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Quote from: asche on February 05, 2019, 12:54:46 PM

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Quote from: asche on February 05, 2019, 12:16:20 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on February 05, 2019, 07:03:15 AM

1. More multiculturalism leads to more crime.

This.

Again this is noise backed by nothing.

So the most multicultural country ever, the USA has high criminality because it's multiethnicity?

I hope you are not serious.

Now that you are done selectively editing my quote to cherry pick it, do you care to address the rest of my statement or just the part you would like to focus on and pretend it was said in isolation?

Doesn't change a thing. What comes behind is not context but a joke of an explanation.

Um, yes editing a quote and removing parts of my argument in fact changes quite a bit. Watch...

Quote from: asche on February 05, 2019, 12:16:20 PM

get in me behind is not a joke.

After all, you did say that... I just removed a few key points.

Is Harvard a good enough source for you?

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=319762

So if you are done pretending my claims are some kind of baseless extremist tripe that no one supports...

There is such a thing as too much "multiculturalism".

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 05, 2019, 12:53:06 PM

Quote from: asche on February 05, 2019, 12:16:20 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on February 05, 2019, 07:03:15 AM

1. More multiculturalism leads to more crime.

This.

Again this is noise backed by nothing.

So the most multicultural country ever, the USA has high criminality because it's multiethnicity?

I hope you are not serious.

Now that you are done selectively editing my quote to cherry pick it, do you care to address the rest of my statement or just the part you would like to focus on and pretend it was said in isolation?

Doesn't change a thing. What comes behind is not context but a joke of an explanation.

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Quote from: asche on February 05, 2019, 12:16:20 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on February 05, 2019, 07:03:15 AM

1. More multiculturalism leads to more crime.

This.

Again this is noise backed by nothing.

So the most multicultural country ever, the USA has high criminality because it's multiethnicity?

I hope you are not serious.

Now that you are done selectively editing my quote to cherry pick it, do you care to address the rest of my statement or just the part you would like to focus on and pretend it was said in isolation?

asche

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 05, 2019, 07:03:15 AM

1. More multiculturalism leads to more crime.

This.

Again this is noise backed by nothing.

So the most multicultural country ever, the USA has high criminality because it's multiethnicity?

I hope you are not serious.

TECSHARE

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Quote from: coins4commies on February 05, 2019, 04:35:44 AM

The idea that embracing multiculturalism would allow a culture to die is almost violent in itself. Letting other people come in an practice their culture isn't going to stop you from practicing your culture. Your culture won't die unless people decide to stop practicing it or are forced to stop practicing it. Nationalism is a mechanism by which people are forced to only accept one culture.

1. More multiculturalism leads to more crime. Culturally homogeneous people share the same values and are less likely to get into conflict because they understand what is expected of each other.

2. Cultures can be displaced. It is not like oh don't let them have their own little pocket of culture over here, it is more like OH MY GOD THAT FLOOD OF CULTURE IS WASHING EVERYTHING ELSE AWAY. So yes, too much of another culture DOES STOP you from having your culture, especially when the other culture is willing to actively achieve this through violence and higher birth rates, while the multicultural pay for it via their taxes.

3. Nationalism doesn't force anyone into a culture. Are you really claiming the USA is a monoculture? Is not the USA fairly nationalist? Do we not have many ethnic cultures that all share the culture of The United States? You know how they got there? Slow assimilation over time, which is what does not happen when immigrants flood in enmass.

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The idea that embracing multiculturalism would allow a culture to die is almost violent in itself. Letting other people come in an practice their culture isn't going to stop you from practicing your culture. Your culture won't die unless people decide to stop practicing it or are forced to stop practicing it. Nationalism is a mechanism by which people are forced to only accept one culture.

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Quote from: Snail2 on February 04, 2019, 09:24:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2019, 09:39:03 PM

Now Hungary is defying the current Germany EU political takeover scheme: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-01/illiberal-democracy-why-viktor-orbans-fan-base-keeps-growing-europe.

Cool

LOL. As a Hungarian I have to admin that in the last 100-120 years the formations we sided with always went down in flames (unfortunately our own Austro-Hungarian Empire included). The AH Empire first, then the 3rd Reich, Soviet Empire, and now comes the 4th Reich

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You need to take lessons from Bohemians. Among them are some of the most intelligent "people" in the world. They live almost next door to you, in the Czech Republic.

The Incredible Intelligence of a Bohemian Shepherd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaLWilu9nak

Cool

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Quote from: asche on January 28, 2019, 03:23:45 PM

Quote from: coolcoinz on January 28, 2019, 02:05:04 PM

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Populism and nationalism are increasing in all our countries.

