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April 02, 2014, 07:23:47 PM
#44

Didn't Marc Andreesen also invest in Coinbase?  Didn't Marc Andreesen recently put the smackdown to Warren Buffett, in defense of Bitcoin.  Didn't the creator of Ripple, Jed McCaleb, leave Ripple to work on a secret Bitcoin project?  Isn't it year 5 of Bitcoin.  Didn't it take the Internet decades before it was finally widely adopted?

LOL sorry dude.  Ripple's not doing anything, Bitcoin's fine and always will be.  Just needs time to grow.

One...trick...pony.  Maybe better to compare it to AOL or something like that.  Not the whole internet. Grin

How is it one trick pony though?

Isn't it a currency, protocol, payment method, distributed ledger, all rolled into one.  The internet has some of the same qualities.  TCP/IP v4 anyone?  When is that getting replaced?   Tongue

Because the internet is useful in a multitude of ways.  Bitcoin just sends and receives Bitcoin.  Maybe comparing it to email would be better but even then, we're talking about pre-SMTP email because it can only send to one wallet type.  Bitcoin.  So it's like a pre-federated email.  I'm not knocking Bitcoin per se, just the reference to comparing it to the internet.  It will never be as useful in so many ways as the internet.  Even if you could dream up the ways, the blockchain could never handle it.  Better tech will arise from the proof-of-concept that Bitcoin is but Bitcoin will never be on an "internet" level of functionality and usefulness.  It's just a single currency/commodity with one main function.  I'm almost surprised this has to be explained.  Almost...

Interesting - tell Mastercoin and Etherium just how much of a "one trick pony" bitcoin is, and they'll tell you all of the ways their technology is built FROM bit coin's concepts and extends its capabilities, a symbiotic relationship. They don't aim to replace bitcoin, but extend its functionality. Bitcoin can and will evolve. What is this "one wallet type" thing you're talking about? There are a wide variety of wallets that work with bitcoin and they will continue to become more user friendly, just like any software. The block chain could never handle it? Again, you haven't been paying attention to the efforts of other efforts that won't add excessive bloat to bitcoin, but will still manage the same goals.

As for Bitcoin's usefulness and how it compares to the utility of the internet, I think you're way off the mark there and probably don't truly appreciate how it can potentially serve as significant leverage against central banking and corrupt governments. In that way perhaps its the most important technological advancements in our lifetime.

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April 02, 2014, 07:20:07 PM
#43
One trick pony would be a very good description of tha Interwebs in the mid-90s (i was there, i thought it was crap).
Send mail, look at very slow porn, get disconnected every 5 minutes, have a telephone bill like the GDP of Cuba.
Now look at us....

Even though I'm not the worlds biggest BTC fan, I'm pretty sure that Bitcoin is here to stay and I'm hodling my few BTC. And I'm gonna buy some more when it dips under $400.
Look on this dip as an opportunity, not a disaster.

BTW: I recently spent €200,000 on a pile of bricks and wood, arranged in a sort of cave like structure...was that a good idea ?
  

To each his own on where they put their money.  I will never put money back into Bitcoin, for a multitude of reasons and I will never tell anyone else to invest in Bitcoin. From a long-term investment standpoint, I see much better options.  But that's me.

No feelings hurt.  True or False, Marc Andreesen has more skin in the Bitcoin game than Ripple?

Hey is Ripple XRP?  

http://rippleprice.com/

Is that the price!!!

That's pretty pathetic dude.

Pot calling the kettle black?  Have you looked at the Bitcoin price lately?   Shocked  Grin

How many cents is that for XRP or Ripple?   Shocked

Yup, to each their own.  If you see Bitcoin strictly as an investment vehicle and not as innovative, burgeoniing cryptocurrency, good luck to you on your XRP investment. 


BTW...127 XRP to make one dollar.  Dam having Unobtainium is better than XRP.   Shocked
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April 02, 2014, 07:08:32 PM
#42
One trick pony would be a very good description of tha Interwebs in the mid-90s (i was there, i thought it was crap).
Send mail, look at very slow porn, get disconnected every 5 minutes, have a telephone bill like the GDP of Cuba.
Now look at us....

