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HongKongCoin

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Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 05:55:10 AM

Quote from: HongKongCoin on April 09, 2014, 05:47:00 AM

Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 05:27:33 AM

Please don't try to distract people by using emotional tactic (nationalism or racism).

So basically, you don't think there is any need for auditing, and you want to do any auditing on the 2.5% premined coin. This is where the SCAM is.

Furthermore, you know your faucet is vulnerable, and you still have chosen it to "distribute" HKC to HK people. This is lack of responsibility. Moreover, this can give you room to escape any bugs found by auditing (in case it happens). This is where the SCAM is.

Last but not least, 2.5% premined HKC is not a small sum of money if HKC project succeeds. Here is my analysis:

1. HKC has max of 600 millions, block reward of 6000. 2.5% premined will end up 15 millions HKC.

2. Auroracoin has a max of 21 million and 25 coins per block. From the technical point of view, 1 HKC is equivalent to 0.119 Auroracoin.

3. Auroracoin had a max market value of 0.1 BTC per coin in early March this year. If HKC reaches similar value, 2.5% premined HKC will have a value of 178,500 BTC.

4. Now (8 April) Auroracoin has a market value of 0.0035 BTC per coin. If HKC reaches similar value, 2.5% premined HKC will have a value of 6,247.5 BTC, which is still a good sum of money.

Unfortunately, as of now, HKC has a market value of 6 satoshi per coin. Then 2.5% premined HKC has a value of 0.9 BTC.
Yes, it is a pointless scam at this moment, but this is not HKC dev's original target.

Luckily miners/traders here understand that HKC suffers from various problems (coingen coin, problematic faucet, no integrity, problematic block explorer, etc), and understand that HKC is SCAM.

No, I do not think there is a need, because the premine is too small to even cover my expenses. My worries are about development, which is why i chose a small premine. Again, many coins with small premines do not audit. Why have you chosen to target me?

Like you said, HKC value does not merit a scam. HKC value does not merit ongoing development, which I have done. The last patch I have applied to HKC is worth more than the premine. So why am I doing this "pointless scam"

Isn't the point of a scam to make money? The fact that HKC is low value, yet I continue to support it, is my proof that I did not start HKC for money.

It is my proof that I started HKC for love, because its in my blood.

Again, the faucet is not vulnerable. It works like a standard faucet. You chose to exploit a weakness of all faucets. Everyone knows a faucet can not distribute perfactly, thats why I didn't put 50% in the faucet. Your attack could be made to any coin. Again, false "evidence".

Lucky miners understand that I have invalidated all of your "evidence" yet you continue to repeat it. Because that is your tactic.

Also here are the first 50 blocks of the mine. With all block addresses, and a picture of the wallet because of Vikings statement.
....
pic of wallet

Thanks for posting the wallet of premined coins. What is left is that you need to
1. Build a block explorer which works OK.
2a. Finding a third party to audit whether 2.5% premined coins will be only distributed via IP addresses belonging to HK.
Or 2b. NO auditing, then change the coin name to one which is not related to HK

P.S. For those non-nationa/non-regional coins, 2.5% premined do not need auditing. HKC needs auditing because of their claim - 2.5% premined for HK people.

These are your desires, they are not requirements.

The community will eventually build multiple block explorers. That is how it works, not every dev team is large enough to build all of the tools. The blockchain is freely available. I have to chose how to wisely devote my time to core development, because I am not being paid, and still have a day job.

Auditing of a small premine that is made for promotion is a choice. It doesn't matter if the coin is regional or global. A global coin does not have to audit because they are distributing primarily by mining and exchanges. Just because i limited the faucet to HK does not change that, it is still the same. The distribution method is still the same, mining and exchanges.

You have a right to not support or use HKC if you do not agree.

cryptobuddy

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Quote from: HongKongCoin on April 09, 2014, 05:47:00 AM

Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 05:27:33 AM

Please don't try to distract people by using emotional tactic (nationalism or racism).