Nationalism is being used pejoratively by the leftists. Hopefully most of the people here see nothing wrong in it, because there's nothing wrong in being proud of your country and wanting to preserve its culture. Maybe one day Germans will wake up and see what Merkel has done with their country. I wish she'd took responsibility for her actions and allowed some economic migrants to live in her own house and the houses of her party colleagues.
As for the army, many EU countries will never go along.

Reading this on a forum that is multicultural, cross boarder and proning decentralization is completely insane.

Nationalism is not about being proud of traditions and preserving culture.

It is about the promotion of the interests of a single country, even if it is at the expense of every other one. It is basically egoism.
Based on the way countries are interdependent today, nationalism is totally stupid. If you wan't to do it, do it 100% and live in autarcy. Have fun in your cave.

Promotion is not war. Liking your culture and wanting to preserve it does not equal despising other cultures and wanting to destroy theirs. I'm not Japanese but I am, and have been fascinated by Japanese culture. I do not want it to disappear in a homogenized world. I'm not Italian but I don't want to bomb Italy, nor destroy Italy, nor subjugate it.

Nationalism is not bad; nor is it equal to tribalism; nor is nationalism warlike; nor is opposed to free trade between people and nations. As a matter of fact it is the multicultural, post-modernist left that is promoting the most vile, the most regressive identitarian politics.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 03, 2019, 09:39:03 PM

Now Hungary is defying the current Germany EU political takeover scheme: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-01/illiberal-democracy-why-viktor-orbans-fan-base-keeps-growing-europe.

Cool

LOL. As a Hungarian I have to admin that in the last 100-120 years the formations we sided with always went down in flames (unfortunately our own Austro-Hungarian Empire included). The AH Empire first, then the 3rd Reich, Soviet Empire, and now comes the 4th Reich

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BADecker

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Now Hungary is defying the current Germany EU political takeover scheme: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-01/illiberal-democracy-why-viktor-orbans-fan-base-keeps-growing-europe.

Cool

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Quote from: asche on January 28, 2019, 03:23:45 PM

Reading this on a forum that is multicultural, cross boarder and proning decentralization is completely insane.

I love listening to left wingers, they always take it to extremes.
Nationalism is not fighting other cultures and is not against decentralization! Where did you get this idea? I like other cultures and I'm interested in learning about them and visiting other countries. Do you really think that someone who supports nationalism will be hostile to other cultures and unable to use decentralized forums or participate in a discussion?

Quote from: asche on January 29, 2019, 03:43:12 AM

For the first line you should read the definition of Nationalism again. Maybe to you it is just tradition and culture, however the definition is way broader.

Are you dyslexic?

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Quote from: allthingsluxury on January 29, 2019, 10:00:48 AM

One world government. This must be resisted and will be.

Isn't that what Germany wants? A European army, so that Germany is strong enough to resist the one-world government?

Grin

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One world government. This must be resisted and will be.

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Quote from: asche on January 29, 2019, 06:05:08 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 29, 2019, 05:50:46 AM

Source?

http://www.histoire-immigration.fr/questions-contemporaines/economie-et-immigration/quel-est-l-effet-de-l-immigration-sur-le-marche-du

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/emploi/metiers/restauration-hotellerie-sports-loisirs/emploi-de-migrants-dans-la-restauration-nous-avons-besoin-de-personnel-que-nous-n-avons-pas-en-france_2884807.html

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Aurélien Taché : Je ne suis pas surpris, le rapport que j'avais remis au gouvernement en début d'année sur l'intégration des immigrés en France était axé sur la question de l'accès à l'emploi et de l'insertion professionnelle. On sait que dans beaucoup de secteurs, et l'hôtellerie-restauration est un excellent exemple, le bâtiment également ou dans des secteurs plus qualifiés comme le numérique, nous avons besoin de personnel que nous n'avons pas en France.

This is coming from a guy who did a formal report for the government.

https://www.gisti.org/doc/presse/1999/cerc/synthese.html

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Le dossier fait le point sur la place actuelle des étrangers dans le système productif national. Une préoccupation majeure est la concurrence qu'ils feraient aux travailleurs français. Pourtant, à y regarder de près, la main-d'oeuvre étrangère occupe traditionnellement des emplois peu substituables avec ceux de la main-d'oeuvre autochtone, en particulier du fait de la moins bonne qualité des statuts et des rémunérations.

http://www.leparisien.fr/economie/les-restaurateurs-veulent-pouvoir-embaucher-des-migrants-05-08-2018-7844235.php

Excuse me if I don't take government statements at their face value when you live in a country where it is illegal and considered racist to collect government statistics on race, ethnicity, or religion, but lets address what you have sourced.

