Topic: How can we protect Newbies from getting scammed? - page 2. (Read 1586 times)

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So I checked this and Loycev is right as we can see above.

I have logged on a different computer and posted from this account "post to check", after that again posted from this computer "checked" with no problems and need to log in again.

There is a possibility to be logged from many different devices at the same time to one account. I think, with no limit.

That works fine. I always tick "Always stay logged in:", although I think that's only related to the time-limit.

Thanks for the clarification but have you tried to post from both (logged) accounts at the same time or at least from the first one and after that from the another, without the need to log in again?

To be honest, I have never tried this on a phone, only with two or more computers and both of you are giving as an example, an account logged on the phone maybe this is the reason?


Only if you don't use VPN, proxy or any other IP changing tool. I wonder how the IP log looks like when somebody is using a Tor browser?

Yes, you will be logged but when you try to post or do something else, you will not be able to, only on the device where you were logged for the last time or you will be prompted to log in again.

I have a couple of devices at home and checked this already multiple times, but still, it would be great if admin or one of the moderators could confirm this.

I am not sure about that. Maybe an admin can shed some light on this? I am pretty sure that sometimes in the past I was logged in with both PC and my phone at the same time. I didn't post from both devices at the same time but I was logged in.  

In part yes but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Sometimes I post in the morning hours. Other times I am active in the afternoon, late evening or even at night depending on my working hours.    

That's incorrect. I sometimes use LoyceMobile from a private window on my PC, and it doesn't get logged out on my mobile.
You can however use https://bitcointalk.org/myips.php to check if anyone else is sneakily using your account.

I am quite sure that we can be logged to an account only from one device at a time.

One will be automatically logged off when there was another successful login attempt to this same account from a different device.

This is quite easy to check if a targeted account is active because everybody can see this in each member account summary.



Additionally, if a member is posting frequently, then is just very easy to follow his active hours. Everybody has to sleep sometimes.

This is really scary because they can post and send PMs in your name, later remove it and there is no sign that somebody was in pour account. The only way to have the best odds, to catch the real account owner, (if we suspect something is not right) is to wait for his active hours when he starts to post something. Hackers would have to delete their posts after a while and the real account owner will let them sit there, so this is the time and opportunity to get in touch with him.

Everyone has to start as newbie, me too. From my experience, I open my door to newbies, and don't disable PMs from newbies in my profile settings.
However, if any newbie send PM this way. I will ignore all their later PMs because they obviously give me scam indicator with their very first PMs.
Depends on what they write in their PMs, I will decide to reply them or ignore them later.

I don't think I am making things too complicated because so far I wasn't scammed so it works.

You are right that most of these PMs are scam attempts, as I said multiple times already in my posts above, but why should I ignore all of them?

They are sent sometimes from a high ranked account, which is active and has a good reputation. Of course, if this is a newbie account, created a couple of days ago and already red-painted for scam attempt, then I will not bother to reply but I fill obligated to check these accounts because in the past I got a couple of very lucrative invitations to random promotions or even work agreements as a project or ICO advisor in the crypto boom time 2016 -2018, exactly from such a newbie accounts but to be honest it was before the introduction of a copper membership.

From another site, if I found something suspicious I can warn the community about such a scammer, report, add negative trust annotation or distrust in my trust settings, so why not if he asks for?
There are many options if you know what you are doing and at least suspect who you are potentially dealing with.

so, do you think this will continue to happen?
when someone who just joined, must pass the scam , I think your words are a bit cruel but that's the reality.
but that is humans when they are distressed they will ask for help from others, it's just that we don't know which will help / fool us.



and the best way for help them is remind them every day, even though things won't work out.
at least this will help reduce the number of people affected by scams, I don't know whether scams will continue to get victims.
we will only help, remind, next is how the person's attitude responds to it.

This topic is actually very helpful to newbies however we need to face facts that we, ourselves are the one who can only  protect or save us from scammers. In the first place, when we join bitcoin we are already starting to take the risk. We need to bear in mind that there are numbers that can be scammers so we should be conscious and should mind over matter always. Dont be driven with excitement or emotions rather think before we click. Read and then ask but dont take answer as a yes always.

Remember it on us as always. As the saying goes, trust no one!

I don't think you should make things complicated like that. 

If someone go first and ask for financial supports or invitation to join groups, projects, and so on. I ignore such PMs all because they don't deserve my time to investigate who send those PMs, real users or hackers, and which intention they want. Such things always (or mostly) relate to bad purposes.

