Topic: How can we support Bitcoin if Satoshi demands life sentencing for non-violence - page 2. (Read 354 times)

Disagree here, he clearly does have passion for Bitcoin, or at least his vision for it, as evidenced by this talk from 6 years ago:

https://youtu.be/JdJexAYjrDw

He comes across as a smart guy with a few character flaws who's pissed off about people applying his ideas in ways that were not intended (not to mention the coordinated smear campaign that was just beginning to cook up against him but it does not appear he was so clever as to connect the dots there because if he was perhaps we would recoginize it is that same pattern of coordination that railroaded Ross to prison).

And where is that court decision you're talking about?
The only case is that of Craig vs Kleiman and even if Craig won as by not having to pay half of 1.1 million BTC to Kleiman no judge would be able to claim in that case that he is Satoshi,  they just ruled that he has to pay Kleiman $100 million in damages and not 500 000 BTC that's all, the rest is speculation.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf

Infamous?  

I don't need to waste my time any longer in reading through the entire thread because this alone has made the justification to what the complete content would carry, people like you should not take much of our attention if over these time all you could derive is in conclusion that Craig Wright is Satoshi, then it's either you're one of the paid servants being loyal to Craig to have come this low by saying what is not just because you're been paid or maybe you just have a total zero idea of what has been going on since the beginning of this case.

Don't necessarily disagree that courts are most often shit but he has so far done more work to prove his case than you have against - since you did not provide any of the  signed messages claimed.   I'm gunna say you are so far neutral on the matter, but I appreciate your input and let us know if you do have a signed message proof at some point.


The only thing I'm trying to do is vent some frustration (Craig blocked me/ended our conversation on Twitter), some ideas and get some input - so I do appreciate your input.    I will look into the supposed evidence of forged documents in the meantime if you have a link or somewhere to get started on that regard please share it.

It is normal for people to be skeptical about new innovative technology at first until they see or learn about the problem it solves. I was once skeptical about Bitcoin before I saw the positive side of it and accumulated it.

There is no need to think that Craig Wright's propaganda is fraud because everyone said so when the evidence that proves him to be false Satoshi is available for the public to know. Besides, on 7th February 2023, Craig Wright lost Bitcoin copyright at the England and Wales High Court division.

Everything you see in him is something a professional thief and Ph.D. holder in Computer science can do. However, he didn't have passion for Bitcoin and it's writing all over his face.

Don't know if I'll be wrong to say it's a 12 wasted years and you just have to rewind the years and start afresh but this time tryna making it useful by refusing to buy this so-called shit you call a fact.

Do you think Craig would be the infamous Satoshi and he won't have revealed it long before now?

No one says he's not talented and neither is any questions his experience in cryptocurrency but he's  definitely not in the person of Satoshi.

Nobody has to prove anything in court, Craig Wright's lies are just too obvious for anyone who understands how BTC works. Whoever created BTC is a genius and they would not have to go from court to court to prove anything, even to the point of presenting different false evidences; they'll prove that they are Satoshi by using the network they created and sign a simple BTC message. I also don't think any court has 'conclusively' ruled in his favor, he is just trying to bully people into believing him and suing whoever 'hurts his feelings' by calling him out.

Ha ha - me too decodx as have almost everyone else who has visited this thread. Aleast
you have saved us the time of reading what I imagine is pure waffle by opening with that
first line.

OP, its obvious you are new here that you make this post and expect to be taken seriously,
you should know that faketoshi's house of cards has started to fall, the foundations
have been compromised.

If you are 11 years a Bitcoiner what was your thoughts before CSW started making
his fake claims, surely you would know that CSW's manner, claims, personality
goes against everything Bitcoin.

It simply never added up.

Craig isn't Satoshi and the same goes to every people that want the world to know that they are Bitcoin creator.

The real Satoshi doesn't want to be recognised and these bandits are fighting each other to grab the name 'Satoshi' for themselves, if truly they work hard to build Bitcoin they should know better that staying anonymous is the KEY. Something that only the real Satoshi Nakamoto will do.

Craig and others are fake and by trying to prove to the world that they are Satoshi makes them even more fake.

You make an assumption, do not defend or prove it in any way, then proceed to treat it like a fact in another sentence.
I hope everybody can see what you're trying to do in this post.

If you come up with something like that, trying to justify a lie that Craig is telling the world, at least have the decency of giving us some facts.
Writing things like "Craig's tech" here is going to get you nowhere. It's not Craig's tech, unless you, or him can prove otherwise. As far as I know Craig's been trying to do it for years and failing miserably.
Read about the forged documents he produced in court and maybe you'll stop kissing his ass and start thinking critically.

Nope, this is where I hit the pause button on your post. Ain't got time for this nonsense. Next!

A judge means nothing compared to cryptographic evidence. Nobody cares what a certain judge ruled somewhere on the planet.
You can fake almost everything by bullying people into lawsuits, but you can't fake a signed message. Although that is exactly how the troll started, except that nobody got to see the signature.

Did you provide these in court?   A judge ruled in his favor that he is Satoshi Nakamoto.   Evidently the judge needed to see these signed messages you have.

How not to be taken seriously, lesson 1. Is this really the best you can start with after 11 years?
I've seen more than a hundred signed messages that prove the delusional troll's claims are a lie.
If you want to try again, start over.

Good point!  Craig's choice of chain has a useful feature (unlimited block size, which happens to be particularly useful for my specific application devolopment needs) so I suppose even if he is a scamming tyrant who wishes his own users lifetime imprisonment... perhaps the tech should be given a chance.



Is the case of Ross Ulbricht a non-story/non-fact?   