So basically, you don't think there is any need for auditing, and you want to do any auditing on the 2.5% premined coin. This is where the SCAM is.

Furthermore, you know your faucet is vulnerable, and you still have chosen it to "distribute" HKC to HK people. This is lack of responsibility. Moreover, this can give you room to escape any bugs found by auditing (in case it happens). This is where the SCAM is.

Last but not least, 2.5% premined HKC is not a small sum of money if HKC project succeeds. Here is my analysis:

1. HKC has max of 600 millions, block reward of 6000. 2.5% premined will end up 15 millions HKC.

2. Auroracoin has a max of 21 million and 25 coins per block. From the technical point of view, 1 HKC is equivalent to 0.119 Auroracoin.

3. Auroracoin had a max market value of 0.1 BTC per coin in early March this year. If HKC reaches similar value, 2.5% premined HKC will have a value of 178,500 BTC.

4. Now (8 April) Auroracoin has a market value of 0.0035 BTC per coin. If HKC reaches similar value, 2.5% premined HKC will have a value of 6,247.5 BTC, which is still a good sum of money.

Unfortunately, as of now, HKC has a market value of 6 satoshi per coin. Then 2.5% premined HKC has a value of 0.9 BTC.
Yes, it is a pointless scam at this moment, but this is not HKC dev's original target.

Luckily miners/traders here understand that HKC suffers from various problems (coingen coin, problematic faucet, no integrity, problematic block explorer, etc), and understand that HKC is SCAM.

No, I do not think there is a need, because the premine is too small to even cover my expenses. My worries are about development, which is why i chose a small premine. Again, many coins with small premines do not audit. Why have you chosen to target me?

Like you said, HKC value does not merit a scam. HKC value does not merit ongoing development, which I have done. The last patch I have applied to HKC is worth more than the premine. So why am I doing this "pointless scam"

Isn't the point of a scam to make money? The fact that HKC is low value, yet I continue to support it, is my proof that I did not start HKC for money.

It is my proof that I started HKC for love, because its in my blood.

Again, the faucet is not vulnerable. It works like a standard faucet. You chose to exploit a weakness of all faucets. Everyone knows a faucet can not distribute perfactly, thats why I didn't put 50% in the faucet. Your attack could be made to any coin. Again, false "evidence".

Lucky miners understand that I have invalidated all of your "evidence" yet you continue to repeat it. Because that is your tactic.

Also here are the first 50 blocks of the mine. With all block addresses, and a picture of the wallet because of Vikings statement.
....
pic of wallet

Thanks for posting the wallet of premined coins. What is left is that you need to
1. Build a block explorer which works OK.
2a. Finding a third party to audit whether 2.5% premined coins will be only distributed via IP addresses belonging to HK.
Or 2b. NO auditing, then change the coin name to one which is not related to HK

P.S. For those non-nationa/non-regional coins, 2.5% premined do not need auditing. HKC needs auditing because of their claim - 2.5% premined for HK people.

HongKongCoin

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Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 05:27:33 AM

Please don't try to distract people by using emotional tactic (nationalism or racism).

So basically, you don't think there is any need for auditing, and you want to do any auditing on the 2.5% premined coin. This is where the SCAM is.

Furthermore, you know your faucet is vulnerable, and you still have chosen it to "distribute" HKC to HK people. This is lack of responsibility. Moreover, this can give you room to escape any bugs found by auditing (in case it happens). This is where the SCAM is.

Last but not least, 2.5% premined HKC is not a small sum of money if HKC project succeeds. Here is my analysis:

1. HKC has max of 600 millions, block reward of 6000, and 2.5% premine. It will end up 15 millions HKC.

2. Auroracoin has a max of 21 million and 25 coins per block. From the technical point of view, 1 HKC is equivalent to 0.119 Auroracoin.

3. Auroracoin had a max market value of 0.1 BTC per coin in early March this year. If HKC reaches similar value, 2.5% premined HKC will have a value of 178,500 BTC.

