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you wont mind the audience if you are a pro player because you can always win the game based on your skill and not because of the crown but to some , audience can give them a small boost

The thing is, these kind of games are not only played by an ace player of the team, it's played by the whole. Just even on the stats given on the OP that will surely give you an idea how home court advantage really drives the win for the game home court players.

Much more if there are crucial plays the crowd really do make a difference to change the pace and momentum of the game especially in basketball most likely the NBA. Under the new normal of less or no fans in an arena I think home court advantage will really not make a difference.

I think a reasonable numbers of supporters in the stadiums at the safe required level can still encourage the players.
They could get the supporters abit close to the players so that they will feel more close to each other and be encouraged. The voices, presence, cheers, encouragement, etc would need to be felt more by the players

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Quote from: kotajikikox on June 04, 2020, 02:50:12 AM

Home court advantage will always remain as is,because it is in the heart of player and not in the audience.Yeah it can add some boost for the players but the instinct of depending your own town is what installed into their hearts and Mind so yeah in some part there is some changes but the true player relies in their skills and not in fans.

If you didn't know I will tell you, for fans they say they are additional player to the team. If fans are crazy,
loud, if they support their team, if they bother opponents with loud yelling when they attack.
Some teams have so big support from fans and I think playing without audience will be a different experience
for some players, attackers! They have most support from fans, for whom they will play now and have special
dances after scoring a goal?

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Home court advantage will always remain as is,because it is in the heart of player and not in the audience.Yeah it can add some boost for the players but the instinct of depending your own town is what installed into their hearts and Mind so yeah in some part there is some changes but the true player relies in their skills and not in fans.

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Quote from: asianguy845 on June 02, 2020, 04:50:53 PM

Honestly, even with no live audience, I think home court is still an advantage, just by less.
NBA had a consistent 55-65% win chance on home court, while it has now decreased to 52-55%, which is still an advantage.

Between a great team and a weak one, home-court advantage is just useless, but between a team who are even home-court advantage can have an impact, now that audiences are not allowed, it's fair between team without strength, it's better this way so these sporting events will continue without issues of audiences health concern.

It's gonna be the first time that home court is not a big factor, if this pandemic will continue, then they better play in just one venue, so players will also not gonna travel anymore. Still, there's no clear rules or set up if the NBA will resume, we are still going to wait what's gonna be the rules so we are aware of what is going to happen and as a better, we can also make a clear decision.

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Quote from: asianguy845 on June 02, 2020, 04:50:53 PM

Honestly, even with no live audience, I think home court is still an advantage, just by less.
NBA had a consistent 55-65% win chance on home court, while it has now decreased to 52-55%, which is still an advantage.

Between a great team and a weak one, home-court advantage is just useless, but between a team who are even home-court advantage can have an impact, now that audiences are not allowed, it's fair between team without strength, it's better this way so these sporting events will continue without issues of audiences health concern.

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Quote from: MCobian on June 03, 2020, 06:59:13 PM

The sporting events that are starting now will be different because of the CONVID19 pandemic, for matches held at home.
It is no longer an advantage, because there is no live audience.

no live audience at home court but what about when teams are away ? still no audience ? depends on the country i guess .

if the country has a less case of virus , we can see audience . let say if there are no audience on home court but the field is still memorized by the home team so its still an advantage for them to win the game . crowd or audience are only secondary that can boost the game .

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The live audience is just one factor of home-court advantage imo. There's the fact that home-court gives players the edge to understanding the place. It's a kind of abstract feeling where they feel at home, thereby boosting their confidence. The audience is just one factor added in there. And also, if there's a positive feeling, there's also a negative feeling which is the visiting players. More specifically, I'm describing the concept of a foreign entity kind of like environment where you don't know where you are and the like. Not sure if it could serve as an example but you can think of it as a king visiting a foreign country for negotiation talks. Normally, the two kingdoms are fighting but since King A decided to visit, his sense of unbelonging inside the other kingdom brings about negative effects not only to his but also to his retainers.

Quote from: verita1 on June 03, 2020, 05:14:47 PM

Guys, it's worse than nothing. The team directors are doing everything possible to make the return of sports to the courts a success.
We are living an atypical time, the players and the public know it. The public is key to giving more energy to the players and with that we all agree. However, I remain convinced that the players will give their best this season.