In contrast, if someone send me PMs to ask for help, such as ask for my permission to do translation from my threads, or ask for anything that I can help from my knowledge and skills, I will do reply and help them.
In serious cases, I think admins or global moderators can step in, but it is rarely without government/ police requirements, eg.
If it is personal issues between users, I don't think admin or global moderators will spend their time to do this, because basically it is not their responsibility.
Forum stores data on users' PMs 6 months after PMs deleted by senders and all recipients

From how many different devices is it actually possible to be logged on at the same time? If someone has my password and I am logged in and using my account right now, can the hacker also use it at the same time? How about 3, 5, 10 devices

It would be good if this could be limited somehow to the number of devices we use. If I use only 2 (my pc and mobile phone) I could set that limit to 2 devices. In case a 3rd device logs on the account gets locked or the password is reset.

This is so true. When I was reading the OP and what happened I just couldn't believe how naive people still are after so many scams. Crypto is exploding with scams everywhere, everybody heard hundreds of scam stories but still people will give they private keys, download something or even send they password if somebody fully anonymous asks them for. There are so many threads "how to avoid to get scammed" or "watch out scam attempt", that already everybody should be alerted and treat security as the key when dealing with cryptocurrencies. I just can't understand how and why somebody acts like this, especially when it goes about 30.000$? I can understand if this is not a significant amount of money for this person then ok, hard but I can grasp such an explanation.

Lately, I got also a couple of PMs from old and new accounts and half of them was a scam attempt. Of course always in such situation, the first thing which I do is to check these accounts and PM if it was for sure sent by the real account owner. Checked this account but everything was ok, active for a long time and with a good reputation. But additionally, I always respond to such PMs and ask if this is real and this time member responded back, that he never sent this PM and don't know what is going on. Hackers get into his account but never changed the password, only acted as the real owner. This is a real threat because everything looks fine, they delete PMs immediately after sending, login only when the real user is offline and if you are not lucky enough to get to the real owner with your PM, you can be scammed very easily if you fell into this great promotion or anything else they offer, which is very hard to say no of course. I have to add this was a high-rank and established account, which is really scary and I think is worth to know that something like this already happened.

Of course, I got plenty of PMs from newbie accounts, which ask to discuss further on Telegram and there they offer this super something on which you will make a fortune, but this is so obvious scam attempt that there is no point to talk about this further because everybody already knows about this.

Actually you don't have to do anything for them, this forum has already gave its best to prevent scams, its already up to us on how can we further strengthen this security, it his mistake by the way for not getting know who the sender was.

If a message was anonymously sent by other user, they should first try to check them first. Its not our duty anymore, for they're responsible for their own. We also have been through this and I can't think of any more solution that could help them realize what things works as suspicious. Even trusted person can suddenly turn into bad guy.

If a mistake was already done, we can not redo it, just learn from it and might share your experience for the others to be aware. And that's already enough as a warning.

The forum is already doing a lot to protect newbies from scammers, but it is important to note that not all newbies on the forum are new to the cryptocurrency space i.e. they may not be complete novices.
It's almost impossible to fully protect the public from getting scammed.

When getting into Bitcoin, and when one has actually purchased or earned some bitcoins, they should be able to protect themselves from some basic scam attempts.

I'd still like to see that welcome message implemented, to see how much it improves the firumy

Everyone was a newbie at a point and I dont think its depreciating. I believe the topic was brought to this forum to see what the forum can render. I beleive we have credible member as moderator and staff in these forum, they wont want to tarnish there image for any amount. They can open a thread with credible staff; capable of being escrow and handle other blockchain/crypto technicalities. I dont support a free service but probably ridiculously low. The forum should do more to protect the space and new members

Bump!

Another victim:
I hadn't realized this before, but indeed, if a user follows a link in the email notification, he doesn't see negative feedback or flags!

(Unless this is already included in the email, but I have no emails from negative trusted users to check)

Wherever there is a tool, others will find ways to exploit it.

There is no perfect safeguard apart from hard research, which most are unable/unwilling to do.
If you prevent one scam from being founded, scammers will try and sneak their way to a different kind of scam.

Some time ago, a user was scammed because they had trusted a fake Telegram account with the same name as mine.
They were certainly not new to crypto but had a lapse in security. This happens frequently and is unavoidable.

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What is most important is to ensure that users are constantly cautious and verify what others are saying.

I think disabling Pm will be a great start and also the forum can disable the ability to post email or any contact address. If a user asks a question, the user should be able to get the answer on the thread the question was asked there should be no private response. 1% out of every newbie count gets scammed due to this private assistance. I would also suggest if it's doable the forum bans anyone asking people to pm them for a solution to their worries.

Truth be told someone will always get scammed not everyone is patient enough to read or use Google to get solutions to their crypto related problems especially wallet and exchange related.