Even though I'm not the worlds biggest BTC fan, I'm pretty sure that Bitcoin is here to stay and I'm hodling my few BTC. And I'm gonna buy some more when it dips under $400.
Look on this dip as an opportunity, not a disaster.

BTW: I recently spent €200,000 on a pile of bricks and wood, arranged in a sort of cave like structure...was that a good idea ?
  

To each his own on where they put their money.  I will never put money back into Bitcoin, for a multitude of reasons and I will never tell anyone else to invest in Bitcoin. From a long-term investment standpoint, I see much better options.  But that's me.

No feelings hurt.  True or False, Marc Andreesen has more skin in the Bitcoin game than Ripple?

Hey is Ripple XRP?  

http://rippleprice.com/

Is that the price!!!

That's pretty pathetic dude.

Pot calling the kettle black?  Have you looked at the Bitcoin price lately?   Shocked  Grin  

Fortunately for Ripple though, it's success is not determined by the value of it's internal currency.  "Swiss army knife"...just remember that.  Wink
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April 02, 2014, 06:53:52 PM
#41
If Ripple so innovative why isn't it receiving the backing and support that Bitcoin is getting?  Why isn't Ripple users getting warned, or why aren't they getting taxed, or why isn't Governments trying to get it regulated.

There's a reason why...Ripple isn't going anywhere!

Stop trying to mention Ripple in Bitcointalk, it isn't getting you anywhere.  On second thought, it isn't getting itself anywhere either!   Cheesy  

It's probably why Jed McCaleb abandoned Ripple's ship...

Oh, I see I've hurt your feelings.  Certainly wasn't my intention but truth has a tendency to do that.  But you're right, who am I to spout such things.  Just some random forum poster.

Marc Andreessen seems to think Ripple's a good investment.  Maybe you've heard of him.   Wink

And this guy, VP of the Federal Reserve of St. Louis has couple of modest things to say about Ripple.

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“Ripple is a currency-agnostic protocol. Ripple is the winner. It processes anything. It’s quite possible this ruling benefits payment processors, rather than virtual currencies.”

http://www.coindesk.com/federal-bank-vp-bitcoin-threat-means-banks-must-adapt-die/

http://aworldofcurrency.com/?p=1919


No feelings hurt.  True or False, Marc Andreesen has more skin in the Bitcoin game than Ripple?

Hey is Ripple XRP?  

http://rippleprice.com/

Is that the price!!!

That's pretty pathetic dude.
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April 02, 2014, 06:52:31 PM
#40
OP is just an NXT/NEM/altcoin troll.

No. I'm the NXT troll (with one NEM stake and a fistful of dodgy ALTS)  Grin

BUt the OP is still being completely out of order. Even if BTC turns out to be a bubble, no-one has ever held a gun to anyones head and forced them to invest. We are all willing participants in breaking new ground / creating a new financial system, so crying about it when you think it's all going south is just childish, as is trying to find a scapegoat.


Bitcoin, just like the internet, is useless!!! ... After all, who the hell uses the internet today after that bubble that ripped off poor people!!??

Thanks for your wise words, oh, technology oracle. God bless you.  Grin

I've always found it comical that people try to compare Bitcoin to the internet.  The key difference between the two is, the internet is immensely useful.  Bitcoin, not so much.  Kind of a one trick pony in comparison.  Please stop, you just sound ridiculous.  

One trick pony would be a very good description of tha Interwebs in the mid-90s (i was there, i thought it was crap).
Send mail, look at very slow porn, get disconnected every 5 minutes, have a telephone bill like the GDP of Cuba.
Now look at us....

Even though I'm not the worlds biggest BTC fan, I'm pretty sure that Bitcoin is here to stay and I'm hodling my few BTC. And I'm gonna buy some more when it dips under $400.
Look on this dip as an opportunity, not a disaster.

