How do we know that the CIA didn't get to Satoshi?

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Quote from: AliceWonderMiscreations on March 07, 2017, 07:16:52 PM

It doesn't matter but I've always suspected that Satoshi WAS the CIA or NSA.

Under the US constitution, they are not allowed to mint money, so they would have to start a project like bitcoin covertly. A project like bitcoin however gives them the ability to pay operatives in other countries without congressional oversight and with minimal risk to the operatives getting caught by the government being spied upon following the money.

But if that was the case, why they will create bitcoin, where every transaction can be traced very easily?, why they did not create something like monero in the first place? Remember that Tor was created by some agencies of the US government so they know a thing or two about hiding their traces.

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It doesn't matter but I've always suspected that Satoshi WAS the CIA or NSA.

Under the US constitution, they are not allowed to mint money, so they would have to start a project like bitcoin covertly. A project like bitcoin however gives them the ability to pay operatives in other countries without congressional oversight and with minimal risk to the operatives getting caught by the government being spied upon following the money.

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At that time when Satoshi left nothing suggested that Bitcoin will become that highly successful cryptocurrency we know today.
We are assuming and base our information on what we know today that Satoshi is an important part of that machine.
But for CIA or some other government agency to realize greatness of Satoshi at that time and therefore eliminate him (why?) is rather unlikely.

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There is no way way we will know because we don't even know who Satoshi is to verify if the persoin they gotto is actually him and if they got to him, the question is did he do anything illegal by creating an ingenious project like bitcoin? Which I am sure is on the contrary. Another way again to look at it is that if they haven't gotten to him, then he must be really good at keeping safe because even the most dreaded set of people they were found by CIA...

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Quote from: Catmony on March 05, 2017, 07:18:15 AM

Quote from: Blawpaw on March 05, 2017, 07:00:37 AM

There is so much speculation around the subject that you can even argue that CIA is Satoshi. And if they are not, in the event of them getting to satoshi, wouldn´t they be having access to his BTC wallets and dump all the coins???

They will auction those bitcoin out rather than dumping them on exchangers, they are known to do this. However satoshi will not hand over his private keys to them even if he get caught.

that's why I like satoshi, I mean we don't even know who satoshi is, but as the history has shown we can trust him completely as we know that he will always do what is the best for bitcoin. If he was concentrated on himself only then he would have dumped the bitcoins a long time ago and lived his rich life. Besides that we cannot be sure that he is still alive, can we? No one knows what might have happened in those 9 years...

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We do not know but if the CIA got into satoshi, wouldn't they announce it to the world. That would put some fear to some of the bitcoiners if they know that satoshi was caught and being held by the CIA. But maybe they also know that they cannot stop bitcoin anymore, and if they succeed, it will just be replaced by another cryptocurrency, so they stopped tracking satoshi.

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Quote from: South Park on March 07, 2017, 03:10:32 PM

Quote from: bitbunnny on March 05, 2017, 02:20:09 PM

Another conspiracy theory. I suppose that is so because Satoshy and his work are sorounded with so much mistery and so few informations and that attrats people and such stories. Personaly I don't think CIA is very much interested in Satoshi, they have bigger problems and more important things to do.

I don't know about that, since bitcoin is satoshis creation it will not farfetched to think that at some point some governments will try to push every single crime committed with bitcoin to his creator by using the law or creating some laws that makes him guilty and they begin to search for him.

If there is a strong effort to find him, he will be find. But I don't think CIA will do it, as was said, they have bigger problems to solve than "kill" a Crypto-Currency creator. At least for now Crypto-Currency doesn't affect the world a lot, few people in the world are using it.

But some governments are already hunting Bitcoin enthusiasts, not USA, but dictatorial countries like Venezuela where BTC miners were arrested and North Korea where people can't access fully internet (I'm not sure, but I believe they don't access any content on the internet).

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Quote from: bitbunnny on March 05, 2017, 02:20:09 PM

Another conspiracy theory. I suppose that is so because Satoshy and his work are sorounded with so much mistery and so few informations and that attrats people and such stories. Personaly I don't think CIA is very much interested in Satoshi, they have bigger problems and more important things to do.

I don't know about that, since bitcoin is satoshis creation it will not farfetched to think that at some point some governments will try to push every single crime committed with bitcoin to his creator by using the law or creating some laws that makes him guilty and they begin to search for him.

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Another conspiracy theory. I suppose that is so because Satoshy and his work are sorounded with so much mistery and so few informations and that attrats people and such stories. Personaly I don't think CIA is very much interested in Satoshi, they have bigger problems and more important things to do.

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CIA I am sure couldn't get to Satoshi. At that time the matter was not so big as it is now. Surely Satoshi have hid his identity extremely well and still today no one knows where or who he is. Even if the CIA could get to Satoshi what would they gain, absolutely nothing as Satoshi made all of his work public. A big thank to Satoshi for creating a decentralized money who will save a lot of lives in the future from the banks tyranny.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on March 04, 2017, 11:33:59 AM

Quote from: Brandsen on March 04, 2017, 11:17:05 AM

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We all know that Satoshi disappeared after Gavin talked to the CIA...

It is mostly assumed (I think) that Satoshi left the project voluntarily..