There should be an advantage for the team that is in better physical and emotional shape.

It shouldn't really be called like that tbh. Everything possible means that we would even accept the minimum, but honestly, that's us audience. Remember that games are for the players themselves, for them to win, to enjoy the atmosphere, etc., so them pushing it forcefully can be good and bad, depending on how you look at it. But I'm on the side of us being lucky though since they are pushing for it after all.

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If anyone want to explore the vast idea of advantage on home turf then look at Cricket. In cricket home team exploit this feature ridiculously where pitches are prepared according to their skills and pitches play crucial part in Win-Loss. Once a while visiting team does outplay home team though.

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I agree with you there were many advantages before in the case of sports matches But now due to the outbreak of the virus, the match is not as before and the audience has decreased Everyone is turning to the social distance to survive their virus. That's why the excitement of this game is very low and no one is going to the field and enjoying the game directly I don't think the vaccine for this virus will come out anymore So far no one was able to send in the perfect solution which is not strange No one will return to the game until the epidemic is over.

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The sporting events that are starting now will be different because of the CONVID19 pandemic, for matches held at home.
It is no longer an advantage, because there is no live audience. In my opinion, the excitement of the game will be even less.
Therefore, I really hope that the vaccine can be found soon, so that sports matches can return to normal. Although for now
we have to accept the fact that the vaccine hasn't been found, so it becomes a home court sports match without a live audience.

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NBA will not make it a dull tournament, though there will be no crowd but for sure they will put something in the crowd section to somehow let the home team feel they are playing at home, I don't know how they will do it but a Mannequin might might be put, with matching good sound effects during the break time or time out. We never know what's coming but I hope the management will make it a very fun arena despite of the limit options they can utilize.

I wonder what would be the odds then, looking forward for the playoffs to kick in soon, it's been a long time since we don't see some real action.

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Quote from: Questat on June 03, 2020, 07:41:34 AM

Exactly, let's just enjoy what the NBA can give to us when they come back, there are only few games at the moment and as for me, I have been waiting for the NBA to resume so we can again start to cast our bet, the playoffs would be fun, I don't mind not seeing fans as long as I know analyze the games and I can bet accordingly.

Despite of the no home court advantage in the NBA the interesting part in their plan is the playoffs format more teams included because of the play in bracket. We could also see more upsets this playoffs now that lower seeded teams don't have to worry about top seed teams getting the first home match.

Quote from: peter0425 on June 03, 2020, 07:51:02 AM

Yeah that is the sad part of sports now,how can the home court owner took the advantage when there are no cheering for them?and their family and love once that seats in the bench?now they will play as if there are only limit of people inside the stadium and players don't use to this kind of way of playing.

The environment isn't the same for the players and the fans but when it's the only option left for leagues to finish their season we just have to accept it.

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It's one missing piece but there area also some factors that add up to what we call "home court advantage."

First off, since players are practicing on these same courts for almost every day, they know so well the optimal position in which they can do their thing. Athletes do have a 'feel' on where they are playing, and it adds up to their optimal performance overall. To put up an example, take some tennis players with preferences to clay, grass, hard or carpet courts. They excel in some courts but not on other ones. It's the same as home court advantage, especially if you already developed that 'feel' on these certain courts.

We have to make do with what we have in order to proceed with sporting events. It was already allowed, and we don't want it to be revoked by forcing ourselves to watch live. It's the different feel and excitement still, especially if you're supporting your favorite teams or athletes on the stadium or at home.

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Guys, it's worse than nothing. The team directors are doing everything possible to make the return of sports to the courts a success.
We are living an atypical time, the players and the public know it. The public is key to giving more energy to the players and with that we all agree. However, I remain convinced that the players will give their best this season.

There should be an advantage for the team that is in better physical and emotional shape.

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Obviously it is a big missing piece in any sports to not have your fans cheering for you when you are playing, however I do not believe that its the only thing. When the cheers becomes too loud the players obviously get affected by it, and that is why there is usually more losses that comes on the road and you win more at home, you get that fan support behind your back that helps you out. However you have to realize there is also travelling involved.