4. Now (8 April) Auroracoin has a market value of 0.0035 BTC per coin. If HKC reaches similar value, 2.5% premined HKC will have a value of 6,247.5 BTC, which is still a good sum of money.

Unfortunately, as of now, HKC has a market value of 6 satoshi per coin. Then 2.5% premined HKC has a value of 0.9 BTC.
Yes, it is a pointless scam at this moment, but this is not HKC dev's original target.

Luckily miners/traders here understand that HKC suffers from various problems (coingen coin, problematic faucet, no integrity, problematic block explorer, etc), and understand that HKC is SCAM.

No, I do not think there is a need, because the premine is too small to even cover my expenses. My worries are about development, which is why i chose a small premine. Again, many coins with small premines do not audit. Why have you chosen to target me?

Like you said, HKC value does not merit a scam. HKC value does not merit ongoing development, which I have done. The last patch I have applied to HKC is worth more than the premine. So why am I doing this "pointless scam"

Isn't the point of a scam to make money? The fact that HKC is low value, yet I continue to support it, is my proof that I did not start HKC for money.

It is my proof that I started HKC for love, because its in my blood.

Again, the faucet is not vulnerable. It works like a standard faucet. You chose to exploit a weakness of all faucets. Everyone knows a faucet can not distribute perfactly, thats why I didn't put 50% in the faucet. Your attack could be made to any coin. Again, false "evidence".

Lucky miners understand that I have invalidated all of your "evidence" yet you continue to repeat it. Because that is your tactic.

Also here are the first 50 blocks of the mine. With all block addresses, and a picture of the wallet because of Vikings statement.

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cryptobuddy

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Quote from: HongKongCoin on April 09, 2014, 05:17:08 AM

Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 04:58:03 AM

Right.. by reading snapshot of 1 or 2 pieces of evidence, my argument can be weak. However, please read ALL evidence listed in the first post of this thread in details. Then one probably will agree with my argument.

Last but not least, I shall let Bitcointalk members here to judge by themselves.

3. Your other "evidence" is that because I chose to solo mine 2.5% that means its coingen. Again, this is personal choice, that i made because I knew I wanted a small premine for a faucet, but I didn't know if it would be 1% or 2 or 3. Many coins solo mine premine, there is nothing strange about it. But you have chosen again to call this "evidence".

4. You claim that I was not born in Hong Kong, but yet you haven't proven that. You claim that i need to show you proof, but that is not standard for a developer to do. Yet you expect me to do it. Because you are special.

5. The auditing of the faucet. If the premine was 50% I would have gone out of my way to make sure everything was audited. The tiny premine was done for promotional reasons. Hong Kong Coin primary distribution is supposed to be by mining and exchanges. I said that from the beginning, but you have chosen to ignore this.

6. Faucet vulnerability. I addressed this already. The vulnerability you claim is shared by every faucet in existence.

Like i said, no real evidence. Only smear tactics. Your real problem is xenophobia. Your real problem is mainland China. You just want proof i was born in Hong Kong. All of your evidence is worthless. But to a novice who doesn't understand they may believe you.

Please don't try to distract people by using emotional tactic (nationalism or racism).

So basically, you don't think there is any need for auditing, and you don't want to do any auditing on the 2.5% premined coin. This is where the SCAM is.

Furthermore, you know your faucet is vulnerable, and you still have chosen it to "distribute" HKC to HK people. This is lack of responsibility. Moreover, this can give you room to escape from any "bugs" found by auditing (in case it happens). This is where the SCAM is.

The 2.5% premined coins in the premined blocks are not traceable with the current HKC block explorer. It appears that something has been hidden.

Last but not least, 2.5% premined HKC is not a small sum of money if HKC project succeeds. Here is my analysis:

1. HKC has max of 600 millions, block reward of 6000. 2.5% premined will end up 15 millions HKC.

2. Auroracoin has a max of 21 million and 25 coins per block. From the technical point of view, 1 HKC is equivalent to 0.119 Auroracoin.

3. Auroracoin had a peak market value of 0.1 BTC per coin in early March this year. If HKC reaches similar value, 2.5% premined HKC will have a value of 178,500 BTC.