But how do we know that the CIA didn't get to him first?

We don't.

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Is it not plausible that the CIA was successful in tracking him down?

Not very plausible, no, as Satoshi probably used hid his IP very well, etc... so they would have nothing to go on.

In any case, even if they did, so what?

Agreed that we don't know that the CIA get into him. Actually, we can't since we don't even know who Satoshi Nakamoto really is.
And who would not hide his IP very well after creating a massive coin.

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Quote from: Blawpaw on March 05, 2017, 07:00:37 AM

There is so much speculation around the subject that you can even argue that CIA is Satoshi. And if they are not, in the event of them getting to satoshi, wouldn´t they be having access to his BTC wallets and dump all the coins???

How can they confiscate an asset and sell them off without the permission of the owner and he did not do anything illegal to confiscate in the first place and if they do that it is against the laws without a doubt ,who knows whether the initial coins are still in the hands of satoshi may be he destroyed the private keys. We can only know about that in the future if at all if it moves.

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Quote from: mobnepal on March 05, 2017, 06:44:39 AM

Quote from: Brandsen on March 04, 2017, 11:17:05 AM

Is it not plausible that the CIA was successful in tracking him down?

Nobody knows that but even if they have tracked him or even caught him, that will not make any sense because neither CIA nor FBI can shut the whole bitcoin down. There is nothing to worry about this issue but i am quite sure that satoshi is very good at hiding his identity.

The NSA is very capable of tracking your internet activity, however since satoshi may not have been targeted specifically at the time it is possible he could avoid monitoring by following strict measures to keep himself hid, if he did, then the only thing needed is for him to avoid using any of his old account and to never try to reveal himself to the world.

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Quote from: NoiseBoy on March 05, 2017, 12:15:22 PM

If they could get the Dread Pirate Roberts, they can get anyone; however, it's most likely he was just spooked and decided to disappear.

I've long thought a journalist with sufficient time and resources would be well rewarded by looking through obituaries of IT personnel. It seems like no one ever considers the possibility that Satoshi was some middle-aged guy with high blood pressure and an unhealthy diet who had an unexpected heart attack and died without leaving anyone sufficient instructions to access his accounts & wallets.

Ross Ulbricht was arrested in San Francisco

I'd be very curious to see how they would get him if he had settled in, say, Beijing and naturalized there as a Chinese citizen. Regarding Satoshi unexpectedly passing away, I often make such remarks myself, but this is a dead end obviously in any sense of the phrase. It is more interesting to speculate that he is still alive and simply hiding in some forest hut keeping away from the public eye

Or just rotting in one of the numerous secret CIA prisons somewhere in Poland or Thailand

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If they could get the Dread Pirate Roberts, they can get anyone; however, it's most likely he was just spooked and decided to disappear.

I've long thought a journalist with sufficient time and resources would be well rewarded by looking through obituaries of IT personnel. It seems like no one ever considers the possibility that Satoshi was some middle-aged guy with high blood pressure and an unhealthy diet who had an unexpected heart attack and died without leaving anyone sufficient instructions to access his accounts & wallets.

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Quote from: Catmony on March 05, 2017, 07:18:15 AM

Quote from: Blawpaw on March 05, 2017, 07:00:37 AM

There is so much speculation around the subject that you can even argue that CIA is Satoshi. And if they are not, in the event of them getting to satoshi, wouldn´t they be having access to his BTC wallets and dump all the coins???

They will auction those bitcoin out rather than dumping them on exchangers, they are known to do this. However satoshi will not hand over his private keys to them even if he get caught

Die-hard conspiracy theory theorists would certainly argue over that point

If I were one them (not that I ain't, just a disclaimer), I would definitely claim that they specifically don't dump these confiscated bitcoins on exchanges because they are auctioning them to themselves using dummy wallets. Obviously, selling so many bitcoins in the open market would likely cause the price to crash heavily, but when they are auctioning the coins. they can set an arbitrary price as they see fit since they are just shifting money from one their pocket to another. With Satoshi's satoshi they don't even need to do that since no one knows that they are already theirs (at least, so says the conspiracy theory)

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Quote from: Blawpaw on March 05, 2017, 07:00:37 AM

There is so much speculation around the subject that you can even argue that CIA is Satoshi. And if they are not, in the event of them getting to satoshi, wouldn´t they be having access to his BTC wallets and dump all the coins???

They will auction those bitcoin out rather than dumping them on exchangers, they are known to do this. However satoshi will not hand over his private keys to them even if he get caught.

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There is so much speculation around the subject that you can even argue that CIA is Satoshi. And if they are not, in the event of them getting to satoshi, wouldn´t they be having access to his BTC wallets and dump all the coins???

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Quote from: Brandsen on March 04, 2017, 11:17:05 AM

Is it not plausible that the CIA was successful in tracking him down?

Nobody knows that but even if they have tracked him or even caught him, that will not make any sense because neither CIA nor FBI can shut the whole bitcoin down. There is nothing to worry about this issue but i am quite sure that satoshi is very good at hiding his identity.

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in my immagination satoshi is someone like unabomber, an anti system man living in the forests
but my questions is, what is the proof he is alive?

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