitcointalk account to verify the contents of the PM. You and MoparMiningLLC are both Legendary and have good reputation. I chose to trust you. You can both access. Please tell me how do it.

I just sent you a PM with instructions.
member
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I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rajubhusal-2300231

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.



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At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man

You said your account was hacked right? it doesnt take a genius to figure out it was this Raj guy who did it and took a DM and used it against you.

You should have checked with Escrow, me or anyone else on the forum, or posted in your thread at least that "something" was off or different. Kind of basic knowledge in life before sending a random stranger a few hundered XMR!

Instead you assumed and took his word for it, and in turn accused me of stealing your coins.

SMH

*** oh and id never say "Cheers"

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You said your account was hacked right? it doesnt take a genius to figure out it was this Raj guy who did it and took a DM and used it against you.
His massage to pretend to be you is sent on August 23. It is August 29 to found out my bitcointalk account is hacked and linked email address is changed.

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Instead you assumed and took his word for it, and in turn accused me of stealing your coins.
I do not accuse you. I even do not infer your name or even MJ's name before this problem becomes clear. Sorry for that.

You claim to have made a new account on August 30th, but the account shows it was created on November 23rd 2020, can you explain this and why you said this was your brand new account after being "hacked"?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/aseayan-2885681

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/aseayan-2885681;sa=showPosts

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I AM eseayan, and this is my new account . MY account is hacked in the weekend.  I just fonud it in Monday when I come back to work. I locked the old account.

Please stop the deal  until the admin complete unlock it.

eseayan( aseayan)


ps . here is password changed infomation in my email.

"Dear eseayan,

Your Bitcoin Forum ([Suspicious link removed] to [email protected] by IP address 216.131.109.10. If you did not do this, then you can visit the following link within 14 days in order to lock the account:"

Can help me to verify how the scammer fake the massage that MJ sent to me? Is the XMR address under control of the scammer? Thanks.

You'd have to agree to let a well-trusted member of the forum have access to your Bitcointalk account to verify the contents of the PM. I could do this for you if you like, there's probably some others like LoyceV, or you could have a global mod do it, though it might take a while to get their attention.

Thanks for your help. I agree to let a well-trusted member of the forum have access to my Bitcointalk account to verify the contents of the PM. You and MoparMiningLLC are both Legendary and have good reputation. I chose to trust you. You can both access. Please tell me how do it.


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legendary
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I agree with ^^^ I would want to see the actual DM from minerjones - your screen shot of his message was chopped off so we cannot see that it actually came from him (unless I missed a screen shot where you showed it)

My guess is the guy hacked your account, saw buck's dm and then pretended to be buck - faked a minerjones account and got you to pay him (the hacker) then after all was said and done, he then prolly changed your email and such hoping to keep you off the forums so you could not oust him for his bullshit.

I do find it strange that minerjones has not responded. I hope all is well with him, just spoke with him yesterday and he was fine then.

again - I would like to see the DM from minerjones where he supposedly gave you this address to pay in its entirety.
legendary
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Merit: 8114
Can help me to verify how the scammer fake the massage that MJ sent to me? Is the XMR address under control of the scammer? Thanks.

You'd have to agree to let a well-trusted member of the forum have access to your Bitcointalk account to verify the contents of the PM. I could do this for you if you like, there's probably some others like LoyceV, or you could have a global mod do it, though it might take a while to get their attention.
legendary
Activity: 2733
Merit: 1181
I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rajubhusal-2300231

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.



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At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man

You said your account was hacked right? it doesnt take a genius to figure out it was this Raj guy who did it and took a DM and used it against you.

You should have checked with Escrow, me or anyone else on the forum, or posted in your thread at least that "something" was off or different. Kind of basic knowledge in life before sending a random stranger a few hundered XMR!

Instead you assumed and took his word for it, and in turn accused me of stealing your coins.

SMH

*** oh and id never say "Cheers"

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You said your account was hacked right? it doesnt take a genius to figure out it was this Raj guy who did it and took a DM and used it against you.
His massage to pretend to be you is sent on August 23. It is August 29 to found out my bitcointalk account is hacked and linked email address is changed.

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Instead you assumed and took his word for it, and in turn accused me of stealing your coins.
I do not accuse you. I even do not infer your name or even MJ's name before this problem becomes clear. Sorry for that.