You get out of your house, meet with the club at your home court, they take you to a bus, you go to an airport with that bus, you take a flight to a new city, you get out of plane and go to another bus again, which takes you to a hotel instead of your home, you sleep there sometimes or maybe it is the day of the match when you arrive. All around its not really comfortable to be on the road, not just because of fans but in many reasons.

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yes, it is still an advantage, the home-court advantage doesn't solely rely on the audience. one major factor of homecourt advantage other than the audience is the familiarity of surrounding, place or venue etc.. which affects the player of both team mentally may it be small, big, positive or negative and being comfortable while you play will affect your entire performance in the game.

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Yeah that is the sad part of sports now,how can the home court owner took the advantage when there are no cheering for them?and their family and love once that seats in the bench?now they will play as if there are only limit of people inside the stadium and players don't use to this kind of way of playing.

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Quote from: Harkorede on June 03, 2020, 07:31:12 AM

Quote from: Questat on June 03, 2020, 07:18:13 AM

This topic is timely, I realize now if the NBA will resume, there will be no home court advantage as it will be played without a fans.
It's good for the team who are below in the playoffs ranking, they will not get the home court but it doesn't matter, no fans so no problem, if in cause some people will debate that there is an advantage, well, maybe there is but a very little advantage.

Made me wonder what the Raptors will look like when playing at home right now, I think football is probably still enjoyable without the fans, but as for NBA with so many breaks and timeout moments for the fans, I can't say the same. However, it is what it is and I would rather have NBA game without the fan than no NBA at all.

Exactly, let's just enjoy what the NBA can give to us when they come back, there are only few games at the moment and as for me, I have been waiting for the NBA to resume so we can again start to cast our bet, the playoffs would be fun, I don't mind not seeing fans as long as I know analyze the games and I can bet accordingly.

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Quote from: Questat on June 03, 2020, 07:18:13 AM

This topic is timely, I realize now if the NBA will resume, there will be no home court advantage as it will be played without a fans.
It's good for the team who are below in the playoffs ranking, they will not get the home court but it doesn't matter, no fans so no problem, if in cause some people will debate that there is an advantage, well, maybe there is but a very little advantage.

Made me wonder what the Raptors will look like when playing at home right now, I think football is probably still enjoyable without the fans, but as for NBA with so many breaks and timeout moments for the fans, I can't say the same. However, it is what it is and I would rather have NBA game without the fan than no NBA at all.

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Quote from: chaser15 on June 02, 2020, 03:40:27 PM

Home-court advantage is one of the factors that some sports bettors are looking for picking a team alongside stats, match history, injuries, and current standings.

Not that the team with that advantage will win 100% but the psychological contribution of a live audience really boosts the morale of any players, at any sports, making it an effective recipe to win.

Looking at the home-away stats in the previous season at these leagues at different sports, we can see how being in a home advantage benefited a team.

Baseball (2018 Major League Baseball)
Home team won 1,277 games (52.6%)
Away team won 1,149 games (47.4%)

Basketball (2018-19 NBA Season)
Home team won 1,230 games (71%)
Away team won 501 games (29%)

Soccer (2018–19 Premier League)
Home team won 181 matches (47%)
Away team won 128 matches (34%)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_advantage

With some sports likely to resume in next month or few, or being resumed recently, after being suspended or halted due to Covid-19 pandemic spread, one safety measure that will be imposed is a no-live-audience, literally playing without audience presence and we can see some sports already feel the experience of playing on that environment.

What do you think, does this home-court advantage, still an advantage now? Do you think Moneyline odds will now be different from now on especially if both teams are equal in strength?

it's always an advantage since home team doesn't need to relocate in another city (more relaxed).
Home team know perfectly the field condition (at least for sport played outside and not indoor).
Plus in football game, since you can change per rule the length of the football field between 90 to 120 meters (!) an home team could decide to adapt dimension of football field according the status of the players (likewise if player are exhausted from many matches they can just play in a "short" field).
I don't know if there is a similar rule also in other sports, but it's widely used by some team (and it's accepted by FIFA rules Wink

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