Topic: How about a solar power source for pop one price mining - page 4. (Read 1184 times)

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[quote author=Sandal_Hat link=topic=1931762.msg39139708#msg39139708 date=1527859476]
I think the only household like item that would work for mining is if they put mining chips directly into solar cells and it is probably gonna be a small amount of mining chips per solar cell since solar generates so little power. The chips should be working 24/7 and housed waterproof somehow lol. Or better still, do wat tesla does and put solar cells into roofing with the chips. That might actually work, where the solar is located on the roof outside and generates electricity and the chips are located on the inside of the house and creates heat and btc. The good news is that it will never turn unprofitable haha.
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This is a good idea.  A long term rebate never ending.  Just declining a bit.

Avalon would do well with this idea.

my partner buysolar and I are looking to develop a Pay One Price  solar miner.

Your have something here.  Build chips into a panel and mine a bit. Not bad.
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[quote author=Sandal_Hat link=topic=1931762.msg39253220#msg39253220 date=1528002417]
[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=1931762.msg39145345#msg39145345 date=1527863708]
This is a good idea.  A long term rebate never ending.  Just declining a bit.

Avalon would do well with this idea.

my partner buysolar and I are looking to develop a Pay One Price  solar miner.

Your have something here.  Build chips into a panel and mine a bit. Not bad.
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Pay one price solar miner? Buy solar is a solar company I guess
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=1931762.msg39287231#msg39287231 date=1528036625]
[quote author=Sandal_Hat link=topic=1931762.msg39253220#msg39253220 date=1528002417]
[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=1931762.msg39145345#msg39145345 date=1527863708]
This is a good idea.  A long term rebate never ending.  Just declining a bit.

Avalon would do well with this idea.

my partner buysolar and I are looking to develop a Pay One Price  solar miner.

Your have something here.  Build chips into a panel and mine a bit. Not bad.
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Pay one price solar miner? Buy solar is a solar company I guess
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Buysolar is a forum miner here.

He owns a solar install company.

We want to develop a solar powered mining device.

Building chips into panel may work.
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[quote author=sidehack link=topic=1931762.msg39289902#msg39289902 date=1528038654]
Just don't forget that the support-component costs scale per miner, not per chip, so tacking on controls and power regulation for "a few chips" costs roughly the same as for a few dozen chips which gives the "few chips" miner a much higher initial cost per hash.

You know I'm not a fan of super high power miners, but there are practical limits to how small a miner can be and still be cost-effective.
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[quote author=2112 link=topic=1931762.msg39302459#msg39302459 date=1528048110]
[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=1931762.msg39287231#msg39287231 date=1528036625]
We want to develop a solar powered mining device.

Building chips into panel may work.
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This doesn't even look like science-fiction right now, it is more of a fantasy genre.

The solar cell manufacturers can't even reliably build-in the temperature sensors or other environmental sensors. Various radio-equipment manufacturers still can't reliably integrate electronics with antennas, even though the radio equipment isn't required to be maximally exposed to the elements. 

Quite a few roof-based solar installs don't survive single year without sprouting leaks or other problems. Having recently seen the quality of workmanship on some of the solar power installations I observe a market regression in quality. Lots of them will require major repairs or will be completely torn down in the coming years.

Currently the flat, thin magnetics that would be required for power regulators are very expensive and are used only in high-end high-power CPU chips.

I'm not the one that would try to prohibit daydreaming, but people need to be aware of the distinction between dreams and reality. Otherwise it gets into the realm of either psychiatry or fraud.
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=1931762.msg39306100#msg39306100 date=1528051033]
the word [b]may[/b] covers a lot of bases.

My device won't be doing that.

It would involve panels  and dc to dc invertors .

Most of all it would be a pay one price getting you panels ,invertors, and you use a miner on the market now.