You claim to have made a new account on August 30th, but the account shows it was created on November 23rd 2020, can you explain this and why you said this was your brand new account after being "hacked"?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/aseayan-2885681

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/aseayan-2885681;sa=showPosts

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I AM eseayan, and this is my new account . MY account is hacked in the weekend.  I just fonud it in Monday when I come back to work. I locked the old account.

Please stop the deal  until the admin complete unlock it.

eseayan( aseayan)


ps . here is password changed infomation in my email.

"Dear eseayan,

Your Bitcoin Forum (bitcointalk.org) email address was just changed from [email protected] to [email protected] by IP address 216.131.109.10. If you did not do this, then you can visit the following link within 14 days in order to lock the account:"
copper member
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This is really messed up and this whole thread and recent disappointing auction prices…seems like an advertisement for scarce city or some other legit auction house for our collectibles. Adds fees, commissions and kyc but at least we will see some proper premiums and weed out the lame scammers

Stay safe peeps…VERIFY! Never trust

Sel
member
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I see that it appears minerjones really did send you the PM, however the signed message doesn't verify with the PGP key in his keybase.



Did you attempt to verify the signature against keybase before sending the funds?

Hard to know exactly what happened without input from MJ. Right now I have to assume yours is a faked screenshot.

I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rajubhusal-2300231

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.



Quote
At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man

You said your account was hacked right? it doesnt take a genius to figure out it was this Raj guy who did it and took a DM and used it against you.

You should have checked with Escrow, me or anyone else on the forum, or posted in your thread at least that "something" was off or different. Kind of basic knowledge in life before sending a random stranger a few hundered XMR!

Instead you assumed and took his word for it, and in turn accused me of stealing your coins.

SMH

*** oh and id never say "Cheers"


I see that it appears minerjones really did send you the PM, however the signed message doesn't verify with the PGP key in his keybase.



Did you attempt to verify the signature against keybase before sending the funds?

Hard to know exactly what happened without input from MJ. Right now I have to assume yours is a faked screenshot.

He was scammed - most likely buy that Raj guy.

This is why escrows put in the PGP message - SO YOU CAN VERIFY IT!

OP:

Honestly I know it sucks, but you should have done your due diligence with all the tools that were freely provided to you by the escrow. Especially with that amount of coin.

Sad to see, but you aren't the first and you wont be the last to get scammed, hopefully someone besides the OP ofc can learn from this terrible mistake and scam, and triple check everything before sending out funds to anyone.

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you should have done your due diligence with all the tools that were freely provided to you by the escrow. Especially with that amount of coin.
Yes, I made a big mistake. I will learn from that.
MJ is a good man. I have used MJ's escrow service many times, and it works well.  I trust him, so I always send coins to escrow address without verifying PGP. But it failed this time.
Can help me to verify how the scammer fake the massage that MJ sent to me? Is the XMR address under control of the scammer? Thanks.

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legendary
Activity: 2733
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I see that it appears minerjones really did send you the PM, however the signed message doesn't verify with the PGP key in his keybase.



Did you attempt to verify the signature against keybase before sending the funds?

Hard to know exactly what happened without input from MJ. Right now I have to assume yours is a faked screenshot.

He was scammed - most likely buy that Raj guy.

This is why escrows put in the PGP message - SO YOU CAN VERIFY IT!

OP:

Honestly I know it sucks, but you should have done your due diligence with all the tools that were freely provided to you by the escrow. Especially with that amount of coin.

Sad to see, but you aren't the first and you wont be the last to get scammed, hopefully someone besides the OP ofc can learn from this terrible mistake and scam, and triple check everything before sending out funds to anyone.
member
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Basically, if the item(s) were not shipped from the seller, no tracking # provided, unresponsive seller(no updates), no item(s) arrived on buyer's side on particular period of time considering the ETA, then a refund is a must.

Yes, No tracking ID. And now it has lasted about 2 months from August.
Btw uploading (on imgur or bbcode) full pics of the screenshots' of the conversation could be very helpful instead of a cropped one to fully understand the info while waiting MJ to respond here for more info.


I can provide all the massages I received since August 20(I posted thread to buy coins). Give me some times, I will try to upload them. Thanks.
legendary
Activity: 2733
Merit: 1181
I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rajubhusal-2300231

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.



Quote
At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man

You said your account was hacked right? it doesnt take a genius to figure out it was this Raj guy who did it and took a DM and used it against you.

You should have checked with Escrow, me or anyone else on the forum, or posted in your thread at least that "something" was off or different. Kind of basic knowledge in life before sending a random stranger a few hundered XMR!

Instead you assumed and took his word for it, and in turn accused me of stealing your coins.