4. Now (8 April) Auroracoin has a market value of 0.0035 BTC per coin. If HKC reaches similar value, 2.5% premined HKC will have a value of 6,247.5 BTC, which is still a good sum of money.

Unfortunately, as of now, HKC has a market value of 6 satoshi per coin. Then 2.5% premined HKC has a value of 0.9 BTC.
Yes, it is a pointless scam at this moment, but this is not HKC dev's original target.

Luckily miners/traders here understand that HKC suffers from various problems (coingen coin, problematic faucet, no integrity, problematic block explorer, etc), and understand that HKC is SCAM.

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Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 04:58:03 AM

Quote from: HongKongCoin on April 09, 2014, 04:46:30 AM

Your evidence would not hold up in any court of law.

Here is one example of your "Evidence"

1. Hong Kong Coin addresses start with "1". Coingencoin addresses start with "1", that means HKC is most likely coingen.

How is that evidence? Because I chose to use the default parameter and not change the starting address? Many other coins start with 1. But you will take this flimsy evidence and repeats over and over, because you know people who don't understand how coins work will believe you.

2. Everyone posting support for HKC is the HKC developer or works for them.

How can all of the people that support HKC work for me? You have even connected me to bittrex imposters in this thread because one of my supporters replied to one.

In this thread.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/evidence-is-hongkongcoin-dev-team-the-bittrex-poloniex-imposters-in-forum-530895

3. Accused me of supporting outside casinos with no evidence. Your only evidence is that the casinos support few coins.

You
Now you are accusing me of scamming again based on a malfunctioning run.

There are countless other examples.

What you are running is an smear campaign. You are doing this for one sole purpose Xenophobia. You have a serious contempt for Mainland Chinese. Your fight is not based on defending people from scams.

I will post real evidence soon to show the mining transactions inside the HKC wallet. But you will continue, because your not here to "protect" people. Your hear because of your xenophobia.

Right.. by reading snapshot of 1 or 2 pieces of evidence, my argument can be weak. However, please read ALL evidence listed in the first post of this thread in details. Then one probably will agree with my argument.

Last but not least, I shall let Bitcointalk members here to judge by themselves.

3. Your other "evidence" is that because I chose to solo mine 2.5% that means its coingen. Again, this is personal choice, that i made because I knew I wanted a small premine for a faucet, but I didn't know if it would be 1% or 2 or 3. Many coins solo mine premine, there is nothing strange about it. But you have chosen again to call this "evidence".

4. You claim that I was not born in Hong Kong, but yet you haven't proven that. You claim that i need to show you proof, but that is not standard for a developer to do. Yet you expect me to do it. Because you are special.

5. The auditing of the faucet. If the premine was 50% I would have gone out of my way to make sure everything was audited. The tiny premine was done for promotional reasons. Hong Kong Coin primary distribution is supposed to be by mining and exchanges. I said that from the beginning, but you have chosen to ignore this.

6. Faucet vulnerability. I addressed this already. The vulnerability you claim is shared by every faucet in existence.

Like i said, no real evidence. Only smear tactics. Your real problem is xenophobia. Your real problem is mainland China. You just want proof i was born in Hong Kong. All of your evidence is worthless. But to a novice who doesn't understand they may believe you.

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Quote from: HongKongCoin on April 09, 2014, 04:46:30 AM

Your evidence would not hold up in any court of law.

Here is one example of your "Evidence"

1. Hong Kong Coin addresses start with "1". Coingencoin addresses start with "1", that means HKC is most likely coingen.

How is that evidence? Because I chose to use the default parameter and not change the starting address? Many other coins start with 1. But you will take this flimsy evidence and repeats over and over, because you know people who don't understand how coins work will believe you.

2. Everyone posting support for HKC is the HKC developer or works for them.

How can all of the people that support HKC work for me? You have even connected me to bittrex imposters in this thread because one of my supporters replied to one.

