Topic: How do we get Gary Johnson 5% of the popular vote? (Read 3950 times)
gary finally reached $1 Million in donations, right now $1,016,300.17 raised from 12069 donors
So go out and get a liberty-minded individual elected at the local level, and then they will have a better chance of getting elected to a national level later.
The FSP has the right idea then:
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FREE STATE PROJECT: You have to give credit to the folks in the Free State Project. They have members on both sides of the ticket in at least one House race.
In Hillsborough 12, which represents Ward 5 in Manchester, Tim O’Flaherty is on the Democratic side of the ticket and Daniel Garthwaite is on the Republican side.
Garthwaite heads research for the board of directors of the NH Liberty Alliance. He and O’Flaherty live at the same Central Street address in Manchester.
On O’Flaherty’s Facebook page, he lists the Free State Project as one of his activities, and he has the website Stateless Governance.
O’Flaherty won the Democratic primary in a recount after initial results showed he had tied former Rep. Richard Komi.
O’Flaherty and Rep. Ted Rokas are the two Democrats in the race, while Garthwaite is the only Republican, so either Garthwaite or O’Flaherty will win a seat unless there is a write-in campaign.
Neither O’Flaherty nor Garthwaite could be reached for comment.
Don Manning, the chairman of the Manchester City Democrats, said he met with O’Flaherty after the primary and learned he was a big advocate of privacy. “He is concerned about government not overreaching into people’s personal lives,” Manning said.
They talked about labor issues and the need to work on legislation that pertains to the city.
“He was a pleasant young man,” Manning said. “It was a positive and upbeat conversation.”
In Hillsborough 12, which represents Ward 5 in Manchester, Tim O’Flaherty is on the Democratic side of the ticket and Daniel Garthwaite is on the Republican side.
Garthwaite heads research for the board of directors of the NH Liberty Alliance. He and O’Flaherty live at the same Central Street address in Manchester.
On O’Flaherty’s Facebook page, he lists the Free State Project as one of his activities, and he has the website Stateless Governance.
O’Flaherty won the Democratic primary in a recount after initial results showed he had tied former Rep. Richard Komi.
O’Flaherty and Rep. Ted Rokas are the two Democrats in the race, while Garthwaite is the only Republican, so either Garthwaite or O’Flaherty will win a seat unless there is a write-in campaign.
Neither O’Flaherty nor Garthwaite could be reached for comment.
Don Manning, the chairman of the Manchester City Democrats, said he met with O’Flaherty after the primary and learned he was a big advocate of privacy. “He is concerned about government not overreaching into people’s personal lives,” Manning said.
They talked about labor issues and the need to work on legislation that pertains to the city.
“He was a pleasant young man,” Manning said. “It was a positive and upbeat conversation.”
While Gary Johnson is the best candidate the Libertarians have had for president for a while, I will still be suprised if he gets over 2% of the vote.
What Libertarians should be doing is trying to work from the bottom up. While Rand Paul jumped in at the senate level, most people have to work their way up. Like Justin Amash, who moved from the Michigan state legislature up to the house of representatives. (And while those two are republicans, not libertarians, they are very libertarian in their positions)
So go out and get a liberty-minded individual elected at the local level, and then they will have a better chance of getting elected to a national level later.
What Libertarians should be doing is trying to work from the bottom up. While Rand Paul jumped in at the senate level, most people have to work their way up. Like Justin Amash, who moved from the Michigan state legislature up to the house of representatives. (And while those two are republicans, not libertarians, they are very libertarian in their positions)
So go out and get a liberty-minded individual elected at the local level, and then they will have a better chance of getting elected to a national level later.
What do you do when theres a massive boulder blocking the road ? You drive around it.
Dynamite?
What do you do when theres a massive boulder blocking the road ? You drive around it.
At some point you'd have to fight them, physically unless you stay completely beyond their radar until it is too late for them. Maybe our ideas of how to accomplish this are actually the same.
They're not far different.
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
There is a peaceful solution, but it sure won't get voted in.The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
granted, IF you get that far you have it.
However: You need to replace the whole infrastructure and given that case nations would no longer serve a purpose.