BTW: I recently spent €200,000 on a pile of bricks and wood, arranged in a sort of cave like structure...was that a good idea ?
  
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April 02, 2014, 06:45:53 PM
#39
If Ripple so innovative why isn't it receiving the backing and support that Bitcoin is getting?  Why isn't Ripple users getting warned, or why aren't they getting taxed, or why isn't Governments trying to get it regulated.

There's a reason why...Ripple isn't going anywhere!

Stop trying to mention Ripple in Bitcointalk, it isn't getting you anywhere.  On second thought, it isn't getting itself anywhere either!   Cheesy  

It's probably why Jed McCaleb abandoned Ripple's ship...

Oh, I see I've hurt your feelings.  Certainly wasn't my intention but truth has a tendency to do that.  But you're right, who am I to spout such things.  Just some random forum poster.

Marc Andreessen seems to think Ripple's a good investment.  Maybe you've heard of him.   Wink

And this guy, VP of the Federal Reserve of St. Louis has couple of modest things to say about Ripple.

Quote
“Ripple is a currency-agnostic protocol. Ripple is the winner. It processes anything. It’s quite possible this ruling benefits payment processors, rather than virtual currencies.”

http://www.coindesk.com/federal-bank-vp-bitcoin-threat-means-banks-must-adapt-die/

http://aworldofcurrency.com/?p=1919
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April 02, 2014, 06:36:09 PM
#38
If Ripple so innovative why isn't it receiving the backing and support that Bitcoin is getting?  Why isn't Ripple users getting warned, or why aren't they getting taxed, or why isn't Governments trying to get it regulated.

There's a reason why...Ripple isn't going anywhere!

Stop trying to mention Ripple in Bitcointalk, it isn't getting you anywhere.  On second thought, it isn't getting itself anywhere either!   Cheesy  

It's probably why Jed McCaleb abandoned Ripple's ship...
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April 02, 2014, 06:21:20 PM
#37

Didn't Marc Andreesen also invest in Coinbase?  Didn't Marc Andreesen recently put the smackdown to Warren Buffett, in defense of Bitcoin.  Didn't the creator of Ripple, Jed McCaleb, leave Ripple to work on a secret Bitcoin project?  Isn't it year 5 of Bitcoin.  Didn't it take the Internet decades before it was finally widely adopted?

LOL sorry dude.  Ripple's not doing anything, Bitcoin's fine and always will be.  Just needs time to grow.

One...trick...pony.  Maybe better to compare it to AOL or something like that.  Not the whole internet. Grin

How is it one trick pony though?

Isn't it a currency, protocol, payment method, distributed ledger, all rolled into one.  The internet has some of the same qualities.  TCP/IP v4 anyone?  When is that getting replaced?   Tongue

Because the internet is useful in a multitude of ways.  Bitcoin just sends and receives Bitcoin.  Maybe comparing it to email would be better but even then, we're talking about pre-SMTP email because it can only send to one wallet type.  Bitcoin.  So it's like a pre-federated email.  I'm not knocking Bitcoin per se, just the reference to comparing it to the internet.  It will never be as useful in so many ways as the internet.  Even if you could dream up the ways, the blockchain could never handle it.  Better tech will arise from the proof-of-concept that Bitcoin is but Bitcoin will never be on an "internet" level of functionality and usefulness.  It's just a single currency/commodity with one main function.  I'm almost surprised this has to be explained.  Almost...

What better tech do you speak of?  Ripple LOL?  Have you ever considered Bitcoin could be used in an election one day?  Can you send Gold or Silver to someone else around the world easily in minutes?  I guess you can Paypal or Western Union it but that's if you like dealing with fees.   Grin

Good, so you're conceding the Bitcoin as internet reference. Smart. Moving on...