In this thread.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/evidence-is-hongkongcoin-dev-team-the-bittrex-poloniex-imposters-in-forum-530895

3. Accused me of supporting outside casinos with no evidence. Your only evidence is that the casinos support few coins.

You
Now you are accusing me of scamming again based on a malfunctioning run.

There are countless other examples.

What you are running is an smear campaign. You are doing this for one sole purpose Xenophobia. You have a serious contempt for Mainland Chinese. Your fight is not based on defending people from scams.

I will post real evidence soon to show the mining transactions inside the HKC wallet. But you will continue, because your not here to "protect" people. Your hear because of your xenophobia.

Right.. by reading snapshot of 1 or 2 pieces of evidence, my argument can be weak. However, please read ALL evidence listed in the first post of this thread in details. Then one probably will agree with my argument.

Last but not least, I shall let Bitcointalk members here judge by themselves.

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Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 04:29:21 AM

Quote from: HongKongCoin on April 09, 2014, 04:21:17 AM

Quote from: 111magic on April 09, 2014, 02:01:35 AM

It seems like you have only one goal. You want to destroy this coin. Why? Let people make their own choise! Do you do that with all altcoins?
As a reader, it looks more like you have a personal issue with the dev of HKC.
You can see that there are many reactions at country coins. The question for the reader is always why people post messages about country coins.
Are they sincere? Are they jealous? Did they want to launch that currency?
I myself think that not everyone in the coins will become filthy rich.
For many people it is a hobby and have fun.

Enjoy life!
Enjoy coins! Grin

That is his goal. Destruction of the Coin because he believes I wasn't born in HK.

Every argument he makes is a lie in order to destroy the coin.

The coingen lie.
The bittrex lie
The premine scam lie

Every lie is because he believes the developers are from Mainland China.

He will keep making up lies, because he has a personal vendetta. He has 0 credibility.

As he said himself, he will stop all inquiries when I show I was born in Hong Kong.

He will keep lieing to all of you, until I show him Idenfitication, which no other dev has to do.

His problem with HKC is one of nationalism and racism. He thinks I am from Mainland China, and that I have no right to build Hong Kong Coin.

The real problem is how badly moderated this forum is, and how any crazy troll can keep posting things over and over.

I will let people here to judge whether I am telling lies or not. I am sure they are smart enough to make their own judgement.

> "As he said himself, he will stop all inquiries when I show I was born in Hong Kong."
Probably, HKC dev has forgot that I have said 'I will stop all inquires after HKC dev has clarify whether he comes from HK with "evidence"'. Unfortunately, no evidence has been provided.

Please don't be distracted by HKC dev with the emotional words of "nationalism and racism". All my posts are related to the problematic nature of HKC and personal integrity of HKC dev, which strongly suggest HKC is a SCAM.

All pieces of evidence that I posted are real, reproducible and/or traceable.

Your evidence would not hold up in any court of law.

Here is one example of your "Evidence"

1. Hong Kong Coin addresses start with "1". Coingencoin addresses start with "1", that means HKC is most likely coingen.

How is that evidence? Because I chose to use the default parameter and not change the starting address? Many other coins start with 1. But you will take this flimsy evidence and repeats over and over, because you know people who don't understand how coins work will believe you.

2. Everyone posting support for HKC is the HKC developer or works for them.

How can all of the people that support HKC work for me? You have even connected me to bittrex imposters in this thread because one of my supporters replied to one.

In this thread.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/evidence-is-hongkongcoin-dev-team-the-bittrex-poloniex-imposters-in-forum-530895

3. Accused me of supporting outside casinos with no evidence. Your only evidence is that the casinos support few coins.

You
Now you are accusing me of scamming again based on a malfunctioning block explorer, that I don't own.

There are countless other examples.

What you are running is an smear campaign. You are doing this for one sole purpose Xenophobia. You have a serious contempt for Mainland Chinese. Your fight is not based on defending people from scams.

I will post real evidence soon to show the mining transactions inside the HKC wallet. But you will continue, because your not here to "protect" people. Your here because of your xenophobia.