Not the whole infrastructure. Most of the structures are already in place, just not as powerful or well used as they would be in the end-goal AnCap society.
And what sort of "convincing" you think will be necessary to use any structure occupied or "owned" by the existing system?
Oh, you mean literal infrastructure? I thought you meant things like replacing the military with private security firms and such.
I see no reason to duplicate or replace literal infrastructure.... What were you specifically speaking of?
Everything from roads, railroad tracks, power lines, networks. And of course every kind of business with ties to the cronies.
You can't even get the regional governments under the people's control without black uniforms showing up.
At some point you'd have to fight them, physically unless you stay completely beyond their radar until it is too late for them. Maybe our ideas of how to accomplish this are actually the same.
I'd say do that what the Open Source Ecology guys are doing, couple it with mesh networks and decentralized power generation. Then set a distributed data-entry system on top of it use something like the Cargolifter Airships for distribution and wait for critical mass.
Declaring sovereignty might not even be necessary at that point and nations would turn out to be more of a burden to maintain, except maybe for ideologically reasons.
Persuading republicans in solidly democrat states and democrats in solidly republican states to vote libertarian is probably your best bet.
This should help... He's bound to agree with either side on some of the issues (not necessarily the same ones): http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
This should help... He's bound to agree with either side on some of the issues (not necessarily the same ones): http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
Actually in most solid rep or dem states this would work with BOTH SIDES. Take Maryland which is about 20% ahead for Obama.... It really does not matter WHICH side you are on, a vote for Gary Johnson will not change things. In Maryland it is almost in your interest to vote third party as neither side (dem/rep) pays you much attention at all.
This point was made in the other voting thread, and you're right. It should actually be pretty easy to get either side to switch, if you can get them to listen for long enough.
in other words, anyone with a brain
Persuading republicans in solidly democrat states and democrats in solidly republican states to vote libertarian is probably your best bet.
This should help... He's bound to agree with either side on some of the issues (not necessarily the same ones): http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
This should help... He's bound to agree with either side on some of the issues (not necessarily the same ones): http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
Actually in most solid rep or dem states this would work with BOTH SIDES. Take Maryland which is about 20% ahead for Obama.... It really does not matter WHICH side you are on, a vote for Gary Johnson will not change things. In Maryland it is almost in your interest to vote third party as neither side (dem/rep) pays you much attention at all.
This point was made in the other voting thread, and you're right. It should actually be pretty easy to get either side to switch, if you can get them to listen for long enough.
Persuading republicans in solidly democrat states and democrats in solidly republican states to vote libertarian is probably your best bet.
This should help... He's bound to agree with either side on some of the issues (not necessarily the same ones): http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
This should help... He's bound to agree with either side on some of the issues (not necessarily the same ones): http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
Actually in most solid rep or dem states this would work with BOTH SIDES. Take Maryland which is about 20% ahead for Obama.... It really does not matter WHICH side you are on, a vote for Gary Johnson will not change things. In Maryland it is almost in your interest to vote third party as neither side (dem/rep) pays you much attention at all.
I just wish Johnson would advertise the 5% goal more, it was a surprise when I heard it from Jim Gray. I guess they don't want to set the expectations low, but I think it gives them a better chance.
I spoke too soon: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150932807624364&set=a.175035499363.104403.165297924363&type=1&theater
get gary johnson on TMZ
+1
anyone see the youtube stories of a news station testing their airing of election results?
99% precincts reporting; 43% obama, 40% romney
You American "alternative" thinkers make my head hurt.
If you want another system engage in an effort to create another system where voting for a third party actually counts for something. Yes I know that is easier said than done and cannot be obtained using the existing system. You are living under some sort of superiority complex about your granted rights while at same time you are worse off than every European.
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
If you want another system engage in an effort to create another system where voting for a third party actually counts for something. Yes I know that is easier said than done and cannot be obtained using the existing system. You are living under some sort of superiority complex about your granted rights while at same time you are worse off than every European.
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
+1
anyone see the youtube stories of a news station testing their airing of election results?
