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Topic: Honestinvest.net || Completely honest investments! || 10% week/45% monthly (Read 328 times)

legendary
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This is what I do. I drink and I know things.
"Honest"Invest that's classic... If you could reliably make over 45% per month, you'd be a certified investing genius. You'd be marched up and down the streets while everybody cheered you on. Everything is pointing towards a good old fashioned ponzi scheme here.

What proof do you provide investors of your returns?

Oh and nice script too https://codecanyon.net/item/investorm-advanced-hyip-investment-management-platform/32431844

The last time that OPie here was active was 17 August 2021. So either his method work out and make him rich (lol) or he couldn't find what he was looking for which was ignorant people. Unfortunately for him, these days people know that these investments are just a Ponzi scheme or a donation to some gambler.
member
Activity: 88
Merit: 10
"Honest"Invest that's classic... If you could reliably make over 45% per month, you'd be a certified investing genius. You'd be marched up and down the streets while everybody cheered you on. Everything is pointing towards a good old fashioned ponzi scheme here.

What proof do you provide investors of your returns?

Oh and nice script too https://codecanyon.net/item/investorm-advanced-hyip-investment-management-platform/32431844
legendary
Activity: 3164
Merit: 1127
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
from what I see you are trying hard to convince people that your project is not ponzi/scam although you use nice words it would be more advantageous if you showed proof. for example:

you could create accounts on the sites that are here on this forum and then you could be posting proofs in the threads of the sites on this forum that you created an account, this would make everyone see your good results and you would gain some reputation later so that people would feel more safe to invest in your project you would use escrow from this forum

I think this would have been the best way for projects of this nature to be legitimate and safe
copper member
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
To be honest, as much as I admire the honesty admitted, the project still fails to give any assurance to any of the investors. Although investing in general do involve some risk, the business framework of this project shouts really as a scam.

There is no guarantee that any of the promised rates would come into fruition. Even if they do mention their so-called 'secret', I doubt that it will affect the general consensus of this project tagged as a scam.

Thank you for your attitude and commentary. Since our descritpion and arguments are not as valid as we thought then this project has no means of how to give assurance to our investors other than future positve responses and experiences. We agree that our page has few similarities with scam pages, however it differs from them quite a bit as well. Especially in the way we describe the risks, also the fact that we do not desire any money which is existentially important for you (money to pay the rent, money to pay the utility bill, money to pay your loans...). We try to explain that we merely created a mechanism which can be of help to many, while also providing us the benefit of being able to make the mechanism safer and more profitable.
copper member
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Feel free to have a look at the warning about us being a ponzi scheme and the reason why there is a negative rating on our profile below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-honest-invest-ponzi-scheme-5345269

The reason is simple and pretty obvious. You running a Ponzi scheme which by definition is fraud/ scam. What else to see?
You offer weekly returns of 10% and monthly of 45%, totally absurd interest without any clue of what you will do for getting this percentage. We all know though that you don't do a single thing, just waiting to get as much as you can, and then... puff, Elvis just left the building!

Hello! I am one of the 3 people who run honestinvest.net, my friend told me about some of the arguments, which were stated here. I am here to try to explain, who we are, what are we doing and why are the returns we offer not so unreasonable.

As my friend mentioned, we are a group of 3 people who offer investment opportunities. We try to work and disclose as much information as we can about how we make the promised returns, what are the risks and so on... As stated before we play blackjack with the invested money, I can not disclose much about how we play since it really could be done by anyone, but it greatly involves the logic of choice whether you pick the card or stay. We are well aware of how Ponzi scheme works and this may sound as cliché, but no Ponzi scheme based page would explicitly state, that we are not able to pay the money if it is lost, as we are not using money from one investor to insure money of the other one. In other words no scam page would have so many disclaimers, because in order for scam to work, you have to promise people that they risk nothing and the gain certain, you have to make the page appealing and perfect. We do not do that. We try to explain that there are risks. Our playing strategy is not foolproof and as my friend stated before the beta tests were ran in order to find out, what kind of risk is to be taken in order to get appropriate gain and if such ratio between risk/gain/used capital/invested time even exists.