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Quote from: HongKongCoin on April 09, 2014, 04:21:17 AM

Quote from: 111magic on April 09, 2014, 02:01:35 AM

It seems like you have only one goal. You want to destroy this coin. Why? Let people make their own choise! Do you do that with all altcoins?
As a reader, it looks more like you have a personal issue with the dev of HKC.
You can see that there are many reactions at country coins. The question for the reader is always why people post messages about country coins.
Are they sincere? Are they jealous? Did they want to launch that currency?
I myself think that not everyone in the coins will become filthy rich.
For many people it is a hobby and have fun.

Enjoy life!
Enjoy coins! Grin

That is his goal. Destruction of the Coin because he believes I wasn't born in HK.

Every argument he makes is a lie in order to destroy the coin.

The coingen lie.
The bittrex lie
The premine scam lie

Every lie is because he believes the developers are from Mainland China.

He will keep making up lies, because he has a personal vendetta. He has 0 credibility.

As he said himself, he will stop all inquiries when I show I was born in Hong Kong.

He will keep lieing to all of you, until I show him Idenfitication, which no other dev has to do.

His problem with HKC is one of nationalism and racism. He thinks I am from Mainland China, and that I have no right to build Hong Kong Coin.

The real problem is how badly moderated this forum is, and how any crazy troll can keep posting things over and over.

All pieces of evidence that I posted are real, reproducible and/or traceable.

I will let people here to judge whether I am telling lies or not. I am sure they are smart enough to make their own judgement.

> "As he said himself, he will stop all inquiries when I show I was born in Hong Kong."
Probably, HKC dev has forgot that I have said 'I will stop all inquires after HKC dev has clarify whether he comes from HK with "evidence"'. Unfortunately, no evidence has been provided.

Please don't be distracted by HKC dev with the emotional words of "nationalism and racism". All my posts are related to the problematic nature of HKC and personal integrity of HKC dev, which strongly suggest HKC is a SCAM.

It is fine that HKC dev is not coming from or was not born in Hong Kong. He still has the freedom to create the HongKongCoin. However, this should be stated out clearly, but not pretending to be a HongKonger (without evidence) to gain the trust from people.

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Quote from: 111magic on April 09, 2014, 02:01:35 AM

It seems like you have only one goal. You want to destroy this coin. Why? Let people make their own choise! Do you do that with all altcoins?
As a reader, it looks more like you have a personal issue with the dev of HKC.
You can see that there are many reactions at country coins. The question for the reader is always why people post messages about country coins.
Are they sincere? Are they jealous? Did they want to launch that currency?
I myself think that not everyone in the coins will become filthy rich.
For many people it is a hobby and have fun.

Enjoy life!
Enjoy coins! Grin

That is his goal. Destruction of the Coin because he believes I wasn't born in HK.

Every argument he makes is a lie in order to destroy the coin.

The coingen lie.
The bittrex lie
The premine scam lie

Every lie is because he believes the developers are from Mainland China.

He will keep making up lies, because he has a personal vendetta. He has 0 credibility.

As he said himself, he will stop all inquiries when I show I was born in Hong Kong.

He will keep lieing to all of you, until I show him Idenfitication, which no other dev has to do.

His problem with HKC is one of nationalism and racism. He thinks I am from Mainland China, and that I have no right to build Hong Kong Coin.

The real problem is how badly moderated this forum is, and how any crazy troll can keep posting things over and over.

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Quote from: 111magic on April 09, 2014, 02:15:38 AM

But why in this coin?
Do you do this with other currencies?

Huh

Maybe you haven't read my previous posts.

As mentioned before, I am 100% hongkonger. I love Hong Kong, and believe that HKC is SCAM. Therefore, I stand out and spend my time to prevent the fame of Hong Kong from being damaged because of HKC.

Therefore, I only focus on HKC, but not other coins.

P.S. For other altcoins, I am minting some of them. However, I haven't minted any national/regional coins.

