Topic: Hitler's War Crimes vs. Those of Churchill & the Americans (Read 325 times)

... or this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/please-help-i-got-a-lot-of-loans-5209181.

And a deeper look will reveal that the illusion of righteousness to be false but perhaps we will just have to disagree on that.

The Fiat system and it’s failings were set into motion centuries before Hitler when humanity decided to legalize fractional reserve banking allowing multiple simultaneous claims on the same gold. That led to instability and the attempted centralized solution of central banking in the Great Depression and finally when that failed the transition to full fiat which is now starting to fail.

As a group the Jews have a very high IQ and individual Jews certainly profited tremendously from the process over the centuries but if there were no Jews in banking the same process would have occurred with some other nation or group picking up the slack. Our financial system is a power vacuum made possible by human stupidity, greed, and lack of wisdom.

Power vacuums will always be filled. The fiat system cannot be corrected it can only fail. Perhaps we will learn something from the collapse but knowing humanity even if we do we will eventually deploy and build something even worse. It’s what we are and what we do.

See: Finance: Part 1, 2, 3

Evils don't have any justification anywhere.

Ezekiel 16:52:
Jeremiah 3:11:
What the Jews built with banking makes Hitler and the Nazi's appear more righteous than America and the UK. But if a person doesn't look, he won't see it.

There are no human good guys or good nations but there are certainly better and worse. Your first paragraph is true but the second two have issues.

WW2 was more then just an extension of prior European wars. The Nazi ideology was one of eugenic world domination with a ruthlessness made possible by the decline of Christian ethics amoung the population. As Christianity wanes the population becomes vulnerable to parasitic ideologies Communism and Nazism are dark reflections of each other tolotarian collectivist regimes centered around falsehoods made possible by waning Christian virtue.

If the Nazis had crushed Russia it would have probably led to either a eventual global toltarian world government with everyone under Nazi rule and the non Aryans marked for gradual liquidation or more likely a vast global nuclear disaster triggered by the USA or Japan in their attempts to stop them. Nazism would not have spontaneously collapsed like Communism did and their victory in WW2 would simply set the stage for an inevitable WW3. For all it’s faults at least Communism is an inclusive ideology. Their end goal is to transform their enemies into good communists not exterminate them. It is an error to look at modern evils like our financial system as justifying the Nazi evils. What the Nazis would have built had they won would be far worse.

Nobody is saying that the German Nazis of WW2 were the good guys. All that is being said is that American leaders along with Churchill were only "good" because they were forced to be good by the ethics of the people who kept them in power. Had the German government been of a different form, Hitler would not have been able to do the bad he did. Had the American and UK governments been different, they would have attacked Germany long before they did.

WW2 was simply an extension of European wars that had been going on for hundreds of years one way or another. The fact America and the UK did not appear as aggressive as other European nations was due to the people of America and the UK forcing their governments to be peaceful (more or less). But behind the scenes, the Americans and Brits were just as bad as Hitler's people. They simply covered it up better.

The results are that Hitler and the Nazi's died, but the whole world staggers under the banking system that America and the UK allowed to be set in place. Far more are being killed off by the necessity for keeping the banking system in place, than could have been killed off by the WW2 Nazi's if they had won.

The historical revisions that don’t come out until all of the eye witnesses are mostly dead are the ones to question. There is no reason to doubt the Nazi war crimes. Those crimes were indeed logical necessities if you embrace the Nazi ideology. Everyone in WWII was brutal but there was a distinct difference in their brutality.

From Wikipedia:

Historian Niall Ferguson, in addition to figures from Keith Lowe, tabulated the total death rate for POWs in World War II as follows:

Percentage of POWs that Died

Soviet POWs held by Germans                  57.5%
German POWs held by Yugoslavs                  41.2%
German POWs held by Soviets                  35.8%
American POWs held by Japanese          33.0%
American POWs held by Germans            1.19%
German POWs held by Eastern Europeans   32.9%
British POWs held by Japanese                  24.8%
German POWs held by Czechoslovaks            5.0%
British POWs held by Germans                    3.5%
German POWs held by French                    2.58%
German POWs held by Americans            0.15%
German POWs held by British                    0.03%

The record is clear the Germans were selectively civilized based on your race. You were treated pretty well if you were British and totally screwed if you ever came under their power as a “inferior”. The Russians and the Japanese were brutal too but to a lessor degree.