And the results we achieved were satisfying. The playing strategy we devised through personal experiences, the said simulator and mathematical assumptions that were taken and consequently confirmed or confuted all resulted in this: we claim that we have a mechanism, which allows to make up to 45% of given money under reasonable risk and invested time.

So if you deem 10% or 45% absurd... it is not. We with all honesty say we play blackjack with the money. In gambling world 10% or 45% gain is rather low. But we chose these numbers (10%, 21%, 33%, 45%) because of a specific reason which is connected to the logic behind the strategy we use.
copper member
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Feel free to have a look at the warning about us being a ponzi scheme and the reason why there is a negative rating on our profile below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-honest-invest-ponzi-scheme-5345269

The reason is simple and pretty obvious. You running a Ponzi scheme which by definition is fraud/ scam. What else to see?
You offer weekly returns of 10% and monthly of 45%, totally absurd interest without any clue of what you will do for getting this percentage. We all know though that you don't do a single thing, just waiting to get as much as you can, and then... puff, Elvis just left the building!

Hello! I am one of the 3 people who run honestinvest.net, my friend told me about some of the arguments, which were stated here. I am here to try to explain, who we are, what are we doing and why are the returns we offer not so unreasonable.

As my friend mentioned, we are a group of 3 people who offer investment opportunities. We try to work and disclose as much information as we can about how we make the promised returns, what are the risks and so on... As stated before we play blackjack with the invested money, I can not disclose much about how we play since it really could be done by anyone, but it greatly involves the logic of choice whether you pick the card or stay. We are well aware of how Ponzi scheme works and this may sound as cliché, but no Ponzi scheme based page wouldn't explicitly state, that we are not able to pay the money if it is lost, as we are not using money from one investor to insure money of the other one. In other words no scam page would have so many disclaimers, because in order for scam to work, you have to promise people that they risk nothing and the gain certain, you have to make the page appealing and perfect. We do not do that. We try to explain that there are risks. Our playing strategy is not foolproof and as my friend stated before the beta tests were ran in order to find out, what kind of risk is to be taken in order to get appropriate gain and if such ratio between risk/gain/used capital/invested time even exists.

And the results we achieved were satisfying. The playing strategy we devised through personal experiences, the said simulator and mathematical assumptions that were taken and consequently confirmed or confuted all resulted in this: we claim that we have a mechanism, which allows to make up to 45% of given money under reasonable risk and invested time.

On the other I also understand the scepticism when it comes to investing or entrusting money into something you don't know everything about. Even more so when it is stated that your money is not guaranteed to be paid out. On the other hand there is no way in this world how to make money without risks or leap of faith. When people go to job they rely on their employer to pay them their wage. The employer has to rely on demand of anything he is offering on the market. Market in general has to rely on the economical stability that can change when pandemic breaks out or economic depression occurs. In everyday life you have to take risks in such a spectre you are even not aware of and yet you do it with no hesitation. I understand that giving money to people on the internet is somewhat different, but principle is the same. And also the minimum deposit a investment plan we offer doesn't involve huge amount of money. Some people lose money beacuse they are heavy drinkers or heavy smokers, and yet they don't mind. We offer interesting gain after rather short amount of time under very low non-zero risk.
copper member
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Feel free to have a look at the warning about us being a ponzi scheme and the reason why there is a negative rating on our profile below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-honest-invest-ponzi-scheme-5345269

The reason is simple and pretty obvious. You running a Ponzi scheme which by definition is fraud/ scam. What else to see?
You offer weekly returns of 10% and monthly of 45%, totally absurd interest without any clue of what you will do for getting this percentage. We all know though that you don't do a single thing, just waiting to get as much as you can, and then... puff, Elvis just left the building!

Hello! I am one of the 3 people who run honestinvest.net, my friend told me about some of the arguments, which were stated here. I am here to try to explain, who we are, what are we doing and why are the returns we offer not so unreasonable.