Care to share this real evidence?    I admit my assesment on Craig is early and based mostly on gut and human impression so I am willing to be proven wrong with verifable facts.    Though I find his passion and the moral stance he took during pre Segwit fork rather good for his case - this was just as the smear campaign on him was heating up and he was pissed off the kind of vigor one can only summon when they are challenged on something genuine.

If I were I would sue your doctor in case he prescribed you anything weird lately.
You might win more in damages than trading or holding Bitcoin as it obviously caused you something pretty serious!


Told ya, this is something weird, next you're going to hear colors and smell sounds.

Now ignoring all the BS, it doesn't matter who invented what and what his views would be,Tor was developed by the US military, the NRL branch, does that stop you from using it?  And let's not even talk about who and why invented Fanta!
Satoshi can come back and be a racist transexual homophobic gun lover anti-abortion muslim communist Illuminati reptilian hater, the code won't change.

firstly CSW is not satoshi. never was him never was affiliated with him.. CSW first heard about bitcoin in 2011 and first bought btc in 2013.

end of that story

as for the actual satoshi. he wont be arrested or thrown in prison due to the fact that there is no back door satoshi owns to corrupt bitcoin which can be abused under threat by authorities.. also if you look at all the altcoin inventors that are personally known. none of them have been arrested or imprisoned for inventing their crypto.

so chill out on the drama. its a non story which you have been mis-informed about on many levels and then formed a opinion based on non-facts

that said.
CSW will someday get arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned at some point due to his scams and perjury.. its only a matter of time. but none of his antics are related to bitcoin

by the way CSW did not have any talent or credentials of provable intelligence. there is however real evidence that he plagiarised and used ghost writers to write his coursework and degree assignments

Am an OG Bitcoiner slowly coming around to the fact that Craig is Satoshi.   I was not extremely early (nor successful) but have been buzzing around since 2012  nonetheless.  

And I'm also an independent coder who's since built applications on Bitcoin and been paid in Bitcoin for services/hours rendered apart of consulting & software projects.   I also have a small brick & mortar shop & accept Bitcoin at the till.   In other words, I'm a rare but real user of Bitcoin using it for real world/day to day transactions.

Though I was skeptical of SegWit, like many I glossed over the attack/smear propaganda on Craig and just superficially thought that well he must be a fraud cause everyone says so.  

It wasn't until only recently, discouraged by the echo chamber that is BTC and inspired by the need to make some key technology decisions for upcoming product development, that I began to listen to his talks and more recently the interviews/podcasts.

He is clearly a passionate & talented individual with all of the credentials & experience needed to have created the original Bitcoin.   Not that it matters looking forward.

I wanted to give Bitcoin SV a chance particularly as I have a growing need for a secure endpoint / addressing system ie- blockchain for this product I have been working on for some amount of years.   Not to mention a couple related projects that will share the same tech.  I've built on BTC thus far but Lightning network breaks the chain IMO and I think this is disruptive for longterm application development.  Naturally I turned my attention to BCH and BSV.  

Then I heard Craig say something that concerns me deeply.   It was his response to regarding Ross Ulbricht here at 51:18

https://youtu.be/E9t63P3vdeA?si=s2YDcgTyvC68FoZv&t=3074

"Should he be in jail for consecutive life terms?"

"yes, I believe so"

he goes on to say that "if we ever have corrupt police, that is one of the worst things... corrupt police - public execution if you ask me"

Is he not being incredibly shortsightedness about the corrupt policing involved in Ross' case?  Someone tried to cookup a murder-for-hire story that was never applicable in court because it was so flaky.  Who was that... did it involve corrupt police?   And is the judge corrupt for the excessive sentencing?    If a corrupt cop deserves death what about a judge?


And regarding drugs, I respect that he is taking a strong moral position against the distribution of dangerous substances.    

But 2 wrongs do not make a right; if a freedom loving pie in the sky entrepreneur made the mistake of creating a market (using Craig's tech) that was a little too open - which paved the way for OTHER bad people to do bad things - where does Craig with his masters degree in law determine that said marketowner deserves to rot in a cage until death with the keys thrown away?    

And who will carry out this sentencing for Craig; he expects that 'the system' will just work out and handle this pesky criminal entreprenuer for him.   If Craig Wright wants Ross in a cage forever, Craig should be the one who tries to keep him there.  At least then his friends & family would have much more viable option to bust him out.  

Anyway,  I tried to engage with Craig directly on this, but he subsequently blocked me on Twitter without providing a satisfactory reply.  So here we are.

This is a bit of a wrench in my plans; I was keen to learn more about setting up a BSV node and the costs involved.  Not necessarily to run one myself but I wanted to experiment and test the features/functionality of BSV before saddling up and doing any serious product development on this.

And tangentiality I think this series of events naturally oerlaps with an internal philosophical struggle in using money altogther.  On one had we need a system better than fiat.  On the other, replacing one elaborate system for a new elaborate system does not seem like the solution human civilization really needs.

In fact, it seems money itself - aka root of all evil - really is the root of all evil.  Or stated otherwise, a cancerous idea that is going to wipe us out or at best - chain us forever.  The deeper problem even beyond money it seems is consent to third party authority: systems, people, technology ie- anyone who is not directly involved in fulfilling your needs.   For example, if Craig didn't consent his authority for force to third parties he would need to use force himself or at least his own resources to imprison someone for forever.   This is ironically the solution to that natural balance he himself says is necessary.

Today I just 'use money' and Bitcoin right now cause like everyone else it is the 'current sea' I find myself in.  More and more however, I just want to sail to a place where there is not this mass of consenting believers everywhere; I want to return to nature and exchange what I have for what I need with people without a third party system or shadowperson involving themselves in every transaction.   Of course, the ship may have sailed already as our world is torched around us by those who have for so long taken advantage of this critical flaw in human 'civilization' /end rant.