Topic: How come we are still discussing Gavincoin when he's the only one supporting it? (Read 1890 times)

I think we've gotten lucky. I love these asian guys.

This new development might have some implications on the debate. I don't know how reliable cointelegraph's information is but the Chinese exchanges hold a large share of the market.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase

So much for not listening to yall USGavincheerleaders.

Funny to see you backpedaling yet still squeaking in favor of 2 USG muppets (gavin being some random MIT Media Lab employee and Hearn is Google material).




You're dumb and im glad you will never have any influence over bitcoin's development.

20MB doesn't scale! Not really.
On the other hand offchain transaction DO scale as much as you want. Just sayin'

I'm not ! I went full peteTodd! i dont' care. I'm not upgrading. I will of course if everyone else does. but I'm not going to at first.

People should decide? I get the sense that people lead others into deciding since most does not have a clue as to what they're talking about.
They never get the choice really. Friggin illusion. Or call it even delusion.

I just dont want USG to decide.

Proof of said blackmail letters?
And yes, ultimately people should decide. Anyone is free to work on Bitcoin and get people's support, there are no such thing as "official devs", but "official consensus". Through official consensus (what people use) the Bitcoin software becomes official, not the other way around.

Sorry guys, was out of town. Cleaned the thread of the Gavin-propaganda-bots. They can play elsewhere. Here and reddit is pretty infested with these guys.
They work for US Military you say? Are you sure? How you know?

If it's an established fact that Gavin is in bed with the gov why is he still doing what he does?

Bullshit. If there is no consensus among devs why should there be one amongst people? Who came up with the idea of populistic forks? Please seek medical advice.

How about Gavin sorts it out with his dev buddies before writing blackmail letters to the community?

Hmm, I was expecting more from the devs of the mighty Bitcoin. Yet one more disappointment for the day.
I somehow hope that we are missing something. Maybe they'll conclude together in a reasonable time and Gavin just did this act of "bad politics" with a good purpose.

Gavin's proposal is not bad. Not the best, but not bad. I actually somehow support it.
I also understand that he may have gotten tired of all this "too much talk and no communication" and, more important, nothing done.
Still, politically this is bad. And I am completely against this "ultimatum". There has to be better ways, at least between the devs.

Sorry if my previous post was .. ambiguous.

Why do you keep referring to XT as an alt? Just curious, it seems to me that you don't fully understand what is happening.

Centcom really knows how to light up a message board.

They had more success selling Reddit on Gavincoin than here or the dev list.

I've seen the days when Dogecoin had its biggest fork, when AuxPoW was implemented. There were also harsh discussions. There were a lot of point of views, but there were discussions and the best solution (from what was available) was taken.
Democracy is not the best way forward. I know that if you want to convince a majority is a tough task.
I also know that bitcoin has to lay a path where people are not afraid of changes, as they may be leaps forward.

But not like this, really. Replacing democracy with a dictatorship is not better at all.

I guess that Bitcoin will have to find its way... different one from Gavin's...

I'm looking forward to the new poll.

Also interesting the outcome of almost 50% of people want Gavin to resign and more than 50% think he's in bed with the US Government.

What more does one need to know?

see: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34y48z/mike_hearn_the_capacity_cliff_and_why_we_cant_use/cqz9xf3


Old poll shows not even 60% of the community supported his proposal (and he still goes ahead with pushing his alt). The new poll is in the making. I wouldn't say 'most' support it. You're just lucky if you can still get a majority for it after this coup with his XT altcoin and the recent drop in price (direct response from the market) which must have upset just about everyone in the space.

I'm undecided about the increase in block size and I'm absolutely not defending Gavin's approach to it.

I actually agree with Pieter Wuille on this message:

Where is the problem with using the blockchain only for such settlement? Would be prefectly fine as long as everyone keeps the full access we have now so you can use the offchain stuff but you don't have to. You can still send your coins around on chain. Where's the problem to have all the dust transactions off chain?
Bitcoin is here to fuck the banks into the ass necessarily not to buy you coffee at starbucks. You can buy your coffee off chain or just pay a little higher fees if you want your coffee on chain. No problem there. Decentralisation, consensus and defensibility is more important than max txs.

I also found the argument compelling by one of the other devs that the problem is not urgent and until it could potentially become an issue there would be some more time left to potentially develop better solutions than just bloating the thing up (which is also no permanent fix).
So it's no problem now and until it is maybe better solutions become available.

Right now it's better to stay on 1MB blocks than to risk blowing the deam thing up because the consensus was harmed.

People need to understand Bitcoin is worthless without consensus and decentralisation aswell as defensibiltiy.
Max txs are secondary order of importance and not primary.



Yeah, and other people ask themselves "what would mohamet/jesus do?" before they go and kill people.
Thats no excuse. Satoshi certainly wouldn't fork the network into two coins and also not cause this whole PR fiasco. Satoshi would also not make backroom deals behind everyones back like Gavin and then come out with his altcoin.
Gavin is much more of a pig than you might think.

I think Gavin operates by asking himself, "what would Satoshi do?" Making 20MB blocks is his best guess as to what Bitcoin's creator would have done.  

Here's a crazy hypothesis:

Maybe Gavin realised where we're headed and didn't like what he saw.

With proposals like the Bitcoin Lightning Network the blockchain could one day only be used for a handful transactions per day, for settling big balances between major offchain micropayment processors.

Maybe he didn't like that idea and is trying to scale the blockchain to avoid it becoming redundant.

If that was to be the case, then the detractors who claim bigger blocks will centralise the network don't realize that it's actually a potential fix for avoiding even bigger centralised offchain silos.