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Quote from: poornamelessme on April 09, 2014, 02:14:09 AM

Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 02:09:58 AM

This is the cost for claiming oneself "born in Hong Kong", and launching a cryptocurrency named HongKongCoin.

Every decision comes with a cost.

Nah, I strongly disagree there. No other nation coin dev (or any coin dev, for that matter) have paid that kind of cost as of yet. I think you are the only one, for any coin, asking for personal info like that here. To most people, it's sort of irrelevant.

Again, some evidence of being from HK, without personal info, should be enough.

Never mind for this disagreement. HKC dev has the right not providing the proof that I request. Then I have the right to keep this query going.

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But why in this coin?
Do you do this with other currencies?

Huh

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Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 02:09:58 AM

This is the cost for claiming oneself "born in Hong Kong", and launching a cryptocurrency named HongKongCoin.

Every decision comes with a cost.

Nah, I strongly disagree there. No other nation coin dev (or any coin dev, for that matter) have paid that kind of cost as of yet. I think you are the only one, for any coin, asking for personal info like that here. To most people, it's sort of irrelevant.

Again, some evidence of being from HK, without personal info, should be enough.

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Quote from: poornamelessme on April 09, 2014, 02:05:16 AM

Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 01:50:41 AM

Recently, there has been voices in Bitcointalk. People are looking for coin developers using real name.

For example, Evan Eddufield who is developer of Darkcoin; Rob Halförd who is developer of Gridcoin; Charles Lee for Litecoin

Furthermore, HKC dev team is saying that they will run a HKC conference in HK in Aug this year. By then, HKC dev's real name must be exposed. This is no harm for HKC dev to disclose his real identity now.

Mentioning one's real name is one thing. I'm actually all for devs mentioning who they are. But asking for not only his real name, but his real name + place of birth and any other personal info you want to determine he's not only the dev, but was born in HK? I think that is too much.

If you went into the DarkCoin thread and asked the dev for a copy of his birth certificate or some proof of where he lives, I expect he'd be very hesitant. It's an issue of safety.

This is the cost for claiming oneself "born in Hong Kong", and launching a cryptocurrency named HongKongCoin.

Every decision comes with a cost.

Quote from: HongKongCoin on March 21, 2014, 08:46:19 AM

..... ALSO I DO NOT SPEAK CANTONESE AND DO NOT CURRENTLY LIVE IN HONG KONG BUT I WAS BORN IN HONG KONG AND MADE THIS COIN BECAUSE IT IS IN MY BLOOD.... .

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Quote from: 111magic on April 09, 2014, 02:01:35 AM

It seems like you have only one goal. You want to destroy this coin. Why? Let people make their own choise! Do you do that with all altcoins?
As a reader, it looks more like you have a personal issue with the dev of HKC.
You can see that there are many reactions at country coins. The question for the reader is always why people post messages about country coins.
Are they sincere? Are they jealous? Did they want to launch that currency?
I myself think that not everyone in the coins will become filthy rich.
For many people it is a hobby and have fun.

Enjoy life!
Enjoy coins! Grin

Everybody has their own choices. You have freedom to post in my thread (as my thread is not self-moderated). I have freedom to list out the evidence for people here to judge.

You have the freedom to think cryptocoin is for fun. I have the freedom to have a serious attitude on cryptocoin, which I believe is a decentralized currency for future.

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Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 01:50:41 AM

Recently, there has been voices in Bitcointalk. People are looking for coin developers using real name.

For example, Evan Eddufield who is developer of Darkcoin; Rob Halförd who is developer of Gridcoin; Charles Lee for Litecoin

Furthermore, HKC dev team is saying that they will run a HKC conference in HK in Aug this year. By then, HKC dev's real name must be exposed. This is no harm for HKC dev to disclose his real identity now.

Mentioning one's real name is one thing. I'm actually all for devs mentioning who they are. But asking for not only his real name, but his real name + place of birth and any other personal info you want to determine he's not only the dev, but was born in HK? I think that is too much.