Ripple is a good looking option.  It's very versatile, currency agnostic, blah, blah, blah.  It's like a currency, swiss army knife.  Grin  But I don't think people will stop creating and developing.  Look, Bitcoin solved the double-spend problem.  Great...now that can be reproduced for anything.  Voting is a very good example.  Although, the blockchain doesn't scale so I don't see how it would ever handle such a load, plus transactions.  There's a number of ways to handle voting via Ripple, but a simple fork of Bitcoin could be created to handle such a task.  I really think people overvalue the significance of Bitcoin as a brand and lose site of the tech, which is all that matters.  Then again, some don't really want to change the world, unless they get rich in the process.
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April 02, 2014, 06:12:47 PM
#36

Didn't Marc Andreesen also invest in Coinbase?  Didn't Marc Andreesen recently put the smackdown to Warren Buffett, in defense of Bitcoin.  Didn't the creator of Ripple, Jed McCaleb, leave Ripple to work on a secret Bitcoin project?  Isn't it year 5 of Bitcoin.  Didn't it take the Internet decades before it was finally widely adopted?

LOL sorry dude.  Ripple's not doing anything, Bitcoin's fine and always will be.  Just needs time to grow.

One...trick...pony.  Maybe better to compare it to AOL or something like that.  Not the whole internet. Grin

How is it one trick pony though?

Isn't it a currency, protocol, payment method, distributed ledger, all rolled into one.  The internet has some of the same qualities.  TCP/IP v4 anyone?  When is that getting replaced?   Tongue

Because the internet is useful in a multitude of ways.  Bitcoin just sends and receives Bitcoin.  Maybe comparing it to email would be better but even then, we're talking about pre-SMTP email because it can only send to one wallet type.  Bitcoin.  So it's like a pre-federated email.  I'm not knocking Bitcoin per se, just the reference to comparing it to the internet.  It will never be as useful in so many ways as the internet.  Even if you could dream up the ways, the blockchain could never handle it.  Better tech will arise from the proof-of-concept that Bitcoin is but Bitcoin will never be on an "internet" level of functionality and usefulness.  It's just a single currency/commodity with one main function.  I'm almost surprised this has to be explained.  Almost...

What better tech do you speak of?  Ripple LOL?  Have you ever considered Bitcoin could be used in an election one day?  Can you send Gold or Silver to someone else around the world easily in minutes?  I guess you can Paypal or Western Union it but that's if you like dealing with fees.   Grin
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April 02, 2014, 06:05:03 PM
#35

Didn't Marc Andreesen also invest in Coinbase?  Didn't Marc Andreesen recently put the smackdown to Warren Buffett, in defense of Bitcoin.  Didn't the creator of Ripple, Jed McCaleb, leave Ripple to work on a secret Bitcoin project?  Isn't it year 5 of Bitcoin.  Didn't it take the Internet decades before it was finally widely adopted?

LOL sorry dude.  Ripple's not doing anything, Bitcoin's fine and always will be.  Just needs time to grow.

One...trick...pony.  Maybe better to compare it to AOL or something like that.  Not the whole internet. Grin

How is it one trick pony though?

Isn't it a currency, protocol, payment method, distributed ledger, all rolled into one.  The internet has some of the same qualities.  TCP/IP v4 anyone?  When is that getting replaced?   Tongue

Because the internet is useful in a multitude of ways.  Bitcoin just sends and receives Bitcoin.  Maybe comparing it to email would be better but even then, we're talking about pre-SMTP email because it can only send to one wallet type.  Bitcoin.  So it's like a pre-federated email.  I'm not knocking Bitcoin per se, just the reference to comparing it to the internet.  It will never be as useful in so many ways as the internet.  Even if you could dream up the ways, the blockchain could never handle it.  Better tech will arise from the proof-of-concept that Bitcoin is but Bitcoin will never be on an "internet" level of functionality and usefulness.  It's just a single currency/commodity with one main function.  I'm almost surprised this has to be explained.  Almost...
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April 02, 2014, 06:03:49 PM
#34
The title....how 'we' let this happen.....

What exactly has happened ?

Who are 'we' ?

