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February 08, 2016, 03:05:16 AM
#76
Excellent post. Now for laughs you should go find some of the threads that talk up how simple and convenient it is to use BTC especially compared to all the other methods of monetary exchange.

How to pay a hooker:

1. Put $200 in an envelope
2. Meet, greet, put the envelope on the counter
3. Do your business and leave when done

Completely anonymous, transaction occurs immediately, no record kept anywhere, no exchange needed. Cash can be then spent anywhere, immediately.

Inconvenient?
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cryptoqueen
February 07, 2016, 05:28:47 PM
#75
A couple years back this would have a lot easier as it would have been nearly legal for girls or guys to accept BTC in exchange for sex.  After the Silk Road issues, it is now nearly useless for them, other than they would not have to carry the cash on them.

Again, this is uninformed. Sex workers are more likely to be interested because of how already-existing payment methods discriminate against them.
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cryptoqueen
February 07, 2016, 05:28:02 PM
#74
I don't think this is something one can get people to adopt, at least not in this sense. Once it becomes more widespread for common people, it will be a natural step that sex workers start to accept cryptos are methods of receiving for their services.


Sex workers I think need it more than common folks because of how often other payment methods freeze their services (Despite their own ceos using funds to pay professionals)  Roll Eyes
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cryptoqueen
February 07, 2016, 05:26:58 PM
#73
This type of threads is a clear sign of the current decadency of this forum. I have always thought that when someone does not have a good idea to share, it is better to remain silent with dignity.


@angaper, don't blame the guy for coming up with such thread. Coming up with the right idea is difficult this day so, posting anything that comes to mind is an alternative in order to increase his activities on this forum Cry

There are so many reasons to  Roll Eyes this train...
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February 07, 2016, 05:04:30 PM
#72
i wouldnt be impressed if they are already using it, i mean its anonymous and helpful to do such things so i believe that they already got into it though thats just my opinion
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February 07, 2016, 04:19:19 PM
#71
Sex workers won't accept bitcoin anytime soon. If they were so smart as to understand bitcoin they wouldn't be sex workers in the first place.
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February 07, 2016, 03:48:44 PM
#70
With a XAPO wallet you can cash out your BTC. So that couldn't be the problem like some people telling here.
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February 07, 2016, 03:46:00 PM
#69
I mean, it makes sense right? Lots of transactions, they can teach their clients. I started a resource here as a good step.

But what are some other ways?

We need to make it very easy to get in and out of bitcoin and right now it is too difficult for people who need the cash immediately to buy food or pay for their babies formula.  There are many companies working on this and it will come soon. 

Exactly, I don't even know where should I begin selling my BTC (I'm not looking to do it but still). It's increible complicated just to buy it, a complete hassle for the common person, to sell it it's even more difficult. It's not like you go to an ATM or a supermarket and you convert your BTC into fiat, people here are deluded and thinking Bitcoin is everywhere, it's only used or known from a very small percentage, far from being widespread so there are no actual reliable services in place.
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February 07, 2016, 02:03:17 PM
#68
I don't think this is something one can get people to adopt, at least not in this sense. Once it becomes more widespread for common people, it will be a natural step that sex workers start to accept cryptos are methods of receiving for their services.
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February 07, 2016, 01:58:38 PM
#67
I mean, it makes sense right? Lots of transactions, they can teach their clients. I started a resource here as a good step.

But what are some other ways?

We need to make it very easy to get in and out of bitcoin and right now it is too difficult for people who need the cash immediately to buy food or pay for their babies formula.  There are many companies working on this and it will come soon. 
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February 07, 2016, 01:51:05 PM
#66
What is difference for them dollar vs bitcoin if they can spend it?
If we talk about sex industry, they could be the first adopting it..
Everything for pleasure of customers and for their dollars..