The Nazi’s viewed the Russians as manipulated and controlled by the Jews whom they viewed as the true mastermind and menace. What would a civilization that had no qualms about starving to death almost 60% of their Slavic prisoners of war a population they viewed as inferior dupes feel about the treatment of the race they viewed as the greater menace and the “ mastermind” of communism.  The answer of course is mass extermination which is exactly what happened. There are many many eyewitness accounts of the Nazi crimes but beyond that the Nazi crimes were nothing more then the logical extension of the Nazi ideology.

The Germans were right to fear communism and they were also right that the Jews in Russia played a major role in establishing Communism in that country and overthrowing the monarchy. However, in their fear of that evil and in their anger and desire to correct past injustices they allowed themselves to become a darker evil. To obtain the strength to battle monsters they turned themselves into demons.

Here is what Churchill said of the Nazi’s in 1934 many years before the war would begin

The question isn't that war is brutal, and some warriors are more brutal than others. The question is what really happened. Winners write the history they want, no matter what the truth is.

I wasn't there. I'd guess you weren't, either. Which historians are writing the truth?

The reality is that the Nazi's were one of the most terrifying ideologies to emerge in the 20th centuries and we are very fortunate they did not emerge victorious in WWII as could easily have occurred had events not played out in just the right way to ensure they were crushed in a few short years. Their ideology much worse then Communism because communism self-implodes after a few decades. Its too far detached from reality. The Nazi evil is much more practical and thus functional and efficient.

There is no reason to doubt the mass extermination efforts against those deemed undesirable to the Nazis. It was not just the Jews who suffered but anyone deemed inferior. The Nazi ideology held that the Aryan race was ethnically superior to all and therefore it was permissible to rule via conquest and certainly desirable to exterminate a lessor races if it was needed to make room for their "betters". Nazism was a rejection of all Christian ethics in favor of a Darwinian worldview of survival of the fittest.

You don't have to limit your analysis to the Jews to understand the issue. Looking at how the Germans treated their Russian prisoners is just as instructive. The Germans captured nearly 4 million soviet prisoners of war during the first year of their 1941 surprise offensive. Very few of those four million Russians would survive.  

Nazi Persecution of Soviet Prisoners of War
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-persecution-of-soviet-prisoners-of-war

 

War is hell, it always awakens this what is the worst in people.
For me the greatest crime of the allies was accepting fucking Stalin as one of their own.
Accepting is in fact one thing and the other, is how they left half of the world in grasps of that monster later on.
General Patton during the invasion said "we fought the wrong enemy" and two weeks later he dies in a fender-bender as a only victim... says a lot. The whole world should get mobilised against the axis and right after wiping those commies of the face of the earth, the onslaught should continue, until not a single bolshevik was left in Russia. But hey, it's all a rich man's trick after all, right Mr Rothschild?      

Hi, f1. Thanks for the critical eye, there. The forum is a great place to give orders. Did you want me to send you an invoice for obedience to you as I following your orders?

Tell you what. PM me what you think it is worth, and I'll see if I agree. Then you can send the agreed-upon amount of bitcoin to a bitcoin escrow agent that we both agree on, and from then on all you have to do is check all my posts for obedience.

I won't get the bitcoins until I resign from the forum. You will get them back if I fail the obedience test. We can select a jury to determine who is infracting, or who is right or wrong about the infractions of the other.

Add whatever other points to the agreement that you want, and I'll see if I agree with them. Okay? I'll be watching my mail.

another topic example where a few people re calling out that badecker lacks critical thinking and real research

seems he just finds an article and takes it as fact. doesnt research it, doesnt try validating it. but just acts like a spoonfed kid happy with whatever is handed to him..

badecker when you read random blogs. dont just take it as fact. actually check it out. yep before posting. check it out validate it.
you pretend to say 'i dont know what happened in WW2'
well try finding out. do some proper research and vet the research you try.
if you still continue to post things and then later come up with excuses like 'but no one really knows' means your initial post just becomes irrelevant.

dont just post a blog and then later say you went back and checked it and now your opinion is that someone else said it and not anything to do with you and no one should hold you to account for what you posted.
.. you posted it so stand by what you post or just dont post if if your not sure

if something is wrong with your post then you should just accept its time you verify before copy and pasting.

use blockchain rules. validate the data, check with peers if it complies with their versions of accounts. temporarily accept it but also be prepared to reject it.

dont just cry that you didnt create the data, while still trying to find excuses to keep your opinion the same
..
just do some research, checks and validations

We don't have to go back that far. Consider Waco - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege. And if you check into 9/11, most people who think about it deeply, think that it was done by the Federal Government.

IMO, America is almost as bad as Hitler and his nazi state. Remember the genocide of native Americans, but not only this. The American government just keeps exterminating whoever they don't like

This is what I don't like to do. I don't like to read 18,000 words just so I can find something out. I would rather that somebody just tell me point-blank. This means that I don't wind up having enough info to formulate an opinion on my own. It's bad style to be this way. And it is probably the way most of us are. After all, who has time to read millions of words?