Please do not state things like this and assume others just agree with you.

Price changes ?  Is that what you are worried about Huh   Really ?

The price of bitcoin has been changing for years.

It has been killed in the press and by so many 'experts' for years.

Yet the network hash rate is unreal.  I never , ever thought it could get this fast a few years ago ever in a thousand years.

So whatever 'you' think has 'happened' may be something that happened to 'you' or 'your belief'. 

If anything was happening people would not be mining.

The original concept of bitcoin is the key factor not any price.

I strongly suggest you read the original white paper. 

It is short and says a whole lot. 

You may feel differently if you take my advice.

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April 02, 2014, 05:57:37 PM
#33

Didn't Marc Andreesen also invest in Coinbase?  Didn't Marc Andreesen recently put the smackdown to Warren Buffett, in defense of Bitcoin.  Didn't the creator of Ripple, Jed McCaleb, leave Ripple to work on a secret Bitcoin project?  Isn't it year 5 of Bitcoin.  Didn't it take the Internet decades before it was finally widely adopted?

LOL sorry dude.  Ripple's not doing anything, Bitcoin's fine and always will be.  Just needs time to grow.

One...trick...pony.  Maybe better to compare it to AOL or something like that.  Not the whole internet. Grin

How is it one trick pony though?

Isn't it a currency, protocol, payment method, distributed ledger, all rolled into one.  The internet has some of the same qualities.  TCP/IP v4 anyone?  When is that getting replaced?   Tongue
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April 02, 2014, 05:53:51 PM
#32

Didn't Marc Andreesen also invest in Coinbase?  Didn't Marc Andreesen recently put the smackdown to Warren Buffett, in defense of Bitcoin.  Didn't the creator of Ripple, Jed McCaleb, leave Ripple to work on a secret Bitcoin project?  Isn't it year 5 of Bitcoin.  Didn't it take the Internet decades before it was finally widely adopted?

LOL sorry dude.  Ripple's not doing anything, Bitcoin's fine and always will be.  Just needs time to grow.

One...trick...pony.  Maybe better to compare Bitcoin to AOL or Yahoo or possibly even Pets.com or something like that.  Certainly not the whole internet.  Get serious. Grin
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April 02, 2014, 05:41:07 PM
#31
I've always found it comical that people try to compare Bitcoin to the internet.  The key difference between the two is, the internet is immensely useful.  Bitcoin, not so much.  Kind of a one trick pony in comparison.  Please stop, you just sound ridiculous.  

How old are you kid? Did you know that 10 years ago your Facebook, Skype or Twitter didn't exist? Did you know that most of us refused to change to Google cos Altavista was number 1 search engine? lol Did you know that 15 years ago the Internet was basically this?

Mark Andreessen, the very same man who put a browser in front of your face says the same: Bitcoin is like the early Internet. If you fail to see this, you clearly weren't there in the beginning of the net, when there was practically NOTHING built on top of TCP/IP. The "immensely useful" Internet that we know today was built by visionaries who believed in the future of the technology and were able to see practical applications for the tcp, http and www protocols

So now, stop saying non-sense... it's the short-sighted people like you who sound ridiculous....


You're partly right in that it would take advancement from the original 1.0 stuff to really make it useful. Probably why the same Marc Andreessen you speak of, has invested in Ripple.  Now, that's a technical advancement that has multi-purpose usefulness.  Bitcoin, not so much. Again I say, kind of a one trick pony, compared to the internet.  Roll Eyes

Didn't Marc Andreesen also invest in Coinbase?  Didn't Marc Andreesen recently put the smackdown to Warren Buffett, in defense of Bitcoin.  Didn't the creator of Ripple, Jed McCaleb, leave Ripple to work on a secret Bitcoin project?  Isn't it year 5 of Bitcoin.  Didn't it take the Internet decades before it was finally widely adopted?