SMH

*** oh and id never say "Cheers"
legendary
Activity: 3010
Merit: 8114

I see that it appears minerjones really did send you the PM, however the signed message doesn't verify with the PGP key in his keybase.



Did you attempt to verify the signature against keybase before sending the funds?

Hard to know exactly what happened without input from MJ. Right now I have to assume yours is a faked screenshot.
legendary
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So what is MJ's response, just that he received no coins and that's it?

Edit this forum is TOTAL fuckin' scam lately, just beware everyone - something (everything?) is not right anymore. Huh
member
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I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rajubhusal-2300231

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.




I’m not sure what’s going on here or why my name is mentioned - but I have nothing to do with whatever is going on here nor have I sold anything or requested or sent any money or whatever is being discussed in this chat  to or from anyone here.

Please keep me out of this drama and whatever scam your are trying to pull.

Thanks!

I found this in my messages from august 31st:

https://i.imgur.com/rGsvgtb.png

I can only assume that raj dude scammed you,  and used my name for that purpose somehow.

I AM NOT INVLVED AT ALL HERE!



https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rajubhusal-2300231

let the detectives here go to work!

***shady - reviewing his lasts posts, changed names and emails a lot, lots of scam like history, sorry for that guys loss, but he didn't do his due diligence with a simple search , not sure what the "escrow-man" thinks?

Maybe it is true.
Let me tell you how it happened to me.

After I posted thread to buy physical coins on August 20, and buckrogers  contacted me for this on August 23.  On August 25 Rajubhusal
(first time to send me a massage) sent me a massage, and told me that Rajubhusal is buckrogers. Even this massage quoted the massage that buckrogers sent to me on August 23(At that time I did not understand how Rajubhusal got the buckrogers's massage if this is not the same man). At that time I suspected this may be scam. But I like monero physical coins and I wanna buy it. I thought that I can use escrow service , my money will be safe even if I don't receive the physical coins. So I contact MJ for escrow.


Here is the printscreen of that massages.
https://imgur.com/a/T9pnbZg
https://imgur.com/a/Man0O9w

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legendary
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So where the fuck is "escrow-man" anyhow, having a "Break" someplace like usual when shit hits the fan? This guy can't confront a guy knocking on his door ffs.. :insert total pussy image here: Roll Eyes
legendary
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It sounds like MJ never got the coins, but it looks to me like you sent them to the address he gave you. Huh

Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?

This is really fucked up to me.  Roll Eyes

Also, @buckrogers - why is his name in here? Huh [clarified by buckrogers below]

Edit - More info from MJ needed here for sure... I've seen something like this happen recently as well, to such an extent that I no longer trust ANYTHING about PM's on this forum - Not saying there is someone who may have infiltrated the server, but things are definitely getting shadier around here as time goes on, so I now prefer to use Telegram - How fuckin' sad is that, right? Tongue

I hope more info gets posted, that's a lot of XMR, and those are some of the sexiest coins on the planet. Sad

Last edit: NEVER send XMR from an address you do not fully control if you need to PROVE you sent coins from it!

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Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?
No.

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@buckrogers - why is his name in here? Huh
The scammer(Rajubhusal) told me buckrogers is Rajubhusal,  this is his mobile account.
https://imgur.com/a/Man0O9w


Sorry Bud, thats not me or my account, looks you got scammed good, sorry for your loss.

Having someone "tell" you they are someone else and taking that seriously? you should have done your due diligence, instead of accusing me.
member
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It sounds like MJ never got the coins, but it looks to me like you sent them to the address he gave you. Huh

Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?

This is really fucked up to me.  Roll Eyes

Also, @buckrogers - why is his name in here? Huh [clarified by buckrogers below]

Edit - More info from MJ needed here for sure... I've seen something like this happen recently as well, to such an extent that I no longer trust ANYTHING about PM's on this forum - Not saying there is someone who may have infiltrated the server, but things are definitely getting shadier around here as time goes on, so I now prefer to use Telegram - How fuckin' sad is that, right? Tongue

I hope more info gets posted, that's a lot of XMR, and those are some of the sexiest coins on the planet. Sad

Last edit: NEVER send XMR from an address you do not fully control if you need to PROVE you sent coins from it!

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Did you verify all the PGP signatures he gave you in the messages?
No.

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@buckrogers - why is his name in here? Huh
The scammer(Rajubhusal) told me buckrogers is Rajubhusal,  this is his mobile account.
https://imgur.com/a/Man0O9w
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