Wikipedia has writers who write what Wikipedia wants the world to know... whether or not it is truth. To see the Wikipedia double talk, look at these two articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide. Both of these articles are talking about the same chemical. The first is a do-it-yourself usage of the substance. The second is done by professionals. The resulting product works the same no matter who makes it.


The Holocaust

How do you know?

Is it something you want to exist that way?
Is it a philosophy?
Is it like a religion?
Would you feel guilty if it turned out to be opposite of what you believe?
You were there?

I'm not disagreeing with you. I wasn't there to do a count. But Stalin and his at-least 60 million (some say 100 million) was way worse than Hitler. And Stalin was our ally. That's a fact. Anything else is wrong.

I don't think I'd call this guy a historian. If he beleives that Churchill/Americans were as bad as someone who exterminated millions upon millions upon people. It doesn't matter what these groups potentially planned, or could have planned. They didn't do things that were as horrible as Hitler and that's a fact.

Anything else is wrong.

At least we don't put them in concentration camps - like we did the Japanese in WW2 - and starve them to death, like Hitler did in WW2... do we?


Report on How the US Tortures

Except for one fact. If Churchill and American leaders wanted to do the same things that Hitler did, what would stop them? The people of their respective countries.

Hitler got away with what he did because he talked much of Germany into believing that he was good. Later, when they found out he was bad, it was too late to stop him.

So, Hitler became the excuse that Churchill and American leaders used to do the bad kinds of things that Hitler was doing, not to stop Hitler, but because they wanted to do worse all along. But the excuse was that they were stopping Hitler. And because it was easily seen that Hitler was bad, the people jumped behind Churchill and American leaders to stop Hitler.

It seems that it is only coming out now how bad Churchill and American leaders really were. However, there have been many critics of Churchill and American leaders who have been silenced over the years.

Consider our recent president, George W. Bush. How in the world could he and his dad ever get elected presidents? G.W.'s grandfather helped Hitler in WW2. But both of them were presidents, because of why? Maybe to emulate Hitler in some foreign country, just like we are doing in Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bolivia and who knows where else, right now.

OP must be mad, how in the world is Churchill and the Americans people worse than Hitler when Hitler is the main instigator in the war that brought about the death of millions. If not for his master race ideologies,  none of these would have happened so whatever the Allied forces did to win the war was all his fault.

I went back and looked briefly at the OP.

I wasn't there... WW2. Were you? There's a record of a historian, whose work is directed at in the OP, who says that Churchill and the Americans were worse than Hitler. So, why are you calling me a psycho?

You have the wrong guy. If you don't believe the historian, why aren't you calling him a psycho? Sounds like you have your mind made up so firmly, that to even show writings of a historian that says something different than what you like to hear, is something that causes you to go immediately bonkers.

Is it possible that you are an ostrich with your head in the sand?

You're openly saying that Churchill and the Americans commited war crimes that were comparable in some way to Hitler.

Is there any evidence to support this conclusion? No. Not at all.

Even in the US -- which had Japanese internment camps, there was no 'final solution' for the Japanese people. Millions of Japanese civilians (or people of any race, religion, national origin, etc) weren't exterminated.

You're a psycho.

Hitler was used by his generals in much of the same way he was using them. It wasn't only Hitler.

Except... unless your were with Churchill and the Americans around the clock, you don't know what they drafted up and used without telling other people. Do you really think that all the orders that were handed down in WW2 were made public, or were even known to exist other than by the few in the chain of command?

You essentially haven't responded to this thread. You only look like you have. Make some sense.

Because people do not study history, read Hitler's Mein Kampf, learn more about who Adolf Eichmann was, and what they initially set out to do.

People learn the shortcuts: Hitler was a crazy lunatic who created concentration camps, we bombed the shit out of him, the end.

Every discussion on Hitler ends up with the ethnically targeted concentration camps and killing of Jews.
But people rarely discuss what brought that situation. What was the stand of Hitler on the issue. And how that amount of jews ended up in Germany and in the hands of Hitler.

Like -- You've not even linked to the true article anyway.

But I think it's fair to note this very simple thing. Did Churchill and the Americans draft up a 'final solution' to mass kill people? No. Alright then these things cant even be compared, that's it.

I really should just stop responding to your threads. It would probably be better for my mental health.

So, read the article. Then come back and let us know what you think reality is.


Hitler's War Crimes vs. Those of Churchill & the Americans