LOL sorry dude.  Ripple's not doing anything, Bitcoin's fine and always will be.  Just needs time to grow.
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April 02, 2014, 05:27:01 PM
#30
I've always found it comical that people try to compare Bitcoin to the internet.  The key difference between the two is, the internet is immensely useful.  Bitcoin, not so much.  Kind of a one trick pony in comparison.  Please stop, you just sound ridiculous.  

How old are you kid? Did you know that 10 years ago your Facebook, Skype or Twitter didn't exist? Did you know that most of us refused to change to Google cos Altavista was number 1 search engine? lol Did you know that 15 years ago the Internet was basically this?

Mark Andreessen, the very same man who put a browser in front of your face says the same: Bitcoin is like the early Internet. If you fail to see this, you clearly weren't there in the beginning of the net, when there was practically NOTHING built on top of TCP/IP. The "immensely useful" Internet that we know today was built by visionaries who believed in the future of the technology and were able to see practical applications for the tcp, http and www protocols

So now, stop saying non-sense... it's the short-sighted people like you who sound ridiculous....


You're partly right in that it would take advancement from the original 1.0 stuff to really make it useful. Probably why the same Marc Andreessen you speak of, has invested in Ripple.  Now, that's a technical advancement that has multi-purpose usefulness.  Bitcoin, not so much. Again I say, kind of a one trick pony, compared to the internet.  Roll Eyes
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April 02, 2014, 05:13:05 PM
#29
I've always found it comical that people try to compare Bitcoin to the internet.  The key difference between the two is, the internet is immensely useful.  Bitcoin, not so much.  Kind of a one trick pony in comparison.  Please stop, you just sound ridiculous. 

How old are you kid? Did you know that 10 years ago your Facebook, Skype or Twitter didn't exist? Did you know that most of us refused to change to Google cos Altavista was number 1 search engine? lol Did you know that 15 years ago the Internet was basically this?




Mark Andreessen, the very same man who put a browser in front of your face says the same: Bitcoin is like the early Internet. If you fail to see this, you clearly weren't there in the beginning of the net, when there was practically NOTHING built on top of TCP/IP. The "immensely useful" Internet that we know today was built by visionaries who believed in the future of the technology and were able to see practical applications for the tcp, http and www protocols



The Fifth Protocol

So now, stop saying non-sense... it's the short-sighted people like you who sound ridiculous....
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April 02, 2014, 05:08:55 PM
#28
Bitcoin is on sale and people are complaining!   Shocked

Exactly, people are whining about cheap Bitcoins!  You could get close to 3 peak GOX coins at current prices.

You want in, now's the time.

Pre-China prices of around $100 sound better.  
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April 02, 2014, 04:57:31 PM
#27
Bitcoin is on sale and people are complaining!   Shocked

Exactly, people are whining about cheap Bitcoins!  You could get close to 3 peak GOX coins at current prices.

You want in, now's the time.
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April 02, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
#26
Now that the bubble is finally starting to collapse rapidly, i was pondering how we let this all happen...
What are the results of this 'experiment'/scam?
- A hand full of teens who are now multi millionaires.
- A whole lot of people that lost a whole lot of real money.

Even though we all got warned time and time again, by economists, professors and even a lot of libertarians, not to fall for the bitcoin.
How on earth was it possible that people spend $1200!!!! on literary NOTHING?! Is this pure greed or stupidity? What is going on here?

I feel bad for all the people who got victimized and i think some effort should be made to put the creators of this bubble behind bars, too many have been victimized to let this slide.

I still dont understand why Theymos allowed newbies in Bitcoin Discussion ?

So much this.
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April 02, 2014, 04:50:49 PM
#25

Bitcoin, just like the internet, is useless!!! ... After all, who the hell uses the internet today after that bubble that ripped off poor people!!??

Thanks for your wise words, oh, technology oracle. God bless you.  Grin

I've always found it comical that people try to compare Bitcoin to the internet.  The key difference between the two is, the internet is immensely useful.  Bitcoin, not so much.  Kind of a one trick pony in comparison.  Please stop, you just sound ridiculous. 
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