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hero member
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March 07, 2012, 04:23:10 AM
#51
...I have heard that the PRC is starting to see some inflation...

Inflation is rough there.  From May 2011 to December 2011 the inflation on basic foods was up 5-10% in the same markets.

Isn't the interest rate also high out there?

The actual interest rate is indeed very high. But you'll have to know the right place to invest first.


A lot of people can't get loans anyway though.  They borrow from family.  I don't see many people getting loans as the housing market is slowing down in China.  In Guangzhou they have cut some prices by 75%.
donator
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March 07, 2012, 03:44:05 AM
#50
...I have heard that the PRC is starting to see some inflation...

Inflation is rough there.  From May 2011 to December 2011 the inflation on basic foods was up 5-10% in the same markets.

Isn't the interest rate also high out there?

The actual interest rate is indeed very high. But you'll have to know the right place to invest first.

The interest rate in banks are highly regulated to a very low level. The returns of bonds do not match CPI either.

The stock market in China is basically a scam of Chinese government to cheat out people's money to save and foster the corrupting and inefficient state owned enterprises. It's the heaven of manipulators and speculators, especially those who has relationship with government officers, but the last place any serious investors will look at.

The interest rate of private loans, as a reaction, is very high. But it's not without risk. Any interest rate higher than 400% of the nominal interest rate of banks, is not protected by the law of PR China.

You could also invest in houses and precious metal. Or you can directly invest into some business without stock exchanges. But none of them are as safe as doing so in western countries, due to the unpredictable future move of the non-constitutional PRC government.
hero member
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March 07, 2012, 03:10:40 AM
#49

I was surprised that S. Korea didn't register more interest being all high tech & stuff


Koreans tend to not access non-Korean sites. They have their own domestic facebook type systems, search engines etc, so unless something has a significant Korean language presence the aren't likely to notice it.

I do think they'd like it. Retail Forex trading isn't accessible from here. Korean citizens aren't allowed into casinos and things like that. Access to that kind of thing via BTC would be right up their alley.

Unfortunately there isn't an easy way to get KRW into BTC and vice versa. Banking regs are still quite strict here as a result of the currency crisis in the late 90s, so the likelihood of an exchange getting off the ground here is quite low. Which is a shame because they have non-revocable (as far as I'm aware based on what the bank websites tell me when I make transfers), domestic, interbank transfers that are essentially free.
hero member
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March 07, 2012, 02:20:19 AM
#48
Central Banks are stealing people's treasure all over the world,
especially in China.

donator
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March 06, 2012, 06:54:41 PM
#47
...I have heard that the PRC is starting to see some inflation...

Inflation is rough there.  From May 2011 to December 2011 the inflation on basic foods was up 5-10% in the same markets.

Isn't the interest rate also high out there?
sr. member
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March 06, 2012, 05:58:15 PM
#46
I would like to thank you guys for all the wonderful (or informative, however you like to phrase it) information about the modern day PRC.
hero member
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March 06, 2012, 05:41:44 PM
#45
...I have heard that the PRC is starting to see some inflation...

Inflation is rough there.  From May 2011 to December 2011 the inflation on basic foods was up 5-10% in the same markets.
legendary
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March 06, 2012, 03:52:07 AM
#44
China is only an industrial super power because they keep their currency fixed.

Perhaps by "fixed"  you mean importing USD inflation and creating money from nothing as fast as helicopter Ben?
Anyway, there are a few other factors that are involved, no matter what you might mean by industrial super power. 


 I have heard that the PRC is starting to see some inflation..

Ya think?   
Take a look at real estate prices, real wages, or any other commodity over the last 20 years to get a feel for how much RMB is being printed.
All double digit annual inflation.  Another index that shows monetary inflation is unadjusted GDP.   





donator
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March 06, 2012, 02:04:48 AM
#43
China is only an industrial super power because they keep their currency fixed. I have heard that the PRC is starting to see some inflation, although i do not have hard facts. But i do know, the moment they stop fixing the the RMB, the industrial base will not be able to be sustained.

I have no idea how regular PRC citizens think of their government as of now, but it could be possible that some citizens could see what they are doing and use bitcoin as protection against inflation. Although gold would be better suited for this, but i have no idea what the laws on gold are in PRC.

Regular PRC citizens think their government as a necessary evil that is more evil than necessary. Many people buy gold or silver, but more people like investing in houses. Precious metal is allowed in China, but the policy in China is very volatile, no one can tell what the government will do in 5 or 10 years. Ordinary families with low or moderate income suffer from this uncertainty.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
March 05, 2012, 11:33:09 PM
#42
Indeed inflation is a big concern in China and especially for very low income earners who have to spend nearly all of their earnings on food and housing.

Gold can be bought from banks and is I think being viewed by many as an inflation hedge (at least those that can afford to buy some).
sr. member
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March 05, 2012, 11:17:30 PM
#41
China is only an industrial super power because they keep their currency fixed. I have heard that the PRC is starting to see some inflation, although i do not have hard facts. But i do know, the moment they stop fixing the the RMB, the industrial base will not be able to be sustained.