As my friend mentioned, we are a group of 3 people who offer investment opportunities. We try to work and disclose as much information as we can about how we make the promised returns, what are the risks and so on... As stated before we play blackjack with the invested money, I can not disclose much about how we play since it really could be done by anyone, but it greatly involves the logic of choice whether you pick the card or stay. We are well aware of how Ponzi scheme works and this may sound as cliché, but no Ponzi scheme based page wouldn't explicitly state, that we are not able to pay the money if it is lost, as we are not using money from one investor to insure money of the other one. In other words no scam page would have so many disclaimers, because in order for scam to work, you have to promise people that they risk nothing and the gain certain, you have to make the page appealing and perfect. We do not do that. We try to explain that there are risks. Our playing strategy is not foolproof and as my friend stated before the beta tests were ran in order to find out, what kind of risk is to be taken in order to get appropriate gain and if such ratio between risk/gain/used capital/invested time even exists.

And the results we achieved were satisfying. The playing strategy we devised through personal experiences, the said simulator and mathematical assumptions that were taken and consequently confirmed or confuted all resulted in this: we claim that we have a mechanism, which allows to make up to 45% of given money under reasonable risk and invested time.
copper member
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Feel free to have a look at the warning about us being a ponzi scheme and the reason why there is a negative rating on our profile below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-honest-invest-ponzi-scheme-5345269

The reason is simple and pretty obvious. You running a Ponzi scheme which by definition is fraud/ scam. What else to see?
You offer weekly returns of 10% and monthly of 45%, totally absurd interest without any clue of what you will do for getting this percentage. We all know though that you don't do a single thing, just waiting to get as much as you can, and then... puff, Elvis just left the building!

Hello! I am one of the 3 people who run honestinvest.net, my friend told me about some of the arguments, which were stated here. I am here to try to explain, who we are, what are we doing and why are the returns we offer not so unreasonable.

As my friend mentioned, we are a group of 3 people who offer investment opportunities. We try to work and disclose as much information as we can about how we make the promised returns, what are the risks and so on... As stated before we play blackjack with the invested money, I can not disclose much about how we play since it really could be done by anyone, but it greatly involves the logic of choice whether you pick the card or stay. We are well aware of how Ponzi scheme works and this may sound as cliché, but no Ponzi scheme based page wouldn't explicitly state, that we are not able to pay the money if it is lost, as we are not using money from one investor to insure money of the other one. In other words no scam page would have so many disclaimers, because in order for scam to work, you have to promise people that they risk nothing and the gain certain, you have to make the page appealing and perfect. We do not do that. We try to explain that there are risks. Our playing strategy is not foolproof and as my friend stated before the beta tests were ran in order to find out, what kind of risk is to be taken in order to get appropriate gain and if such ratio between risk/gain/used capital/invested time even exists.
copper member
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
Feel free to have a look at the warning about us being a ponzi scheme and the reason why there is a negative rating on our profile below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-honest-invest-ponzi-scheme-5345269

The reason is simple and pretty obvious. You running a Ponzi scheme which by definition is fraud/ scam. What else to see?
You offer weekly returns of 10% and monthly of 45%, totally absurd interest without any clue of what you will do for getting this percentage. We all know though that you don't do a single thing, just waiting to get as much as you can, and then... puff, Elvis just left the building!

Hello! I am one of the 3 people who run honestinvest.net, my friend told me about some of the arguments, which were stated here. I am here to try to explain, who we are, what are we doing and why are the returns we offer not so unreasonable.
legendary
Activity: 3164
Merit: 1127
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Its useless to try to change the minds of people who are already decided.

someone comes to a forum where everyone is anonymous and says:

invest your money on my site and I will give you 45% monthly in return.

man you don't think it's fair for anyone to ask why you need other people's money; what kind of business do you do to be able to offer these returns and also demand proof?

if it were you in place of any other member what would you do? Would you give your precious money to someone you don't know who hasn't shown proof?