Most people would no have space for my setup since  panels  are 2 by 4 and give 220 watts.  so to run a s9 at 1300 watts you need 7 panels maybe 8.

which is a 4 by 16 foot space.  The idea of  chips built into a panel may work has nothing to do with what I am looking to develop.

your power cost is up front and you get about 1-2 dollars  a day back in power for many years.

would work nicely with an avalon 841 since warranty is 2 years.

you would need space in your back yard to run the gear. panels would install like this
these are 190 watt panels so 8 would do 1 s-9 for 5 hours a day or about 8kwatts a day

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[quote author=TheYankeesWin! link=topic=1931762.msg39306937#msg39306937 date=1528051771]
So  the avalon 841 with a two year warranty and your setup never stops earning since power is paid up front.

But 8 panels = 16 foot wide and proper sunlight. So your customer base is limited.
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=1931762.msg39307513#msg39307513 date=1528052239]
@ yankees yes  I can not put this in my own back yard  I simply have too much shade.

Not enough space for eight panels 2x4 each.

But If I can get an avalon 7nm using 400,500,600 watt settings this is a viable idea.
At the moment the avalon 841 can be reduced just under 1000 watts at  a low power setting.
Ideally  a sha miner  that has 3 settings of 400 500 600 watts  would allow me to build a 4 panel device vs an 8 panel setup
the key to this is I am hoping that  7nm devices under 1000 watts  are built by avalon.

At 2112  my setups  will not involve roof mounts or permits since the mounts will be portable.

off grid allows this in most any state.
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[quote author=2112 link=topic=1931762.msg39312836#msg39312836 date=1528056842]
DC to DC inverters?

Frankly, what you wrote isn't even sounding sane.

Trying to come up with a workable explanation:

1) DC to AC inverters
2) haul power off the field to some shed in a shade
3) rectify AC and regulate DC
4) feed miners short distance in the shed

could probably work if you buy recycled/re-manufactured/B-stock parts and still somehow manage to get politically-motivated subsidies for the cost.

I understand that not mounting on the roof would greatly simplify inspection for fire and electrical safety. But you would still require some inspection if planning on connecting to the grid or use the power in the residence/business abutting the field where all that is installed.

On a second thought I even don't think that the inspection would be easier to pass. Fire safety definitely easier; but the electrical safety would be worse: the field mounted electrical stuff would need to be made child-safe. I heard second-hand stories about that type of safety inspections and various lawsuits related to leaving dangerous equipment unattended.

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[quote author=sidehack link=topic=1931762.msg39314273#msg39314273 date=1528058082]
Unless you have children, any children getting hurt would be trespassing anyway so sucks to them. Same reason I don't understand requiring extensive fencing around a backyard pool to keep other people's kids from drowning themselves - discipline is supposed to do that for me.

Anyway, I think the idea is to have a small enclosure (a doghouse was mentioned?) probably right at the panel, to reduce the need for inverters or long wire runs. Grid tie negates some of that, but if it's not required all you'd need is internet access and nothing else travels more than a few feet. Depending on how panels are rigged, voltages could stay relatively low/safe.
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[quote author=philipma1957 link=topic=1931762.msg39317344#msg39317344 date=1528061057]
No dc to dc not dc to ac.  They exist and you would end up feeding 24 dc into 12 dc output.

They have one that can tie to the grid so it is techniqucally an inverter / converter.

Or a 12 volt output power supply that can use dc or ac.

It is more costly then the straight dc to dc converter. Which would only run in daylight.

You need to understand the value is getting. Up to  20 years of power with no additional cost.

And that it is not for an apartment dweller .  But it is for a person with some land,

If you are concerned about kids fucking with it then fence it like a dog run. After all the miner will be sitting in a doghouse :D

I will be starting a new thread on this soon. I brought it up here as we will be testing it the next few weeks.

Avalon says they want newer ways of using chips when they make the 7nm well a 400 500 600 watt miner would be good for this idea.

new thread link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415357.new#new
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