The first link: http://www.histoire-immigration.fr/questions-contemporaines/economie-et-immigration/quel-est-l-effet-de-l-immigration-sur-le-marche-du

Starts off calling out the "far right" in the very first sentence, I am sure this is non-biased Roll Eyes

The whole thing relies on a single statement from an economist.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/emploi/metiers/restauration-hotellerie-sports-loisirs/emploi-de-migrants-dans-la-restauration-nous-avons-besoin-de-personnel-que-nous-n-avons-pas-en-france_2884807.html

This one is basically just an affirmation that poor people are more willing to be exploited for shitty pay. This isn't an argument this is just circular logic. The fact that poor people are more easily exploited is not an argument for uncontrolled immigration.

https://www.gisti.org/doc/presse/1999/cerc/synthese.html

More of the same of the above. None of this substantiates your claim that these people do not exploit the welfare system or that locals are lazy.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on January 29, 2019, 05:50:46 AM

Source?

http://www.histoire-immigration.fr/questions-contemporaines/economie-et-immigration/quel-est-l-effet-de-l-immigration-sur-le-marche-du

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/emploi/metiers/restauration-hotellerie-sports-loisirs/emploi-de-migrants-dans-la-restauration-nous-avons-besoin-de-personnel-que-nous-n-avons-pas-en-france_2884807.html

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Aurélien Taché : Je ne suis pas surpris, le rapport que j'avais remis au gouvernement en début d'année sur l'intégration des immigrés en France était axé sur la question de l'accès à l'emploi et de l'insertion professionnelle. On sait que dans beaucoup de secteurs, et l'hôtellerie-restauration est un excellent exemple, le bâtiment également ou dans des secteurs plus qualifiés comme le numérique, nous avons besoin de personnel que nous n'avons pas en France.

This is coming from a guy who did a formal report for the government.

https://www.gisti.org/doc/presse/1999/cerc/synthese.html

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Le dossier fait le point sur la place actuelle des étrangers dans le système productif national. Une préoccupation majeure est la concurrence qu'ils feraient aux travailleurs français. Pourtant, à y regarder de près, la main-d'oeuvre étrangère occupe traditionnellement des emplois peu substituables avec ceux de la main-d'oeuvre autochtone, en particulier du fait de la moins bonne qualité des statuts et des rémunérations.

http://www.leparisien.fr/economie/les-restaurateurs-veulent-pouvoir-embaucher-des-migrants-05-08-2018-7844235.php

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Quote from: asche on January 29, 2019, 05:34:44 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 29, 2019, 05:24:10 AM

Oh I see. So the only explanation is the locals are lazy? You sound rather contradictory from one breath to the next. Funny how all of your assumptions are accurate and what other people assume is automatically invalid because you disagree.

As I said I base what I say on what's happening in France/Germany. Also this is based on statistics not only my personal feeling.

Source?

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Quote from: TECSHARE on January 29, 2019, 05:24:10 AM

Oh I see. So the only explanation is the locals are lazy? You sound rather contradictory from one breath to the next. Funny how all of your assumptions are accurate and what other people assume is automatically invalid because you disagree.

As I said I base what I say on what's happening in France/Germany. Also this is based on statistics not only my personal feeling.

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Quote from: asche on January 29, 2019, 05:06:41 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 29, 2019, 05:04:33 AM

Quote from: asche on January 29, 2019, 03:43:12 AM

I don't know where you are from, but where I am most immigrants are people working hard and usually take jobs most nationals wouldn't take because of the working conditions.

So you are saying it is justified they flood in because they are useful to be exploited instead of just paying locals a fair wage?

The wage is fair. Locals tend just to be lazy. At least in France. They are used to get a lot of help from the country. So low wage & difficult jobs don't interest them. They often prefer staying at home and getting money for doing nothing rather than work hard to get a bit more money.

Most immigrants know what hard work is, and don't mind doing it.

Oh I see. So the only explanation is the locals are lazy? You sound rather contradictory from one breath to the next. Funny how all of your assumptions are accurate and what other people assume is automatically invalid because you disagree.

asche

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Quote from: TECSHARE on January 29, 2019, 05:04:33 AM

Quote from: asche on January 29, 2019, 03:43:12 AM

I don't know where you are from, but where I am most immigrants are people working hard and usually take jobs most nationals wouldn't take because of the working conditions.

So you are saying it is justified they flood in because they are useful to be exploited instead of just paying locals a fair wage?

The wage is fair. Locals tend just to be lazy. At least in France. They are used to get a lot of help from the country. So low wage & difficult jobs don't interest them. They often prefer staying at home and getting money for doing nothing rather than work hard to get a bit more money.

Most immigrants know what hard work is, and don't mind doing it.

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Quote from: asche on January 29, 2019, 03:43:12 AM

I don't know where you are from, but where I am most immigrants are people working hard and usually take jobs most nationals wouldn't take because of the working conditions.

So you are saying it is justified they flood in because they are useful to be exploited instead of just paying locals a fair wage?

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