Not sure how it works every where but there is a high tendency for these escorts to use apartments/condos that they share between a group. They slot in the time and can meet johns at these destinations. Now one issue that could rise up,so to speak,would be sharing a internet connection and say a savy neighbor tapping in and exploiting the connection. Or another escort jacking in to others as they make transactions.
We have a problem with the pimps also being in the other room sometimes waiting to rob,so bitcoin would make it so much easier for them to pull this off.
One the john has to explain to the police he was paying for services and then has to explain bitcoin. I see that as a huge issue for the industry.
Cops are always a few steps behind when it comes to this stuff.
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February 07, 2016, 06:51:52 AM
#65
What is difference for them dollar vs bitcoin if they can spend it?
If we talk about sex industry, they could be the first adopting it..
Everything for pleasure of customers and for their dollars..
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February 07, 2016, 12:20:25 AM
#64
You can try to explain how bitcoins work and show them the money from the bitcoin Sex worker they just need money if show them how bitcoin work i think they will be interest in bitcoin. But the problem is how they can earn it? or they can use online cam to cam and offer their body and payment is bitcoin for their show?
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February 07, 2016, 12:07:36 AM
#63
Many Bitcoiners here really seem to be living in a fish bowl. No average person will go to all the hassle that is to get Bitcoins, it's just something we nerds do or people really tech savvy. First to get Bitcoin easily you need to have a Credit Card or a Bank, so that defeats the whole purpose in the first step. Another way would be Localbitcoins? Gimme a break, who would do that in this day an age, meeting a stranger on the street so you can scan a qr code or get raped, or both! Just to get some weird virtual coins, get real.

Bitcoin is a unique technology and completely innovative, the internet of currency indeed. But it's time for many to admit that many applications in the real world are just not easy, comfortable or friendly. That's why the adoption rate from the rest of the population is so low, we are all traders, speculators and investors here.
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February 06, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
#62
I think this service is started, online webcam sex chat xotica is going with bitcoin as payment, even this site is running signature campaign to promote their site about bitcoins as payment for the girls with whom you can have a online cam and if the same if sex workers will also start taking bitcoins as payment option.                                                                                                                
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February 06, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
#61
Cashing out may be dicey as well. Limiting them to atms and person to person transfers. A John could creep on them and establish a link to how many clients they are seeing. Might get shocked that she/he is seeing more than just them in a week and want to revenge for broken fantasy.
Have to think that as a escort you are going to be over scrutinized if say you are robbed in a person to person transfer.
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February 06, 2016, 03:15:29 PM
#60
A couple years back this would have a lot easier as it would have been nearly legal for girls or guys to accept BTC in exchange for sex.  After the Silk Road issues, it is now nearly useless for them, other than they would not have to carry the cash on them.
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February 06, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
#59
Nothing like having a transaction list for police to go over if they want to push the person out of the State/Province or in court.
Add in the fact that a lot of escorts work for pimps in one form or another who would not want to have all of this listed out for the escort.

Say she/he is being strung out on drugs for the sole purpose of them not knowing how many people they service. They could look at the addy and realize it was a lot more than 30 dudes in that bukake session.
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February 06, 2016, 03:04:40 PM
#58
You sig spammers and your shallow statements. "Bad PR?"  Cry That's the absolute last thing honey badger gives a shit about! Grin

Read "Only the Black Market Matters" by Justus Ranvier, he really nails it: "Anyone who isn’t actively working to expand and empower the informal economy is wasting their time."

No need to be offensive, actually both sides have arguments, sadly in this forum there are a lot of black and white people and that's what stops Bitcoin grow. I do agree with the article you mentioned to a certain extent, however we can't live in that utopia, at least those of us who run businesses and have credit cards because well, you can't basically exist without regulation, you are limited in many ways by the government and that's sad but just as you don't hand over your house keys to a homeless person, the government does its job in protecting itself too.

Bitcoin has without a doubt a bad image for the average person but not only that, it's very hard to adopt for non tech savvy people, for me those are huge barriers if we truly want a new currency, or perhaps you want it to be controlled by the elite alone?

Saying black and white thinking stops Bitcoin's growth is itself a black and white statement and also false; Bitcoin is growing nicely.

I think you should re-read the article. People in the informal economy are by definition doing unregulated business. They're people like street vendors selling snacks for cash or labourers who do handyman work for cash. Drugs and prostitution are a very small slice of this pie, terrorism funding is an even tinier slice (if it currently exists at all). However, controversial goods and services are justifications for governments to attempt to control the entire informal economy. Many governments are working on banning cash so that all transactions must go through the banks, to be "properly" taxed and regulated. Not only will this enrich the state, expanding their warmaking and surveillance capabilities, but it will put many of these marginal workers out of business and into poverty.