If you went into the DarkCoin thread and asked the dev for a copy of his birth certificate or some proof of where he lives, I expect he'd be very hesitant. It's an issue of safety.

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It seems like you have only one goal. You want to destroy this coin. Why? Let people make their own choise! Do you do that with all altcoins?
As a reader, it looks more like you have a personal issue with the dev of HKC.
You can see that there are many reactions at country coins. The question for the reader is always why people post messages about country coins.
Are they sincere? Are they jealous? Did they want to launch that currency?
I myself think that not everyone in the coins will become filthy rich.
For many people it is a hobby and have fun.

Enjoy life!
Enjoy coins! Grin

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Quote from: poornamelessme on April 09, 2014, 01:36:51 AM

Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 01:27:47 AM

Thanks for your suggestion. HKC dev said that he was only born in HK, but was brought up in another country. What he may only have is the HK birth certificate.
To verify the place of birth, we need a national official doc with his photo, name and place of birth (should be Hong Kong).
Even someone showed up with the document. We need a way to prove that the guy showing up is really HKC dev, but not HKC imposter.

It's unrealistic to ask for all of that. No dev is going to post personal info... don't forget, there are security issues too. Most people wouldn't feel comfortable posting their birth certificates, with all info on it, for anyone to see on the web.

And there is no way to prove the certificate belongs to the dev, unless you personally go visit him, and see him coding. I simply offered a suggestion that could be deemed fair and provides some proof that he has some relationship with HK. I don't think you can really ask for more than that.

Recently, there have been voices in Bitcointalk. People are looking for coin developers using real name.

For example, Evan Eddufield who is developer of Darkcoin; Rob Halförd who is developer of Gridcoin; Charles Lee for Litecoin

Furthermore, HKC dev team is saying that they will run a HKC conference in HK in Aug this year. By then, HKC dev's real name must be exposed. This is no harm for HKC dev to disclose his real identity now.

Quote from: majorminers on March 27, 2014, 08:25:46 PM

I guess I'll be meeting him this August when he hold our first ever Hong Kong Coin Conference in the center of Hong Kong. I'm sure it will be the highlight of both our lives. Thanks for your continued interest in the project and make sure to stop back for updates.

Here is thread about the cryptocoins made by developers with real name.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-coins-with-devs-that-use-there-real-names-529089

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Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 01:27:47 AM

Thanks for your suggestion. HKC dev said that he was only born in HK, but was brought up in another country. What he may only have is the HK birth certificate.
To verify the place of birth, we need a national official doc with his photo, name and place of birth (should be Hong Kong).
Even someone showed up with the document. We need a way to prove that the guy showing up is really HKC dev, but not HKC imposter.

It's unrealistic to ask for all of that. No dev is going to post personal info... don't forget, there are security issues too. Most people wouldn't feel comfortable posting their birth certificates, with all info on it, for anyone to see on the web.

And there is no way to prove the certificate belongs to the dev, unless you personally go visit him, and see him coding. I simply offered a suggestion that could be deemed fair and provides some proof that he has some relationship with HK. I don't think you can really ask for more than that.

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Quote from: poornamelessme on April 09, 2014, 01:18:51 AM

Quote from: cryptobuddy on April 09, 2014, 01:04:42 AM

Finally, seems that we reach an agreement on at least 1 point.

Yeah, amazingly.

I'll even offer up one other suggestion. To put to rest the dev's HK nationality, ask him to post a Hong Kong document -- school records, certificate, HK newspaper, whatever... something that is clearly from HK. If it has any personal info on it, he can black that out. Would that be satisfactory to you?

Again, no dev will give personal info out here. It's nutty to ask that. But to me it'd be fair if he simply posted something showing a HK association... at least you know he could be telling the truth then.

Thanks for your suggestion. HKC dev said that he was only born in HK, but was brought up in another country. What he may only have is the HK birth certificate.
To verify the place of birth, we need a national official doc with his photo, name and place of birth (should be Hong Kong).
Even someone showed up with the document. We need a way to prove that the guy showing up is really HKC dev, but not HKC imposter.

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