We will either post our results here soon or we will fail with our own money.

you haven't shown it before because you have nothing to show, you don't play in the casinos, you're running a ponzi scheme and no doubt the first chance you get you'll run away with other people's money

if you played in casinos and could get 45% returns per month you wouldn't need other people's money. even with $100 you could make your bankroll very big in a short time if you had a 45% return per month. imagining that you are 3 people and each one takes $200, you would have $600 and in a few months having a return of 45% you would have a big bankroll and would not need other people's money
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 1104
This is what I do. I drink and I know things.
Its useless to try to change the minds of people who are already decided.

We are decided because you can't prove us wrong and it's not useless to try to convince us/ others, unless you really can't.

We will either post our results here soon or we will fail with our own money.

You should have done this from the start with your tests/ beta/ gamma runs and then to ask others for money/ "investments".
FYI I have never seen anyone investing in others gamble... Undecided
copper member
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Its useless to try to change the minds of people who are already decided.

We will either post our results here soon or we will fail with our own money.
legendary
Activity: 3164
Merit: 1127
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
as @condoras said and i also go along the same line of thought as @condoras, i can conclude that you are not making money with casinos, you are running ponzi scheme and have a high chance of running away with money from all the people who delude themselves with your site .

take a good look at what you explained and ask yourself if it makes any sense:

1 - we have accounts in a few, where we were playing during our "beta" tests, as we are just starting the real runs (we were waiting for the simulations and edited our strategy according to them) we dont really have anything to show yet, all our test runs have busted (of course), but the minimum profit we have achieved before busting was around 300%, we were basically just winging it as we didnt have the proper probabilities and the averages from our simulator yet, that is why we have decided to offer the plans we offer.

if you went to a bank to ask for a loan, the chances of the bank giving you the loan would be 0%

if you went to any site or were to ask an investor to invest in your project, those investors would refuse right away.

Why? because you cannot show proof of your results and will ask:

why do you need more money?

2 - the minimum value should be around 50$ as that is the minimum we decided is worth to get the minimum profits (for us and investors), we have to spend a considerable amount of time in front of the computer per day to get to the promised profits, so we really dont want to do it for near nothing.

how much money do you three have in your bankroll to play in the casinos?

3 - yes that is correct, why should there be a reason to show our faces on the internet ? Its a crypto world, anynomity is one of the main points of it.

the nature of your venture does not need to be anonymous, it can be a good thing not to be anonymous, but in the end I also know that it can be dangerous if you are not anonymous because when you cheat and steal you would be easily found
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 1104
This is what I do. I drink and I know things.
We thank you for your feedback.

1 - you are in a forum where there are dozens of casino threads, why you do not create accounts in these casinos and play there and then come show your results? this way you will have a little more transparency than what you really do to earn money

2 - this minimum value is exaggerated, many ponzis offer $10 as a minimum investment value in all plans, and this minimum withdrawal value is also a very high value, you should offer a lower value something like $1 as a minimum value of withdrawal.

3 - 3 people that say they earn money honestly are hiding their faces?

1 - we have accounts in a few, where we were playing during our "beta" tests, as we are just starting the real runs (we were waiting for the simulations and edited our strategy according to them) we dont really have anything to show yet, all our test runs have busted (of course), but the minimum profit we have achieved before busting was around 300%, we were basically just winging it as we didnt have the proper probabilities and the averages from our simulator yet, that is why we have decided to offer the plans we offer.

2 - the minimum value should be around 50$ as that is the minimum we decided is worth to get the minimum profits (for us and investors), we have to spend a considerable amount of time in front of the computer per day to get to the promised profits, so we really dont want to do it for near nothing.

3 - yes that is correct, why should there be a reason to show our faces on the internet ? Its a crypto world, anynomity is one of the main points of it.