99% precincts reporting; 43% obama, 40% romney
Persuading republicans in solidly democrat states and democrats in solidly republican states to vote libertarian is probably your best bet.
This. Know the person you are talking to, and you can get them on at least one of Gary Johnson's views. They won't likely agree with everything about him, but there will probably one side that will intrigue them.
For people who are completely disillusioned with libertarianism in general, they will still probably support 3rd party support and electoral reform (which is never going to happen without significant 3rd party percentages).
I think that telling people about the 5% goal gets them very excited, because it seems doable but requires fighting for every vote. So many people don't vote because they don't think it makes a difference, because they aren't the one deciding vote (which is a stupid premise in my opinion), but are intrigued about helping him get 5%.
Another thing, 5% is significant enough people will see that Romney and Obama didn't add up close to 100%, I think this could get some media coverage along with the money and ballot access.
I just wish Johnson would advertise the 5% goal more, it was a surprise when I heard it from Jim Gray. I guess they don't want to set the expectations low, but I think it gives them a better chance.
I've been pretty impressed with Gary Johnson. He seems like a candidate who could conceivably win a presidential election someday. He's a great public speaker, and his views are more mainstream than other libertarians (like myself) without being so mainstream that I am at all bothered by his views. So I've decided to vote for him instead of not voting. I don't believe in democracy and I don't have much hope that voting will do any good, but it won't hurt.
I'm in a swing state, but I don't care whether Romney or Obama wins.
I'm in a swing state, but I don't care whether Romney or Obama wins.
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
There is a peaceful solution, but it sure won't get voted in.The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
granted, IF you get that far you have it.
However: You need to replace the whole infrastructure and given that case nations would no longer serve a purpose.
Not the whole infrastructure. Most of the structures are already in place, just not as powerful or well used as they would be in the end-goal AnCap society.
And what sort of "convincing" you think will be necessary to use any structure occupied or "owned" by the existing system?
Oh, you mean literal infrastructure? I thought you meant things like replacing the military with private security firms and such.
I see no reason to duplicate or replace literal infrastructure.... What were you specifically speaking of?
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
There is a peaceful solution, but it sure won't get voted in.The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
granted, IF you get that far you have it.
However: You need to replace the whole infrastructure and given that case nations would no longer serve a purpose.
Not the whole infrastructure. Most of the structures are already in place, just not as powerful or well used as they would be in the end-goal AnCap society.
And what sort of "convincing" you think will be necessary to use any structure occupied or "owned" by the existing system?
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
There is a peaceful solution, but it sure won't get voted in.The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
granted, IF you get that far you have it.
However: You need to replace the whole infrastructure and given that case nations would no longer serve a purpose.
Not the whole infrastructure. Most of the structures are already in place, just not as powerful or well used as they would be in the end-goal AnCap society.
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
There is a peaceful solution, but it sure won't get voted in.The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
granted, IF you get that far you have it.
However: You need to replace the whole infrastructure and given that case nations would no longer serve a purpose.
You American "alternative" thinkers make my head hurt.
If you want another system engage in an effort to create another system where voting for a third party actually counts for something. Yes I know that is easier said than done and cannot be obtained using the existing system. You are living under some sort of superiority complex about your granted rights while at same time you are worse off than every European.
You had me right up until here.If you want another system engage in an effort to create another system where voting for a third party actually counts for something. Yes I know that is easier said than done and cannot be obtained using the existing system. You are living under some sort of superiority complex about your granted rights while at same time you are worse off than every European.
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
There is a peaceful solution, but it sure won't get voted in. The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
You American "alternative" thinkers make my head hurt.
If you want another system engage in an effort to create another system where voting for a third party actually counts for something. Yes I know that is easier said than done and cannot be obtained using the existing system. You are living under some sort of superiority complex about your granted rights while at same time you are worse off than every European.
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
If you want another system engage in an effort to create another system where voting for a third party actually counts for something. Yes I know that is easier said than done and cannot be obtained using the existing system. You are living under some sort of superiority complex about your granted rights while at same time you are worse off than every European.
There is no "peaceful" solution for this.
The sooner you riot the more chances will your kids get.
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