It's essential that Bitcoin be able to take the place of cash, if or when it's banned, lest we all end up living in some tyrannical dystopia. There's nothing elitist in wanting currency which can be used by anyone, for any purpose. Prostitution and drug sales are only a small part of the tremendous personal freedom which Bitcoin offers. You can't stop Bitcoin being used for such purposes without destroying Bitcoin, so find a way to tolerate such victimless "crimes." Forget about the disapproval of the traditional media, who often serve the purposes of government.

Like the article points out, there are now (or soon will be) more people employed by the informal economy than the regulated one. That people like sex-workers are actively adopting Bitcoin, despite its "bad PR" and technical complexity, is very encouraging for Bitcoin's future success and for individual liberty.

Bitcoin can most definitely be censored or declared illegal by any government and I wouldn't be surprised because if I were the government I wouldn't like a side currency that I can't control really, same as avoiding taxes if you ask me, that's how it all works. That would be the end of Bitcoin real quick if the punishment is as harsh as selling drugs for example, no one would touch it. I understand where are you coming though, I always thought Bitcoin would flourish in those markets, porn, gambling, etc, where no registration and instant deposits is a must but I just don't feel it worked. People still use CCs, Paypal or other payment systems, they just don't need Bitcoin and it's a hassle to get into for the average person, that's the bottomline that many can't seem to admit.

It's a thing to declare it illegal.
It's even possible to stop website exchange for example.

But it won't stop btc transaction! You'll always be able to buy or sell btc with cash!

They can try to hunt btc but they can't just forbid it.
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February 06, 2016, 02:56:14 PM
#57
You sig spammers and your shallow statements. "Bad PR?"  Cry That's the absolute last thing honey badger gives a shit about! Grin

Read "Only the Black Market Matters" by Justus Ranvier, he really nails it: "Anyone who isn’t actively working to expand and empower the informal economy is wasting their time."

No need to be offensive, actually both sides have arguments, sadly in this forum there are a lot of black and white people and that's what stops Bitcoin grow. I do agree with the article you mentioned to a certain extent, however we can't live in that utopia, at least those of us who run businesses and have credit cards because well, you can't basically exist without regulation, you are limited in many ways by the government and that's sad but just as you don't hand over your house keys to a homeless person, the government does its job in protecting itself too.

Bitcoin has without a doubt a bad image for the average person but not only that, it's very hard to adopt for non tech savvy people, for me those are huge barriers if we truly want a new currency, or perhaps you want it to be controlled by the elite alone?

Saying black and white thinking stops Bitcoin's growth is itself a black and white statement and also false; Bitcoin is growing nicely.

I think you should re-read the article. People in the informal economy are by definition doing unregulated business. They're people like street vendors selling snacks for cash or labourers who do handyman work for cash. Drugs and prostitution are a very small slice of this pie, terrorism funding is an even tinier slice (if it currently exists at all). However, controversial goods and services are justifications for governments to attempt to control the entire informal economy. Many governments are working on banning cash so that all transactions must go through the banks, to be "properly" taxed and regulated. Not only will this enrich the state, expanding their warmaking and surveillance capabilities, but it will put many of these marginal workers out of business and into poverty.

It's essential that Bitcoin be able to take the place of cash, if or when it's banned, lest we all end up living in some tyrannical dystopia. There's nothing elitist in wanting currency which can be used by anyone, for any purpose. Prostitution and drug sales are only a small part of the tremendous personal freedom which Bitcoin offers. You can't stop Bitcoin being used for such purposes without destroying Bitcoin, so find a way to tolerate such victimless "crimes." Forget about the disapproval of the traditional media, who often serve the purposes of government.

Like the article points out, there are now (or soon will be) more people employed by the informal economy than the regulated one. That people like sex-workers are actively adopting Bitcoin, despite its "bad PR" and technical complexity, is very encouraging for Bitcoin's future success and for individual liberty.

Bitcoin can most definitely be censored or declared illegal by any government and I wouldn't be surprised because if I were the government I wouldn't like a side currency that I can't control really, same as avoiding taxes if you ask me, that's how it all works. That would be the end of Bitcoin real quick if the punishment is as harsh as selling drugs for example, no one would touch it. I understand where are you coming though, I always thought Bitcoin would flourish in those markets, porn, gambling, etc, where no registration and instant deposits is a must but I just don't feel it worked. People still use CCs, Paypal or other payment systems, they just don't need Bitcoin and it's a hassle to get into for the average person, that's the bottomline that many can't seem to admit.
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