1- Your "beta" tests going to waste (of course) but you are just starting to play for "real runs". Can you explain a bit this sentence of yours? You run the simulations when you playing "beta". So since you start the real, there is no simulation. You play, period. Then you make 300% but you continue to play with the excuse that your so-called simulator didn't have the proper probabilities and that's the reason that you offer this amazing opportunity... What nonsense is this, man?! Cheesy

2- Oh, you now know the minimum profit? Don't tell me that's the 300% before busting! Please, spare us from the excuse that you will spend even 1 minute in front of a screen but even if you did, the problem is that you don't do it with your money.

3- That's right! So you will trust your funds to a total stranger that wants to gamble with your money? A person that the only thing that he says is nonsense with no proof and only guaranty "his word"? Well no, you don't. Cool
copper member
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We thank you for your feedback.

1 - you are in a forum where there are dozens of casino threads, why you do not create accounts in these casinos and play there and then come show your results? this way you will have a little more transparency than what you really do to earn money

2 - this minimum value is exaggerated, many ponzis offer $10 as a minimum investment value in all plans, and this minimum withdrawal value is also a very high value, you should offer a lower value something like $1 as a minimum value of withdrawal.

3 - 3 people that say they earn money honestly are hiding their faces?

1 - we have accounts in a few, where we were playing during our "beta" tests, as we are just starting the real runs (we were waiting for the simulations and edited our strategy according to them) we dont really have anything to show yet, all our test runs have busted (of course), but the minimum profit we have achieved before busting was around 300%, we were basically just winging it as we didnt have the proper probabilities and the averages from our simulator yet, that is why we have decided to offer the plans we offer.

2 - the minimum value should be around 50$ as that is the minimum we decided is worth to get the minimum profits (for us and investors), we have to spend a considerable amount of time in front of the computer per day to get to the promised profits, so we really dont want to do it for near nothing.

3 - yes that is correct, why should there be a reason to show our faces on the internet ? Its a crypto world, anynomity is one of the main points of it.
legendary
Activity: 3164
Merit: 1127
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
We thank you for your feedback.

1 - you are in a forum where there are dozens of casino threads, why you do not create accounts in these casinos and play there and then come show your results? this way you will have a little more transparency than what you really do to earn money

2 - this minimum value is exaggerated, many ponzis offer $10 as a minimum investment value in all plans, and this minimum withdrawal value is also a very high value, you should offer a lower value something like $1 as a minimum value of withdrawal.

3 - 3 people that say they earn money honestly are hiding their faces?
copper member
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Only results can a bit. As soon/if we get some investors and people will see that we really do what we tell on our website maybe the opinion will change.

Since you already state that you don't actually need anyone's money, you don't have to "wait" for investors to prove that you say the truth. Besides, your strategy is working without limits, right? So better start building your reputation by proving your sayings with your own money and then ask others for their funds.

as explained already, we are playing with our own money already. But that cant really be proved as we arent gonna release our own financial information. And yes we have to wait for investors, as only them being paid can prove that we are saying the truth, even if we released information about how our own investments are going, people like you wouldnt believe a word we say anyways, so its pretty pointless.

There are limits and they are explained on our FAQ, its gambling so there is always gonna be a bust sooner or later. Other limits are the min and max betting limits on the websites we play.
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 1104
This is what I do. I drink and I know things.
Only results can a bit. As soon/if we get some investors and people will see that we really do what we tell on our website maybe the opinion will change.

Since you already state that you don't actually need anyone's money, you don't have to "wait" for investors to prove that you say the truth. Besides, your strategy is working without limits, right? So better start building your reputation by proving your sayings with your own money and then ask others for their funds.
copper member
Activity: 19
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We understand the opinions and are glad to see some feedback, sadly nothing we say will change the minds of already decided individuals. Only results can a bit. As soon/if we get some investors and people will see that we really do what we tell on our website maybe the opinion will change.

We thank you for your feedback.
hero member
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To be honest, as much as I admire the honesty admitted, the project still fails to give any assurance to any of the investors. Although investing in general do involve some risk, the business framework of this project shouts really as a scam.

There is no guarantee that any of the promised rates would come into fruition. Even if they do mention their so-called 'secret', I doubt that it will affect the general consensus of this project tagged as a scam.
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