Topic: How about we start banning scammers? - page 2. (Read 1790 times)
The only thing i hate is the fact that every day we get a x amount of "i am banned" topic. The rule states that ban evasion is not allowed. So why do we still get the i am banned post. Every i am banned topic should result in an instant perma ban, with no discussion. Or is it to the community to just report every alt account that has been made to evade bans?
It's amazing to me that this forum/admins/moderators are allowing their own users to get scammed without doing anything about it. It's common sense that someone like JACC the scammer is extremely known around here and uses a self moderated thread, has been reported many many many times, has a very negative trust setting, and on top of that after I have for several weeks constantly posting on his scam thread (of course being deleted by the scammer JACC) for people to watch out, I receive an email from the mods that I should stop and that he can continue scamming.
This makes people go away from this forum. Yes, you can say, oh well, the new users need to learn about getting scammed bla bla, this can easily be avoided with some minor programming. If trust level is > certain X, reported by trusted/positive members of the forum, ban the thread/user or at least remove self moderated threads for that particular user. Simple.
Honestly, since I was scammed, I barely use this forum anymore since the mods do not want to take any action on it.
This makes people go away from this forum. Yes, you can say, oh well, the new users need to learn about getting scammed bla bla, this can easily be avoided with some minor programming. If trust level is > certain X, reported by trusted/positive members of the forum, ban the thread/user or at least remove self moderated threads for that particular user. Simple.
Honestly, since I was scammed, I barely use this forum anymore since the mods do not want to take any action on it.
I don't get why are you trying to protect everyone. This can't be done. I've read claims that people are trusting random people, ignoring threads about scammers and trust comments. It's nothing new. You have to understand that some people are lazy, careless or don't care. They want quick and easy money and are blinded by greed.
We can take cloud mining as an example. There's literally a hundred threads about that system where people are explaining that it's risky, scammy and unprofitable, but there are regularly people who post saying they put thousands of USD into cloud mining and are still waiting for a return.
Banning scammers won't change anything. Account are cheap, VPNs widely available and there are always gullible people ready to take the bait.
We can take cloud mining as an example. There's literally a hundred threads about that system where people are explaining that it's risky, scammy and unprofitable, but there are regularly people who post saying they put thousands of USD into cloud mining and are still waiting for a return.
Banning scammers won't change anything. Account are cheap, VPNs widely available and there are always gullible people ready to take the bait.
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what new security features? ive only been back on the forum for a few months now, either i missed this announcement or this happened before that, mind filling me in? -
forgot to address this point in my previous point, my bad. lets assume that a post would take someone around a minute to write, and with new accounts, the 6 minute restriction is in place in between posts. with that, we'd be looking at nearly 12 hours to write 100 posts to move this hypothetical restriction (of straight, nonstop posting). dunno how everyone else feels about this, but i barely make 20 posts a week even, granted they're thought out and the furthest thing from spam. however, 12 hours is a lot of time to dedicate, and would be a pretty darn effective deterrent against scamming just from the sheer effort required to bypass that restriction. not that i think this is a good idea, but just stating the point. it's not easy at all.
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The funny this is about those who are trying to buy high ranking account either having a green trust for a purpise to scam others are having a problem buying since the new security implemented which in result 2 scammers are scamming each other. How romantic.[/quote]
what new security features? ive only been back on the forum for a few months now, either i missed this announcement or this happened before that, mind filling me in?
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LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.
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forgot to address this point in my previous point, my bad.
lets assume that a post would take someone around a minute to write, and with new accounts, the 6 minute restriction is in place in between posts. with that, we'd be looking at nearly 12 hours to write 100 posts to move this hypothetical restriction (of straight, nonstop posting). dunno how everyone else feels about this, but i barely make 20 posts a week even, granted they're thought out and the furthest thing from spam. however, 12 hours is a lot of time to dedicate, and would be a pretty darn effective deterrent against scamming just from the sheer effort required to bypass that restriction. not that i think this is a good idea, but just stating the point. it's not easy at all.
I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here
7 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes
That's just 184 hours.
How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?
I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.
What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.
To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.
LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.
What makes me angry is when the obvious and blatant thieves (example: JAAC) are permitted to continue on scamming with absolutely zero interference from any higher-ups here for weeks at a time.
that's just my take on it, can't speak for the administration itself.
Technically the new security features only protect against hacked accounts scamming. They are simply locked and not recovered it still requires a signed address to recover the account. So if the account didn't stake an address then it can't be recovered.
Sorry? You're off topic or either you didn't get what I'm saying.
Ok. Here it is: Account sellers can now lock the accounts they sold and sign a message to recover it then resell it again. Following that line of thought, I think you'll get it. Account sales would dramatically go down because of this.
I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here
7 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes
That's just 184 hours.
How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?
I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.
What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.
To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.
LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.
What makes me angry is when the obvious and blatant thieves (example: JAAC) are permitted to continue on scamming with absolutely zero interference from any higher-ups here for weeks at a time.
that's just my take on it, can't speak for the administration itself.