I have no idea how regular PRC citizens think of their government as of now, but it could be possible that some citizens could see what they are doing and use bitcoin as protection against inflation. Although gold would be better suited for this, but i have no idea what the laws on gold are in PRC.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
March 05, 2012, 07:54:55 PM
#40
I thought Google left or was booted from China  Huh

Indeed they left but when they did they had redirected searches to google.com.hk (although it often doesn't work or doesn't work very well).

I think that baidu.com would be the main search engine used by Chinese nowadays.
donator
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March 05, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
#39
Goole's results of regional interest for the search term Bitcoin

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=bitcoin&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q

Search volume index - see world map

China:            25
Viet Nam:       15
Japan:            6
Taiwan:          0
Thailand:        0
South Korea:   0

China shows the most interest of the Asian countries
I was surprised that S. Korea didn't register more interest being all high tech & stuff

No interest from any Arabic countries as yet - PetroBitcoins  Tongue

Argentina: 19 the highest from South America - they've just slapped on a bunch of monetary restrictions for their Peso


South Korea has a lot of gamers, lots of gfx cards to exploit there I'd imagine Smiley
legendary
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March 05, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
#38
Goole's results of regional interest for the search term Bitcoin

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=bitcoin&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q

Search volume index - see world map

China:            25
Viet Nam:       15
Japan:            6
Taiwan:          0
Thailand:        0
South Korea:   0

China shows the most interest of the Asian countries
I was surprised that S. Korea didn't register more interest being all high tech & stuff

No interest from any Arabic countries as yet - PetroBitcoins  Tongue

Argentina: 19 the highest from South America - they've just slapped on a bunch of monetary restrictions for their Peso





I thought Google left or was booted from China  Huh
donator
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March 05, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
#37
Goole's results of regional interest for the search term Bitcoin

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=bitcoin&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q

Search volume index - see world map

China:            25
Viet Nam:       15
Japan:            6
Taiwan:          0
Thailand:        0
South Korea:   0

China shows the most interest of the Asian countries
I was surprised that S. Korea didn't register more interest being all high tech & stuff

No interest from any Arabic countries as yet - PetroBitcoins  Tongue

Argentina: 19 the highest from South America - they've just slapped on a bunch of monetary restrictions for their Peso



legendary
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Beyond Imagination
March 05, 2012, 08:19:53 AM
#36
As usual, professional miners will move some operations into china due to lower manufacturing cost of FPGA miners, but not the mining operation, since if their police try to ban the BTC related traffic on internet, that will be done quickly
legendary
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March 05, 2012, 03:41:18 AM
#35
I was speaking to a young guy in china who just spent 1 month in jail - for having a completely non-political text chat with someone in Tibet.
I tend to believe it - from my chats with this Chinese guy - he's pretty apathetic about politics. (though perhaps one 'has' to appear disinterested in politics there to stay out of trouble??)

The person he was chatting to happened to be a member of some group the government doesn't like.

The government just needs to lock a few people up like that for a 'short' time - with no recourse, no appeal - and the message gets out about what not to do.
With consequences like that for ordinary Chinese - who would risk running a bitcoin program if the government tells them not to?  Very few I'd guess.



Keep in mind this could be a story from any force-imposed tax regime in the world.  The psychology is the same.  As long as we give guns and uniforms to a few people and let them decide to lock us up and take our possessions for no reason, they will eventually do so.  Sadly there are far more political prisoners in the USA, for example. 
legendary
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March 04, 2012, 06:23:50 AM
#34
I was speaking to a young guy in china who just spent 1 month in jail - for having a completely non-political text chat with someone in Tibet.
I tend to believe it - from my chats with this Chinese guy - he's pretty apathetic about politics. (though perhaps one 'has' to appear disinterested in politics there to stay out of trouble??)

The person he was chatting to happened to be a member of some group the government doesn't like.

The government just needs to lock a few people up like that for a 'short' time - with no recourse, no appeal - and the message gets out about what not to do.
With consequences like that for ordinary Chinese - who would risk running a bitcoin program if the government tells them not to?  Very few I'd guess.

legendary
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Varanida : Fair & Transparent Digital Ecosystem
March 01, 2012, 10:28:44 PM
#33
I think the precondition of this post is wrong, China can only be the fake big economy in this world, and the gov can ban bitcoin with only a few words, there are no liberty and humen rights.
donator
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March 01, 2012, 07:14:56 AM
#32
Evading tax by faking vouchers is not without risk. The local government may randomly punish some of them to frighten the rest.

True but for sure it is still very common (the stored value card business is still going strong I believe).

I mostly agree with you though, especially for your last paragraph. BTW how many years have you been in China? It is very uncommon for a westerner to know so many details that are more or less "underground".  Grin

Have been here over 5 years now and my wife is Chinese. Smiley


5 years is indeed a long time. It's even enough for you to learn to understand most of the online Chinese materials. Smiley

In the short term, I think, geeks and speculators would be the first ones who are attracted to Bitcoin in China, just like any other places of the world.

As you're both in China, I'll leave it to you to promote Bitcoin there Smiley !!
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