Technically the new security features only protect against hacked accounts scamming. They are simply locked and not recovered it still requires a signed address to recover the account. So if the account didn't stake an address then it can't be recovered.
I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here
7 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes
That's just 184 hours.
How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?
I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.
What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.
To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.
LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.
What makes me angry is when the obvious and blatant thieves (example: JAAC) are permitted to continue on scamming with absolutely zero interference from any higher-ups here for weeks at a time.
that's just my take on it, can't speak for the administration itself.
How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?
I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.
What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.
To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.
LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.
What makes me angry is when the obvious and blatant thieves (example: JAAC) are permitted to continue on scamming with absolutely zero interference from any higher-ups here for weeks at a time.
that's just my take on it, can't speak for the administration itself.
This a good idea to be tackled and be get serious about. it is so difficult to distinguish scammers, I am always referring to there Negative trust everytime i negotiate with other person if I am Trading. bitcoin Forum has So Many members.
Maybe The Best Thing to do if You encounter with scammers give there account negative trust and always look up to there account if the account is legendary then maybe He/She will be afraid to have Negative trust.
Most scammers account are newbies sometimes they use other reputated names.
Maybe The Best Thing to do if You encounter with scammers give there account negative trust and always look up to there account if the account is legendary then maybe He/She will be afraid to have Negative trust.
Most scammers account are newbies sometimes they use other reputated names.
Learn first not banning honest people...this is more important.
The day you are taken for a scammer and you are honest,you will understand.
The day you are taken for a scammer and you are honest,you will understand.
Post block for marketplace is the best way here then.
Learn first not banning honest people...this is more important.
The day you are taken for a scammer and you are honest,you will understand.
The day you are taken for a scammer and you are honest,you will understand.
How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?
I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.
What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.
To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.
Trust system would be fine if it was clear how to use it. The "untrusted" trust is invisible under the scammers name and I'd bet 99.99% of those being scammed have any clue on ho to find it.
And that is the way it should be. "Untrusted" means anyone can make a free anonymous account and post whatever they like. Looking at my untrusted feedback, I am one of the worst people ever to walk this earth.
"Trusted" feedback should be considered, since those that left it would be quickly removed from that position if they abused it.
I wonder why obvious scammers are not banned, can someone explain this to me?
Yes.
The forum used to manually apply the "SCAMMER!" tag to accounts that had scammed. The scammer numbers became too great, and forum resources were insufficient. Hence, the default trust system was born.
I wonder why obvious scammers are not banned, can someone explain this to me?
I think the best way to avoid scammers is look at their rank and their reputation . Maybe? Only trade with guy who has high reputation or high rank .
No. Reputation =/= Trustworthiness, and in fact trust is not an absolute indicator of true trust. After all, we know about the many exit scams that have happened on Bitcointalk. 
Your point about escrowing is kind-of right. There's always a degree of risk when trading (the escrow may decide to scam) but it does offer some insurance. I would personally say that trading with people who have no reputation at all (or little reputation) with an escrow would be equivalent to trading with someone that has a high reputation. The only difference is the escrow fee yet, in the end, you still hold the same financial risk, should one of the parties decide to scam.
I'm pretty active on catching scammers and i believe moderators should do some actions against them. We also need more moderators and better trust system. Not sure is the admins still active around to check whats going on but the scam attempts around are insane.
File some reports in the Scam Accusations section. Red trust will be splashed. Easy. I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here
7 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes
That's just 184 hours.
I'm pretty active on catching scammers and i believe moderators should do some actions against them.
We also need more moderators and better trust system.
Not sure is the admins still active around to check whats going on but the scam attempts around are insane.
We also need more moderators and better trust system.
Not sure is the admins still active around to check whats going on but the scam attempts around are insane.
I think the solution is not to really ban scammers, but more of create an educational tour of the forum. By that I mean is to mandatory require all newly registered users to take a course to familiarize themselves with the features and some tips on not getting scammed here on the forum.
Banning scammers is useless, they can just create new accounts and the results will just be the same.
i doubt this would actually be implemented, but it's not a bad idea, especially since it would also serve as a deterrent to spammers creating new accounts considering the annoyance of the tutorial and the time that would be wasted. it could be an idea to consider in the new forum whenever the software actually gets finished, but as is, i dont see it being implemented on the forum running on smf. Banning scammers is useless, they can just create new accounts and the results will just be the same.
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The things is, a lot of people are not paying attention to pinned posts or stickies. These posts aren't pinned for no reason, aren't these?
pretty sure very few newbies (actual newbies) actually read those. it's like the ToS on every new piece of software you'd install on your computer: no one reads them. but if they can't take the time to familiarize themselves with the forum before going out and trading with anonymous personas online, that's their loss and they probably wont make the same mistake again. The things is, a lot of people are not paying attention to pinned posts or stickies. These posts aren't pinned for no reason, aren't these?
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